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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by dopefiend, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. O-G-Reg

    O-G-Reg Space-time aberration

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    @Mrb58 responding about the best way to go anout smaller loads.
    I personally have found its situational.

    The pad seems to cause faster extraction once it heats up I think its because of the heating surface area; more space to spread the herb and the heat from the pad on top. Definitely make sure you have enough to cover the whole bottom screen for best results . I prefer this method for sessions with two people so less vapor escapes. Also good for using with accessories that require tipping the plenty. Pad holds everything neatly and you get more concentrated vapor imo.

    Reducer does have a bit of a learning curve and you have to nipple the top screen downward to keep the herb from spilling. Reducer feels a bit more convection than pad, extraction takes a bit longer and is a bit more controllable. Best for standard use for one. You really need to fill it all the way though.

    Hope that helps slightly!
     
  2. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    Fascinating article

    wow

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147286

    so what this is saying is that while the V ; P ; Solo give 58 ; 67; and 83 % recovery of THC in vapor
    the fractionation is really interesting and has implications
    residue ( ABV ) contains 15 ; 2 and 2 of THC
    but the device itself ( the cooling coil in the case of P) contains 2; 24 and 18 % of the total THC

    take home lesson '
    for V users - that abv has plenty mof go left

    OTOH for P users -----a quarter of the available THC is in the coil. As the coil is relatively inexpensive- and alcohol extraction of THC is a heckuva heckuva lot easier than abv extraction. buy two coils ( i already had) and swap them weekly or more often. have a big sealed mason jar of iso and every swap put old one in the iso and leave it there for a few days. when the iso is sufficiently gunky. just let it evaporate off. what will remain is going to be pretty close to shatter/concentrate/ wax

    i have a reducer in my order as well as an extra whip
    plan to try all three methods to see what works best for me pad/ reducer and abv as filler
     
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  3. Old Toker

    Old Toker Member

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    No sparks, no non-herb burning smell or smoke.....8 months later...still working great....Fuck it.... If it ain't broken don't fix it. JMPO...
     
  4. ejackyou

    ejackyou Hamilton

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    I don't think that the 'filling chamber reducer' was any kind of after thought.
    It was simply designed to transform the 'Plenty' into The Ultimate Mini/Micro-Dosing
    Vaporizer on the market! With the best heating chamber, and Power!
    I believe This is a much better technique than trying to get multiple sections out of one big dose.
     
  5. Arcanus

    Arcanus New Member

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    I was thinking the same, really - 'spose I just needed to hear it from someone else.

    Anyways, I guess I'll throw my DIY mod in here, maybe someone might get a kick out of it.

    [​IMG]

    I work for an industrial company so I was able to order some really high grade 9/16" OD silicone tubing. This is some good stuff - thick wall, temperature resistant, and food safe. The black chamber piece is 5/8" ID so I slid 'er in and used the spare silicone from the box to make a seal. Jammed in a 14-14 at the other end and I've got some gnarly glass to pair it with. I can't use the metal coil anymore and I'm looking at buying a second chamber housing for it, but just the whip does me good.

    Super duper agree. I usually pack half green, half AVB into the chamber reducer and clear it out on 7. I seriously love this vape, it's crazy that it's not all that popular.
     
  6. O-G-Reg

    O-G-Reg Space-time aberration

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    This seems like a bad look for the plenty. If a quarter of the thc is trapped in the coil, that sounds horridly inefficient. Though, i dont know how that compares to combustion. This article was a huge eye opener for me. How much money is trapped in my coil?!? Really has me thinking twice about whether I’m using the right device...
    Possibly the highest ive ever been was from boiling my coil in milk after 2 months so there is something to this for sure. Thanks for sharing this
    P

    Also @Mrb58 i think you may regret soaking the coil in iso from what ive heard from Others that have done this.... it apparently will leave an awful taste in the coil. Let me know how it works out, im very interested. I know just from boiling in milk, rinsing and coming back it it a week later. That coil traps liquid forever. You might need 3 coils
     
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  7. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    They are a $10 item
     
  8. ChooChooCharlie

    ChooChooCharlie Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to use the cooling coil

    Markus Storz didn't at first either:

    [​IMG]

    Can picture them testing the Plenty prototype in the Volcano lounge, cursing at the hot vapor. They were accustomed to cool Volcano bags. So they came up with the steel cooling coil. S&B hates glass. Must have been some childhood glass trauma.

    I played with short straight glass stems in place of the coil. Hot. If the lab testers in that study had stuck a solo stem in place of the coil, the test results would have been very close, based on their comparable low abv residual levels.

    Cool vapor -> more loss through condensation. Same with any vape. Grasshopper designers wear their hot vapor stream as a badge of honor, extolling the virtue of low condensate loss with short direct path.

