DIY E-Cig THC Liquid Discussion

O sorry about double posting the link. But has anyone found this to work, it seems like the easiest method.

yes, yes, it's on... at least I am reading... Hope all is well.
I think extracting thc through alcohol based substances should be avoided when vaping. The alcohol will cause a headache probably when inhaled through an e-cig.
I found a very intelligent report / answer to the thc/PG problem in another forum:
http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesti...ropylene-glycol-thc-tincture-recipe-me-2.html

Man oh man do I have some awesome insight for you!!!!!

Ok first things lets touch base on your extraction method, stop using washes as your extraction method and use buetian, either do what I do and get MnM mini tub, drill the holds pack the bud and run about two cans of buetian through it, holding it over a glass plate thats sitting in a shallow boal of warm water, let the buetian dry completely, takes normally about 30 mins to an hour depending on where you live, you will know when it drys and if your unsure then just let it sit longer, after two hours its defently completely dried.

Ok after you have your extract to make it useable for us heavy smokers your going to need suspend 4-5 mgs of this thc in every 1 ml of juice (just use pg nothing else), this is the tricky part here because for a 10ml bottle of juice you need about 5 grams of this extract (about an ounce worth of bud).

See the trick here is that pg is an achole but its not a nonpolar solvent

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent, and http://webphysics.davidson.edu/physlet_resources/bu_semester2/c08_dielectric_constant.html to understand why.

This is where stuff gets a tad bit dangerious but if your a smart adult then you should be safe!

Take you some vodka (I like the goose) and an eye dropper and drop it over the thc extract until all is asorbed, dont use fresh vodka each time fill a dropper empty it on the thc and suck it back up and keep doing that, add more vodka as needed (to extract 5 grams, you should end up using about two or three shots total, but dont just add the shots do it drop by drop this is important here!)

now heres the tricky part, we want to make our vodka "drop off" the thc inside of our pg, in order to do this take you about 15 ml of your pg and mix it with your thc vodka stuff...

Ok if ever in your life you were careful with measurements this is the time, nothing harmful will come from it but the more careful you are the better your yield!

With a CANDY THERMOMETER I can not stress enough about how this needs to be a candy grade one, any hobby shop will have one, and its extremely presise, get an eletric one if you can afford it they can get costly, SLOWLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heat this mixture to 148.5F (it should start boiling), you have to keep the temp at this level, seriously this is beyond important, we only want to boil off the vodka and nothing else. PG has a very high boiling point, but we have to be careful not to smoke our thc before we get to smoke it so use something you have fine control of the tempeture with

After bout 5 mins the boiling normally will start to become more of a simmer.. when it starts to simmer take it from the heat and instantly chill it, the best way to do this is take your pan and put it in a bowl of ice. The rapid chilling helps keep the thc stable.

After that your good to go, you should have around 10-12 ml of fluid. I find that it normally takes about two drops in a cartige to get a good vape high.

Please note that your mileage may variey and please dont blame me if you kill your self in any way.. use well vented areas for everything (thats why your stove has a fan on it!) and be smart! Another smart thing is for when your boiling off your vodka, use a double boiler, easier to minitor temp, and much more smart!


EDIT NOTE

If your scared to boil off the vodka, you can let it sit under a light (use a lamp pointing at it) over night, and that should evaporate a good portion of the vodka out, the juice isn't going to be as potent and might be a little harsher (that throat hit people talk about) but i would recommend starting out with that, if your worried about boiling stuff (plus boiling stuff is hard to do with small amounts like the 10ml bottle I talk about here)

Thank you so much, Trixer.

I will try and report.
There seems to be a great way of doing it, which I saw in another forum. Please read through it and I am very interested to hear your comments.

This is it:
http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesting-processing/417811-propylene-glycol-thc-tincture-recipe-me.html

Looking 4ward 2 ur reply...

This is it:
http://forum.grasscity.com/harvesting-processing/417811-propylene-glycol-thc-tincture-recipe-me.html

I dont like this method because he isnt really blending the thc with the PG he is boiling it into it (trying to take a round peg and stick it in a square hole basically.. with enough force its gonna work but there is gonna be gaps)



Now as far as a further explaination of the extraction method, ill tell you my thoughts on the extraction using good old buetain. First off you can google "honey bee extractor" and get one of those or you can follow my method.


Take you an MnM minis tube and drill three small holes in the bottom of it (I like to use the small point of a nail, holes down need to be large you dont want anything falling through them!)

