Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by HiPi, Jan 23, 2011.
this thing looks pretty cool
nice work hipi
Review after a few days.
The unit has had well over 20 hours operating time now, in say 5 or 6 bursts. So far, no drama whatsoever. I have a small, all-glass hookah with two hoses, and the heater worked very well for this purpose, not seeming to lose much if any heat from the air passing over it. I again think the heater definitely could use a shroud over it for safety's sake. Part of me would prefer to have the heating dial on the unit itself somehow, or somewhere on the cord itself near the wand-end. I prefer to start low and end high temp-wise in any given vape, and it would be nice to have adjustability closer at hand. I could see where this could be less desirable or more expensive for multiple reasons, and am just thinking of what would seem to work for my given tastes.
Think of the MW as a naked-ass Incognito heating element which is then encased in a glass tube, lightweight and easily wielded but also very sturdy to my standards, with two silicone rings so it can be set down, with one also acting as a physical barrier to keep your hand from wandering onto the hot length of glass which contains the heater.
This has pretty much been my primary vape for a few days now and I'm actually very pleased.
The combination of a large (wide!) bowl and low heat makes for dense clouds which seem to last and last - the default setting here seems to be very near that super-sweet spot we all hunt for given the variables of our vapes - for instance messing with screen position and dial temp endlessly with a DBV/SSV, finding right amount of intake choke and temperature and bowl size on an HA for bag blowing, or finding the right jet lighter setting (or even the right jet lighter) for use with vapes like the Vapocane and vapobowl. That sweet spot is made by going to a 11:45-12:30 position with a smallish MFLB trench-full in the bowl, IME at this point.
Unwanted conduction or radiant type vaporizing, the type which happens when no one is inhaling due to exposure to hot surfaces or material being too close to the heater, seems minimal. This is kind of a pet peeve for me and one of the things which somewhat diminishes some vaporizers, like the HA and Iolite. Some people would disagree it even occurs in the HA and some others I would mention.
Keep in mind those who have it now are basically beta testers and the unit will change some, with a heater which I was told is hotter and higher quality than this one, and all the Incognitos (if I recall correctly) have this better heater. It's also going to be modified to blow bags, which is an interesting prospect.
I have a long time friend who has used all of my vaporizers for quite awhile, generally preferring to combust. He was literally awed at times by the MW for brief moments, staring at it and trying to trace the airpath, comparing it to the other vapes like the DBV and vapobowl we've used, and said it was his favorite after all of like fifteen minutes. I'm a hell of a lot more reserved than that, but definitely impressed by it.
It's also heartily approved by me and I for solid concentrates. I could maaaaybe see where a little higher maximum temp might be useful for some applications.
Glass quality - I have the 14mm bowl, the 18mm bowl, and the 9mm to 14mm adapter. I was told all glass was made in Richmond and it is obviously nicely made. For the package price you get a really nice little collection of glass. Personally, I needed a 9mm to 14mm adapter anyway - with a fatty O-ring (like the type included with the Eclipse H20, also an awesome vape) the adapter can also fit into a 12mm, so I can officially MW vape out of every piece with a glass downstem except the super obscure teeny, tiny glass on glass joint. Also, dumb fun bonus, The 14mm bowl can also be used as a 14mm to 18.8mm adaptor for using other pieces/vapes. The hookah bowl is still being made so I can't comment on it, but I expect it to be every bit as nice.
Given its low cost, the fact its made in CA, warranty, a heater shroud or armored cable, and the apparent build quality, and also presuming truly healthy components are used, and that Hipi stands behind his product, I can feel safe giving it an 8 as it stands in my hand right now and a solid 9 given some (Safety!) tweaking and the pretty awesome promise of being able to blow bags. The MW is a serious heavyweight waiting to happen after little refinement, and also after having truly proven itself as a reliable long-term vape to the community and to the world. But so far, so good, and a vape all cloud chasers should take note of.
Sorry if this review seems a little verbose, felt like typing I guess..
Glad you like it, thanks for all the great info as well. Seems like HiPi really knows what he is doing. He has some fantastic products out right now. I absolutely LOVE my Incognito.