    Here's a visualization of Dean vortices generating turbulent mixing around a 90 degree bend. I be hypnotized

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Helical paths generate and sustain Dean vortices. Molecules mix and increase velocity as they swirl, maximizing molecule to wall strikes. Mixing ensures everyone gets many cooling wall interactions. Mighty and Crafty cooling units use rectangular channels with many 180 degree turns to achieve similar turbulent mixing/cooling
     
  9. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    S/S coil is shit, soaked on ISO for days? I used mine until the following arrived;
    https://www.dhgate.com/product/glass-adapter-10-10-14-14-14-19-standard/213619561.html
    and
    https://www.dhgate.com/product/jhook-glass-j-hook-adapter-14-mm-18-8mm-creative/389203747.html
    Stuck in the place where the s/s coil used to be, I like my resin in me, not my wand.
    And because I can't post the pictures here;
    https://vaporasylum.com/threads/the-plenty-by-storz-bikel.487/page-2
    (5 posts down)
    I can't remember the times I have dropped my device, as stated, I would only start worrying if sparks and smoke start to come out of it
    Funny how it took S&B years to get around to making it, the Germans don't like to fix things that ain't broke.:tup:
     
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  10. Trypsy Summers

    Trypsy Summers Well-Known Member

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    My Friend, If it ain't broke - don't fix....;)
    I mean, by simply applying one's own critical faculties, I noted that you said "you dropped it about 8months ago" and then you go on to state "it's still working as same as it always has!"
    Without sounding like I've got issues, I have to say, I don't really see the problem, what is the problem?

    If its working albeit with a crack/dent,then its still working,:uhh: you really don't want to be messing about inside with internal components of an appliance that by your admission is working fine..
    You don't want to worry about the 'outer dents and other damage', cos they are just signs of a vaporizer that is living the life.
    I mean who doesn't drop their vape, I dropped my Volcano digit on the floor and was Paro(noid) for a 'while' until I got a grip, and what do you know! Over a year later, and The Digit is still working 'as sweet as a nut' the moral of the tale is;
    What matters, is what works....

    not saying,:| just saying,:) without saying,;)

    Pure Piece :leaf:
     
  11. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    Just took delivery
    Put 0.2 in reducer capsule

    Not much smoke

    But woo woo

    Need to work on technique I think

    Too used to deep pulls on pax 2
     
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  12. ejackyou

    ejackyou Hamilton

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    I figure the day they discover a Better coil, S&B will bring out as an accessory
     
  13. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    I am very impressed w s and b right now

    Thoughtful simple basic effective and robust

    Great engineering
    No bs


    And profitable
    Plenty couldn’t have cost over $5 yo construct
    And how effectively engineered


    Respect !!!
     
  14. Trypsy Summers

    Trypsy Summers Well-Known Member

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    My friend, a word to the wise, you certainly can get clouds with the reducer (depending on the strain) if you put it up to No7. However, if you want the boom boom boom pow, then you'd best fill up the 'proper chamber', and put that at 6, or better still, 7, and do some slow long draws (around 10 -15 seconds) you'll know! :nod:

    Ps; make sure to get rid of that vapor that lodges in the coil, in between tokes, cos it can be hot and nasty!:tup:

    not saying,:\ just saying;), without saying,:)

    Pure Peace:leaf:
     
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  15. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    Ok
    Third session

    Reloaded capsule -packed it more but still not ama dense pack or even a firm pack

    Got some vapor on 4/5th draw but still wispy
    Getting high tho

    Herb is very fine grind dried out

    On pax 2 where I packed it fairly dense
    I was getting pretty big tasty clouds early on especially -but stronger high w P

    Guidance appreciated

    Grind
    Pack ?

    Was going as slow on draw as I imagined humanly possible -extending out to slow count to 15

    ABV from round 1light brown
     
  16. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I like My PLENTY for a certain experience?
    I use others as well!
    My need is MEDICATED before Anilation.
    Now I do use the PLENTY a lot!
    5.75 is my level I currently use?

    What is you’re level?
     
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  17. LesPlenty

    LesPlenty Well-Known Member

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    I start at 6.5, pack mine tight (at least a gram) with fine ground material, wait until heat lamp clicks off and take long slow draws. The third draw is when it really starts producing, I just keep going until vapor visibly drops off then turn the dial to 7 and keep going on my J-hook or if I am feeling naughty I will swap to my 18mm GonG cap to finish the bowl in a hurry through one of my more restrictive bongs(don't forget to tap the black filling chamber cap before swapping so your puck stays in the s/s filling chamber).
    That S/S coil not only tastes like shit compared to glass but it also robs you of a lot of vapor.
    You can hold your breath and wait for S&b to bring out a decent glass mouthpiece, same as the reducers, they got sick of people asking for them and finally realised they could make some more money, so after a few years they did. Just like a glass mouthpiece upgrade for your Mighty, every bit helps.:tup:
     
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  18. O-G-Reg

    O-G-Reg Space-time aberration

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    @Mrb58 i get much more vapor filling the reducer directly rather than using capsules.
     
