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The Magic-Flight Box

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.

  1. KidFated.

    KidFated. Watch your pawking metaws.

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    Non screened tray, if its not wet/sticky maybe try straight in te trench

    Report back!
     
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  2. axakal

    axakal Well-Known Member

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    i promise, i will. :) i probably will not try it straight in the trench, since i'm affraid of messing it up. it has a plasticine like consistency.

     
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  3. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member

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    I'd use the unscreened tray and either flatten it as flat as pos so it covers the tray or break into tiny little peices. Fill it as much as you wan but remember it mostly vapes via conduction so it must be in contact with the tray.
     
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  4. axakal

    axakal Well-Known Member

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    a silly question, but how do i know, it's vaped before reaching combustion? i guess, the only way to notice is, when it starts to taste and smell combusted, right?

     
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  5. KidFated.

    KidFated. Watch your pawking metaws.

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    Ash. Fire. Black is the beginning. @OF
     
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  6. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member

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    Ah now that's the problem! I've never managed to light a cherry when vaping hash but it's almost impossible to tell when to stop as it just gives off more vapour/smoke until it becomes something resembling dusty coal.

    Now I generally drain a whole battery and just stop when I taste the acrid flavour coming through. Although if you do push to "combustion" then you won't find much difference, other than flavour, to the early hits.

    I'm sure if you have the PA you might be able to find a sweet spot but other than that its guesswork (hopefully someone might enlighten us).

    Enjoy your testing!
     
  7. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    I've noticed two levels of combustion occur in my LB. One type is where some material gets blackened and you can taste the smokiness to it; the taste is very acrid to me and unmistakable. This doesn't produce a visible cherry but you can taste where the vapor turns into smoke. The second one is more spectacular, with a red glow that slowly starts to turn bigger in the trench. Sometimes if the conditions are right you can even get a little fire tornado in there :D

    They both suck and whenever it happens I clean the trench out and lightly brush it up with 99% ISO and then dry burn it a bit. You'll notice that the taste is still there, and it will be for a little bit depending on how bad it was. Sometimes it'll go away after a few trenches, sometimes it won't be gone until almost a dozen. I break the water piece out and get more diffusion for those trenches to help offset the taste. After it goes away though I can go back to using it native with no issues.

    The power adapter helps as well, though it's not necessary to avoid combustion. I used my LB for a long time with only batteries and even after getting the PA still used batteries a lot and had few incidents of combustion. I've also crisped a number of trenches because I would forget that I took out the o-ring and set it down somewhere and the battery would make contact and go off :doh: I stuck to permanently keeping it in as I don't trust myself enough not to forget, especially with what I'm vaping :ko:
     
  8. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this observation, but don't think we can really call the first combustion. The general definition of combustion involves converting hydrocarbons to water (vapor) and CO2 by combining with Oxygen in the air. This process liberates lots of energy, which causes the reaction to get stronger and 'run away'. In the first case, which I think is simple over cooking ('burning') dropping the battery (but keeping pulling) kills the action, not so in the second case (true combustion) where once started all it needs is more air.

    Whatever is going on, I recommend avoiding it......unless you like coughing like a fool and getting all red?

    OF
     
  9. GenYHippie

    GenYHippie Well-Known Member

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    YAY looks like my box should be here tomorow according to USPS :D!

    ETA: Since its arrival is imminent i wanted to ask when you remove the battery does the trench cool quickly? For my solo when i am done i take out the stem right away and cap it off on both ends to not loose the meds. When i leave it in i dont get nearly as much use out of a bowl. Is it likely i will need to empty my trench or is it generally ok to sit in there?
     
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  10. horst

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    I also reach this point sometimes. But I have a feeling that you can tell by the amount of vapor when this point is nearly reached. It seems to me that the vapor amount reaches its peak 3 or 4 draws before this acrid taste occurs and then rapidly decreases over the next draws with the same timing.
     
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  11. davesmith

    davesmith Well-Known Member

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    Well said OF with the unscreened tray I find the first type of over cooking common but never actual combustion. If I were to combust a bowl of said hash I would be left with white ash not black dusty rocks.

    And @GenYHippie yes the trench cools almost immediately so your weed will be preserved nicely, no worries.
     
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  12. GenYHippie

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    Thank you @davesmith :) great to know. I figure if i play with it and i like it i will get a second one to leave in my purse and it would be very nice not to have to carry extra jars.
     