Nice to hear so many positives from the earliest adopters.
Charlie could you report on its use with minuscule amounts of material?
Log vape stem amounts....0.05g or less. Just tryin to see what I can expect when mine comes in
Awesome Review up there. This product looks awesome. I especially like how you have both 14mm and 18mm.
I've never used or even seen a logvape or any of their accessories firsthand. I know that I use what I would consider to be a definitively skimpy MFLB trench, two of which would make an okay-to-generous trench. That's roughly two, leveled Lotus scoops, to again speak in measurements which are completely inconsistent and meaningless to most who will read this. Consider say a VG classic bowl half full, that's the amount I'm talking about, to my recollection.
You can use less than that but it doesn't really cover the screen completely, requiring you to crank the heat a bit to get satisfying vapor, and reducing the quality and quantity of those hits over just packing a proper bowl. The temp seems to adjust relatively quickly when up to temperature, maybe 60-90 seconds from the 12 O clock position to the 2 or 3 O clock.
Not to mention the 9mm to 14mm adaptor for all your older-style pieces.
Some small criticism - the glass bowls can get quite uncomfortably warm if you just leave the wand on for 5 minutes at a time. For this sort of use, as might be expected with a hookah-type setup, it might be nice having two handles on the bowls rather than the one, and maybe make the both of the handles bigger than the one currently. A small problem at worst, as you can always grab the bowl near the bottom joint.
Thanks for the info Charlie.
Just the anticipation gettin the best of me. Lol
Could you cover the handle with electrical tape or somethin similar? Hurts aesthetics but might help.
I think ideally you would want to elevate the protective sleeve so that it wasn't in contact with the glass on the length of the heater, where it's hottest. Hell, I think even something like a piece of bamboo that fit snugly over the two rings, thus staying in place slightly elevated off the glass, out of direct contact with the glass but protecting the user from it, would work fine.
There might also be issues about heat dispersion I haven't considered to the full extent, too.
We are investing in heat protection right now. We will have a white heat protective sleeve or silicone sleeving over the whole upper portion of the unit.
Had it on for about 12 hours straight today with no signs of overheating whenever I've used or checked it, running at a gnat's wing beneath the recommended temp.
As far as the world is concerned, This is pretty much what the MW will look like for the new models. The model in the pictures is on the recommended temp. It is being held even though it is still very hot but it will not burn you and this is the issue I was attempting to solve.
MW fall resistance videos anyone?
Old test video
That's awesome HiPi, and it addresses my main concern about the vape.
I've used pretty much nothing but the MW at home and the VapeOrSmoke when out for the last week or so, and I've enjoyed this duo very much. Both are Fing awesome for solid concentrates. I'm getting really super consistent, beautiful brown ABV with the Magickwand when using a fine grind, almost HA consistent if you stir every few hits.
Like the design Hipi. Are you planning to offer colored silicone models? It might help you sell a few extra units.
Perhaps a rasta themed one? Or any other combos. Not sure if its even possible but itd be cool
Hipi, I would love to see a drop the MW video, or just another with I Girl blowing clouds... getting excited for mine
Aww man, take a bit of a respite from FC for a few months and see what happens? I miss out on VIP deals on neat new things like this. However, I think I might take the plunge on this anyway. I pretty much only vape out of my PD through either my 100 Ehle or my nice new inline my roomie got for my birthday a few days back. All I'd need would be the MW and 14mm bowl, correct?
Good name, mephisto lol
I plan to use the wand with my ehle 250 exclusively and only ordered the 14mm bowl.
For me, an OK(my typical load)LB trench weighs .05-.08, a generous trench would be .12-.15(generous = fully loaded but not overloaded)depending on the bud, and an MZ stem ranges from .03 to .05. I often load a trench aiming for a specific wieght, and then dump it onto my scale to see how close I came.
Hope this helps.
HiPi, keep this up and you're going to become a premier vape manufacturer. Can't wait to see what you're cookin up next.
Here's a sneak preview of one of my photos from my upcoming review. Thought I'd post it to show off the MW package with all the bowls.