Then poke a small hole in the top for the tip of the can (again I like to use the pointed end of a nail, and just kind of work it gently until you get something that the nipple of the can can go into pretty good)

After that, take about an ounce of some green, and remove all seeds from it, leaves stems and everything else REMOVE ALL SEEDS ALLL SEEDS one more time ALLLLLLLLLLL SEEDS, the oils in the seeds cause problems, give you headaches, and make you shoot blanks. There is nothing in seeds of any value besides baby plants, and I dont grow so baby plants are useless to me.

now take you an eletric coffee grinder, and run your ounce through it, you should litterally have a powder so fine you could snort it... dont snort it.. that would be dumb... and painful.. and useless.. trust me voice of experience here...

Take this powder and pack it loosely into your MnM tube, you want to try and get as much as you can in there. Pack it good but leave room for air.

Now take a glass cooking pan, and set it inside of a shallow bowl of warm water, you dont want water in the pan, just around it.

Hold your MnM tube over the pan and run about two cans of buetain through it, after you have done that you can empty the tube and pack more and run another two cans through it, Normally I end up having to do an ounce in a bout three payloads, so six cans of beutian.

After that just leave it alone for about an hour and a half.. it normally takes less time but I would rather you be safe then sorry.. So in about 1 to 1.5 hours come back, and there will be an oily honey like stuff that is around the color of reeses PB.

Take you a razor blade.. a razor blade... not a credit card.. or a spoon.. or anything else that you think might work in place of a razor blade.. trust me.. I have tried everything and I mean everything! and scrape the stuff into a pile, generally you will get about 3-6 grams of pure THC out of an ounce of your normal street type bud.. If you use something like dro or really high grade stuff, I have gotten up to 12 grams (which is almost 50% THC content, thats really really good)

Now you can vape this stuff straight out of a normal vaperizer, if you use your ecig it will most likely gum up the atomizer, in this form, what ever you do dont smoke this stuff in any way that uses a lighter directly to the extract, it will all burn up before you even start hitting it.

Now the great thing about THC and most active chems in plants is that its a non-polar meaning that it will litterally mix homogeneously (very very well blended) with any other non polar liquid, most of which are your clear alcohols in nature. Rubbing alcohol is commonly used because it drys very quickly, but I prefer vodka cause if you injest it, its ok. Strength is not an issue at all, we have already done the extract so all we are looking is for a method to suspend the extract to keep it from degrading under sunlight (THC litterally will rust if left exposed to the air, so we have to suspend it in something)

Take an eye dropper and drip vodka on it, recycling your drops.. it should take a couple shots or so using this method to get it all soaked up. The color will be a greenish black.

Afterwards your safe to store it like this in a freezer for as long as you need to, you can drop it in your ecig cards this way, or another vaporizor, a word to the wise, is give it about 10 mins to dry before putting heat to it, so that its not so harsh.. smoking vodka is harsh lol, so let the vodka dry a bit first...



I have also taken the time to suspend this is PG using my method above, I really wouldnt advice it, generally its just to much trouble for what its worth, the only thing it adds is simply adds a bit more smoke and maybe flavoring.. Personally I dont think its worth the trouble, it dosnt help save your atomizor really all that much.... just drop the vodka based stuff on it and smoke it that way, when your done clean your atom real good with rubbing aclohole and you will be fine!


Some other fun stuff to do with your new found thc juice, is to just put a couple drops in your mouth under your tongue, it stings a little at first but about 30 mins later you will wonder how the heck you got so high lol!

PressEnter,

one thing I want to note to you, is that the prossess of cooking anything with a lid on it is called refluxing, basically what is happening in that pot, is the thc is getting vaporized, and floating up to the lid where it creates pressure, and then cools down and falls into the water/oil.

I personally think this is a bad way to extract simply because your presmoking your thc lol. Plus alot im sure is lost to the air and heat at the same time.

Stick with my method above, short of some serious bio chem stuff its the best way to extract THC, just use a room with a fan going and the window open, and dont light a lighter in there (even if you did I doubt anything would happen if its ventilated but safety first kids)


Also some people say that using the plastic tube like I do is bad because the buitane will suck up some of the plastic chemicals too, but I have found no evidence of this, both from inspection with a micrometer and just general testing.


Another thing I would like to note is that you can use this to extract any alkaloid from any plant, most active chems in plants are alkaloids. Some examples are

Rose Oil - Will give you a VERY strong rose scented oil that can be used to make candles, perfumes, or anything else.... Please use small amounts this stuff is strong.