  13. axakal

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    ok, i tried the hash in the unscreened tray, with the PA and the bong attached. the taste was a nice change. really enjoyed it. there were some nicely visible clouds to report, too. the color turned dark, but when heated it's still sticky and the taste didn't got unpleasant yet. so i guess, there are still some goodies left in it. i stayed on the middle level of the PA. next time i will probably try the highest and i will also try to make the layer of hash as thin as possible. all in all a really pleasant experience, that i can only recommend.

     
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  14. horst

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    morning glory

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  15. GenYHippie

    GenYHippie Well-Known Member

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    Nice set up!
     
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  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Excellent observation. Compelling evidence there that 'something different happened'.

    Thanks.

    Very nice indeed. The wooden box and glass vials with corks really makes it IMO. I also love the labels. Not to second guess the effort, but how about cutting short pieces of wooden tongue depressors (and drilling a hole) to make wooden tags to stick the labels on? Maybe even use 'hemp wick' to remain topical?

    In a way it's like the old joke about the priest from a poor church that can't afford greens fees but loves golf, so he climbs over the fence late at night to play for free......and hits a hole in one.......you can't go showing it off to everyone......

    Anyway, fun setup, thanks for the photo.

    OF
     
  17. horst

    horst Well-Known Member

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    The labels gettin worser the closer you get, for the next batch i'll make them half the size and I don't like the glossy look at all. I thought about thicker, already colored paper but I really like the idea with the tongue depressors, thanks for the inspiration.
    Never knew hemp wick until now also, i already saw it sometimes used by a toker but wasn't curios enough to find out what it is. Will take a look at it if stumble upon it one day.

    Hehe, don't know exactly what you wanted to point out, but in terms of the story i feel like i'm already used to play golf at night-times when nobody watches. Just fell in love with my new set of clubs and want to treat and store them appropiate if that makes sense.

    Tanks :)
     
  18. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're very welcome, fun project, thanks for sharing (good folks behind monitors around the world are enjoying it). Next you should get a Vapman and really go nuts.....

    You might look for Hempwick. It's basically 100% hemp string impregnated with wax. A truly 'funky, organic' way to fire your pipe. But IMO using hemp string to tie the wooden labels on would be way cool.

    A work (of art) in progress. Thanks again for sharing. This Forum is great, in case you missed that part........

    The point is, like the priest who 'stole' from the course you have to be very careful about who you share the exciting news with.

    As Bill Cosby once said, "when you have to explain them, they're pretty bad".

    OF
     
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  19. caves

    caves Living the vape life

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    Vapor production stops pretty quickly after the battery is disengaged. I just make sure to leave some lung space at the end of my draw, then let the battery out and continue inhaling until no more vapor is being produced (usually 2-3 seconds). After that you can let it sit for as long as you want and come back to it whenever with no loss of herb.
     
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  20. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    Yep, @caves has it right, one of the things I love about the LB is that the material is only being heated when you engage the battery, and remains warm for a very short time after. At worst it stays warm for ~5 seconds. I've dumped some stuff out onto the palm of my hand and felt the heat where I put it, but it didn't burn me or anything and the heat quickly dissipated. Turns out plant material isn't very good at retaining heat ;) And yeah, another bonus point of the LB is that it turns on and off as fast as you can push and release the battery. I keep mine packed and go to it when I want a few quick hits to boost the high, or when I don't have the time to get my Solo out and set everything up (water path, material, which stem to get, etc). Think I'll have to get a few grams of kief next time I go to the dispensary and just keep my LB packed with that instead :tup:
     
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  21. GenYHippie

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    Awesome thank you. I know for sure i cant inhale that much right now so im pretty sure once i heat it up i can stop there and just inhale whats in the chamber. Glad to know its not a waster :)

    Glad to hear it @Quetzalcoatl ! I think my only concern about it now is getting too medicated while i figure out my timing. Im super sensitive to that so i will probably start using it at night so if i do over do it i can just roll over and try to sleep instead

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    My 4/20 sale MFLB has arrived!
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    ETA 2 - Ok ive been having fun playing with it while its empty :p. I was expecting it to be small but the draw stem is so tiny! No airflow issues though excited to get some herb in it tonight :)
     
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  22. kente777

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    Where did y get that tray?!!! Nice
     
  23. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Looks like a miniature bread box opened up
     
  24. horst

    horst Well-Known Member

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    Have fun and take it easy with your first approaches. :tup:

    Found it in a stationery shop during vacation, it was presented as a pencil holder with a fountain pen, pencil, rubber and a sharpener in it. My mind made up a better usage in seconds :evil:
     
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  25. GenYHippie

    GenYHippie Well-Known Member

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    thanks horst will do :)
     

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