Great pic, PoopMachine - love the lighting.
Just pulled the trigger on this. It's a bummer to miss the FC-special, but I just figure I'll sell my DIY "Hakko" SSV to a buddy of mine, and pare down to the PD, MFLB, and this little beauty. Review to come!
Not to speak for the man, but just mention to Hipi that you're a long time board member who missed the opportunity to get in on the VIP pricing and I bet he'll give you some type of break. He's a nice guy who seems to value this community.
Wow -- Where have I been with this thread; Anyway I have a few questions, I'm just about ready to order one of these -- (I'm sorry also that I too missed out on the FC special) Anyway -- I see here how this is being advertised as an all glass airpath. I have one question
1 -- The Heater -- From what I can see its a ceramic heater, is the heater entirely encapsulated in glass, and there is a second glass cover which creates a glass on glass chamber that the air moves through and only touches the glass surrounding the heating element? Or does the air come in direct contact with the ceramic element (similar to Vriptech/LSV/SSV ect) ?
Meh, I don't really mind...consolidating the vapes I own has been a goal of mine for some time now. This one will just fill the place of the Hakko SSV and DBV. Just sent him a note pertaining to ship out time now that he's moving through beta processes. Still, I've got that excitement that only comes when vapeheads order a new toy!
Also: Love your avatar. Makes me want to one-up you and take a pic of my Westverleteren chalices, but one can never go wrong with any trappist!
Hey right on man, I've been a serious beer lover/brewer for about two years now. You'll notice that my goblet is empty.. The image is starting to bother me!
I can bet that most likely, you're going to love your MW. I'm really pleased with the unit overall, from its cloud-producing to its effiency, and now that the heat/safety issue is addressed, there's very little not to recommend.
One thing I haven't pointed out which is kind of nifty about the MW is that the bowl is completely visible to you while in use, you can watch the material vaping nicely, which is both great fun and makes overdosing/overheating a thing of the past as long as you're watching. This is something I liked and missed about the Vaporpro.
Check out post 108 quoted here:
So basically the MW exposes the air to its heating element, more like the DBV and less to the Vriptech, which I understand has an isolated path. Hipi is going to make an all glass model called the Adorabowl and you can pretty much bet your arse I'll be looking to beta test that one, too. Loving my MW so far.
The heating element is in contact with the air but it being completely ceramic contact through and through, You have no flavor issue. I've tried many vapes.... I have had many awesome vapor tastes in my life, Ive seen many clouds. I should just let the people who buy it say how they feel about it. The vapor tastes OFF THE HOOK! I know that the incognito and the MW use the same heating element but the mechanics are very different and I'd say my favorite is the MW for the Flavanoids. Incognito is just a cloud beast that gives consistent fruity flavah but the MW, its big boss glass bowl, and hands free action make this a stoner favorite in my book because i love watching big smooth vapor fill up an expensive piece of glass artwork.
MMMMMM TASTY. Just try someone's. If you are anything like me, It'll male you wanna take pictures and videos. Im a geek though
BTW for those who have waited, I am sorry. You'll get it soon, I am pumping these out like fireballs from Lu Kang. I am actively solving the issues addressed as far as stoners leaving the MW on expensive glass pieces that require vertical placement of the wand. Some users will leave it on for longer than 30 mins just taking one long infinidrag (which is freaking awesome if you havent tried it). I will be including material that will allow you to grab hold of the wand comfortably to set it aside after completion of your vape session. Also the idiot proof rings will keep more than 90%+ stoners from burning themselves without being ridiculous. The material include should allow all users inebriated or sober to comfortably use the unit without removing any of the glass appeal from the unit.
I can vouch for the no off flavors claim for my unit, just tasty vapor.
Unit has been on for like 10 hours straight again today, zero problems.
To be fair, the only vaporizers I've used which were noticably nasty tasting were Vapir/Voodoo products and no name boxes, or ones which required excessive heating of a screen, such as the vaporpro.
I know you're in the midst of dealing with the demand of two vapes already, but can you tell us if the adorabowl will be different in any other way besides heater/glass enclosure separating air from heater? Just curious.
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