LCA - this is commonly found in two seeds, if your interested do a google and you will find them easly enough.

philsocybin - This is the active chemical in your trippy shrooms, please becareful when dosing this start extremely small, I dont want anyone to get hurt!


Things like bananas and oranges can also be used to pull the active chemicals out of them, for health reasons.

Just remember what ever your working with needs to be completely and utterly bone dry, and powdery (use a coffee grinder those things work awesomely)

This all sounds great but isn't the boiling point of Everclear 173F? Isn't it an Ethyl alcohol not a methyl alcohol?

So with unanswered questions I went on and did the experiment. I used an ounce of weed, the honey bee extractor and a can of impurity free 10 fl oz butane to make the hash oil. I then dissolved the oil in about 60 ml of 95% alcohol (everclear). I then added 15 ml of vegetable glycerine. I slowly brought the mixture to a boil which unlike Trixer's directions wasnt until about 185F where it was remaining constant. It was at this point in which I had boiled off so much alcohol that the giant digital candy thermometer that was so highly recommended tipped over my tiny pyrex beaker. All of it was wasted on my heating element, stove and floor. I did not manage to save any of it. Throughout the process however everything seemed to be working flawlessly. I had an amazing BHO extraction which dissolved easily in the alcohol. That mixture then easily mixed with the VG and the alcohol was visibly boiling off. The mixture was a nice honey color very similar to the vape pen mixer. I am positive my tincture would have worked and I cant wait to try it again. I was at college and left for the holidays so I wont be able to try the experiment again until I get back in early january. going to use a smaller glass analog thermometer next time. the oz was mid-grade so it only cost me $120 which was scholarship refund money so Im not too mad over the deal .

I'm about ready to pull this off. Okief extractor just arrived.

Trixer used PG, any reason you chose VG?

Which could be explained by the PG/VG difference.

Bummer man, sorry to hear that.

Good to hear.

I'll be trying this soon, got a 6V thagbuilt.com PV and a bunch of various sized atomizers with adapters to try them all to see which medicates the best.

hey lo. i just bought my mom this e cig starter kit. have any opinions?

http://www.cignot.com/product_p/kit-510-nbx.htm

yup, i got juice samples coming too. where do you find is the best place to buy it? that heaven gifts is cheap but shipping takes forever and is expensive. right now i am looking at nhale and vapor4life for samples. and ive also been told to get the 510 to 901/KR808/greencig adapter. also, do you think it is worth getting one of those better batteries? are the 2 regular batteries that come with it enough?

So far so good.

Disclaimer. I never did a BHO extraction before.

Hardware.
I have read and seen where one could use a plastic this or a metal that for the tube, I went in search for something in stainless steel, couldn't find a steel turkey baster locally. Visited Home Depot, Lowes and an ACE Hardware, also found online metal fabricators that will cut any kind of pipe or tube at any length at any thickness. Then I saw okief.com was finally going to be shipping their products in December so went that route. There was still some learning curve time needed for this whole e-cig thing anyway and also time waiting for my thagbuilt.com MOD to be made.

I bought the single tube extractor model from okief and it arrived Friday. I already received all the various type e-cig atomizers, adapters, cartridges, batteries etc etc.

Product.
A while back I elected a new and upcoming dispensary as my caregiver and in return they give me an O monthly. I have to say December's O was not the best, some shit called Haystack, but I thought for my first run and considering this whole thing is an experiment to begin with, it would be the perfect medicinal candidate.

Procedure.
I thought, why couldn't there be some Everclear waiting in the receiving basin? It might make Trixer's eyedropper part not needed which seemed tedius. Then I thought, why not have the propylene glycol (PG), a base used for e-juice, in the basin and skip the whole alcohol to PG transfer?

So I asked a couple of experienced chemists. They recommended extracting into the Everclear first so that's what I did.

I extracted into a basin containing about 2oz of Everclear and received a nice golden brown thin final product. I let some everclear evaporate. It was easy to eyedropper up and mix half and half with some PG. I let it sit over night to see if it would separate, from what I can tell this morning, it did not. So I know that approximately half the volume is Everclear.

That's where I'm at now, allowing some evaporation to take place while at work. Depending on how fast that goes I may have to do Trixer's gentle boiling of the PG to reduce it sooner rather then waiting on evaporation.

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Cant you use something low heat based? Like a candle warmer or even put it in a crock pot (on low) for an extended period of time? That is a slow constant heat that isnt 'too' hot.