  19. SloJimFizz

    SloJimFizz Unknown Member

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    I mainly use capsules lately with .15 fine grind.
    Heat on level 7, wait for click then put entire chamber on.
    Start pulling, no need for a slow draw imo, first hit maybe a tad whispy, but the 2nd and 3rd are the golden ones. Near the end of the third pull, I remove the chamber whilst still drawing to cool off the load. Gather thoughts, pull the trigger and wait for click to repeat 3 hit process. I can get an average of 15 of these pulls from one cap with .15 pending on strain.
    I like a full load every now and then in the stock chamber, just hard when I see how big a mound a full gram is laid out. And multi sessions with a full load leave me wishing I had had a fresh tasting pull in there somewhere, just me.
    I have no problem with the coil or the flavor it puts out and I don't really like the Plenty through water. :shrug:
     
  20. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I load up some KUSH from California in my PLENTY?
    It did not feel like it was working?
    Boy was I hit hard!
    This thing will ruin one!

    WARNING = POWER DEVICE

    6.0 my setting?
    Could I reduce it?
    Maybe?
    Fuck I’m very STONED & no smell in da house?
     
  21. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    5days out

    1. First couple of days
    Sinking feeling -my old hacked pax 2might be better than this -

    now not so - plenty rocks vs pax 2 in all respects besides flavor. Now flavor is personal but with my mod pax 2sends out low air resistance dense big flavorful while clouds. Not the plenty. But it wows the head and might be more economical too.

    I tried plenty in the following modes. In the following order.

    Reducer no capsule -disappointing
    Herb all over the place

    Reducer with capsule -loose pach-disappointing

    0.2 gm with abv layered on top to fill chamber - finally start to appreciate it s bit but still second to the pax

    Full pack 1-1.2gm herb -got around 10-12 sessions but the last few sessions you are just waiting for the bowl to finish

    Reducer -packed firm w 0. 2gm -first time it outperformed pax 2 wrt head high/economy -but marginally


    0.2 gm in full chamber with liquid pad cover ( for comparison to br accurate I packed both pax 2snd full chamber with s similarly packed capsule and then inverted ) - wow -getting 3sessiond At 9-10

    Waiting for small size liquid pad to try 1/2 capsule .
     
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  22. ejackyou

    ejackyou Hamilton

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    A Really Good Instrument, can only be as Good as the one who Plays it.
     
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  23. O-G-Reg

    O-G-Reg Space-time aberration

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    With the Reducer no capsule method its 100% essential to nipple the top screen downwards to keep the herb inside. Prior to doing this i did not get good results either. Nippled it once, never had an issue.

    NIPPLE
     
  24. ChooChooCharlie

    ChooChooCharlie Well-Known Member

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    Nipples !!

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Wendy can't decide. Oh yeah. Oh no. For-Next Loop. 1980, witnessed her performance-art at a dive bar in Dover, NJ. She preferred black electrical tape when I saw her.

    Go to your local hardware store and find a 5/8 inch washer. Make that nipple. Enjoy that nipple. Leave that nippled screen installed even for full loads, no switching required
     
  25. Mrb58

    Mrb58 Active Member

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    micro-dosing experiments on the plenty -part two

    Tried using around 0.1 gm on the plenty large chamber with reducer-meh!!! 1.75 sessions 1st to 9-10 second petered out to 6-7 maybe. So looks like in large chamber better put minimum 0.2.

    Still waiting for reducing cap for liquids magazine ( w small liquid pads)

    In the meanwhile - reducing capsile filled 1/3 fresh herb &2/3 abv . Amazing best guess 0.05-0.075 g. To get to couch lock. Session lasted around 40-45 min. Fine to Med grind firm but not pill wrt the pack. Medium dry. Now that is extraction.
    Plenty got plenty hot but NO combustion. I vaped till the herb would give no more nectar. Essentially vaped till I couldn’t detect any vapor in my exhale with my iPhone light.

    In the meanwhile did my first clean of the “whip” by immersing it in a pickle jar filled with iso, for several hours. Iso nicely discolored with 4-5 days worth of deposit. Plan to keep reusing this for cleaning and then evaporate the iso off to see what I get

    If roughly s quarter of the thc gets deposited in the collection path-this should be substantive and fairly effortless
     

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