spyder said:
That is all I was trying to say and the message I was trying to get across... which may have been said but the whole one topic and lets post as much as we can under it theory makes it hard to see if something has been mentioned...
Now we have a few more folks give some honest feedback (not saying people were not being honest...just not giving all the details...which will help people choose wisely.
Max has a great review....
I think I can sum up MY OPINION in a few sentence...
If a dug out system (one hitter) is what you are aim for...then the P-D may be the Vape solution...
Just like a dug out can be used all day for all your needs...I would not be happy if that was my only means to consume.
P-D has it place... some it may be the first and only... other it may be their portable solution....other's may think it pain to consume that way.
Too each his own... but choose wisely!
I'd be interested in hearing some of the details on the PD that were left out, since I always try to be thorough. And I disagree with the one hitter description. You'd have to load light and hit it really big to drain a bowl with one hit. There may be 'hit and run' occasions where you'd want to do that, but certainly not as a rule. With my normal load I never get less than 3 hits and with finely ground herb more.
To repost: "One recent load consisted of very fine, dry herb, and I got 6-8 good hits from it. The number of hits with this very small bowl can obviously vary a lot according to the consistency of the weed."
Since your complaint, quoted below, seems to be that the PD lacks a big punch and you didn't get details on that, I'll list some previous details I posted (and a couple from jeff).
"I equate it to a dug out system... if you like to take a couple small hits and be done for AWHILE.... this MIGHT be the vape for you. If you are looking to use it for a session... this is probably not for you.. get something with some ballz that will put knuckles to you."
By the way my response to your statement- "If you are looking to use it for a session... this is probably not for you.." is a question. What kind of unusual and narrowly defined definition do you have for the term "session" that disqualifies this vape and others? You seem to be saying that only big hitting vapes are worthy of a "session". Since you like detailed info you'd be much better off saying that the PD is probably not for you if you like big hitting vapes. That way you wouldn't be including everyone in your 'big hitters only' catagory. You shouldn't apply your personal criteria to all vapers. I know a few people who don't care to have knuckles put to them. My wife can barely handle the PD hits.
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"I was getting the urge for some big hits last night, but I was feeling way too good to fetch the SSV and hook it up."
"As much as I like my SSV for big hits, I find myself using the PD a lot for pure ease of use."
"...the Vapo has pretty much lost its starting position. For me it's the SSV and PD..."
"I still love the big Surfer hits, but the PD is a nice contrast."
And this one spells out the difference pretty clearly IMO-
"Yeah, it's a coincidence that jeff and I both own the Surfer. I really only compare them on the basis of quality and safety. I don't look at them as competing models. They're too dissimilar. I'll admit I enjoy the vapor experience more with the SSV, due to the big volume (but smooth) hits it can provide, but stealth and portability are important to me too, so if I can only have one , I'd have to go with the more versatile PD."
And quoting jeffp:
"it's great for one person, it's not a group vaporizer. my silver surfer seems more suited for passing around."
"it doesn't lend itself to a comparison to the silver surfer - but since that's my other vape i am comparing it in my mind. with friends over, it's the silver surfer."
So all these statements point out the difference between the vape with the quarter inch bowl and the big hitting Surfer. I won't speak for jeff, but I clearly stated multiple times that the PD is not the big hitting vape the Surfer is. Even if you found some statements that led you to believe the PD is a big hitter, the statements quoted above should have been more than enough to prompt some questions on your part before you suggested it to a friend, who obviously shares your liking for big hitters.
So as far as I'm concerned, "all the details...which will help people choose wisely" were there in black and white. And your complaint that "the whole one topic and lets post as much as we can under it theory makes it hard to see if something has been mentioned...", just doesn't hold water with me. It was mentioned multiple times.
Why can't an analog temp control last more than two years? It's not like I play with it. Not only is that not an issue with Tom's vape, that big SS heat exchanger lets you hit it easy or hard, and if you want to let the loaded tube sit in the vape for a while (my wife is bad for that), it doesn't burn up your bowl like the Vapo does. The parts Tom uses are all heavy duty. The ceramic resistor is a big boy, and resistors are the least likely components to fail. There's no electric vape on the market less in need of a warranty. If you haven't seen Tom's durability tests, look up purple-days vaporizer on youtube. Gotta be the toughest electric vape on the market-no contest.
