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Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by divinetribe, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    QQ is 22mm diameter. What's the deal with nic salts? I see all my e-cig stores spamming me with that gear, pod vapes for salts, etc. What's the advantage of that vs glycerins? You can vape with simpler, lighter gear to get your fix? But it doesn't make as much clouds? Probably little applicability to concentrates, right? :D

    About the evic basic + QQ, I actually didn't use it with that mod, I just screwed it on there real quick to show how it looks on a mod. That basic is one of the few mods i use to switch between different attys, so I didn't want to unpair my other mods at the moment. With 60w max, the basic should work with the QQ, but I'd expect poor battery performance. Maybe 4-5 quick sessions on a full charge at most? Maybe as little as 3 depending on how you use it? With the little battery, live-voltage sag during usage, as the CPU and battery heats up, would probably be as big of a limitation as the 1500mah capacity. So you could probably make it work, but it wouldn't be a great pairing with the QQ. I actually did more testing on the cuboid, I found these old pics, this is how I actually used it....

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    As for the invoke, there should be no big issue with battery life when using it with the QQ. Although I haven't tested it on that mod myself, and I have read about some issues / limitations with the invoke with high-voltage builds because it has a "buck boost" converter and not a step-up converter? I don't think this should be an issue with the QQ though, battery performance will matter more on what type of 18650 you put in there. That mod requires 2 cells in parallel to operate, you can't run it with 1 cell and use the extra space as a stash spot inside the mod like on the istick 100w, sorry. :(

    Way to go, nature hiking dabber! :D Some of these 510 dabbing devices are the best for concentrates in the great outdoors. Not that I do that very often, but here's a blurry repost for you from last winter... white V3 in the tahoe snow
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    (before I discovered AF)

    Regarding the top-airflow sai, the cups/buckets on that one is heated by a donut from underneath, right? I think with the ceramic rods on the QQ actually being "inside" the cup rather than only underneath it might give it an edge over similar heated bucket / cup attys, but it's still gonna be more of a battery hog compared to the V3.

    I like the old 150w cuboid, it's one of the oldest mods I have that I still use. It is a bit dated, and big and heavy for being only 2 cells, but I still like the feel and form of it, and it has a nice button, I love my big cuboids still. The big 2-cell primos are nice also, a bit longer, shorter, and less wide than the cuboid, the hand feel and button are good but not as nice as the cuboid IMO.

    The predator looks like a nice mod too, I think wismec mods are generally pretty good also. They use the same chips as the joyetech / eleaf mods and can run AF, but I don't have any experience with them firsthand.

    I've seen some of the voopoo mods, they look nice, but I'm not sure if the drag is small enough for you, or how it compares to those other mods? I haven't used any of that brand and I don't know how well the TC functions. It looks like it has many features to help acheive good control of your TC operation, but not having used it myself, I can't really say. :shrug:

    If you want a 2-cell mod that isn't very big, you might want to take a look at the eleaf invoke. It seems to be one of the smallest double 18650s mods on the market.

    Ok now...this video I just want to share because these are some of the best "melt porn" shots with the QQ I've seen, :o :drool: even though the video isn't very high-res, you get a good view. This was taken with the earlier experimental dual tube glass cap, but you should still see a similar swirling dynamic on the final version. Matt shared this with me a while back but I haven't seen it posted elsewhere



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  2. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    The reason for me is simple: taste / smell. Like said above, a barely exposed o-ring is all I can stand. Apparently some people are not sensitive to silicone smells but I'm the inverse, I'm like a silicone detector!

    See the recent Ghost MV1 thread for instance, I knew from day one this vape wouldn't be for me, but nearly all its supporters are perfectly fine with the silicone.

    Don't get me started on the Ascent... :puke:
     
  3. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    My biggest issue with silicone in a vaporizer is that parts in the airpath get sticky with condensate residues, but silicone is not really cleanable. Once it is exposed to isoproyl alcohol it begins degrading. For parts like an O-ring that get minimal exposure and only require a quick dip, it's not so bad, but like @KeroZen stated; when it becomes a structurally integral component of the vape design, like the Ghost MV1 it becomes a valid concern.

    Even the terpenes in our extracts can degrade silicone at room temperature, which is why I'm really against those non stick jars and highly recommend all concentrate enthusiasts switch to biophotonic glass jars. Yes you will lose a little material stuck to the sidewalls, but as long as you re-use the jars there's no real loss.

    I haven't got a QQ yet, but I'm definitely upgrading to a 2 cell mod for it. Seems like a single 18650 is really going to be pushing the limits and putting a lot of strain on the battery. To really replace a torch it's gonna need to last at least as long as one.
     
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  4. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    @invertedisdead: of course, and don't get me started on the plasticizers! I only evoke the smell/taste issue as we are not allowed to discuss materials safety in the product threads (and gawd do I dislike this forum rule, but since we're not allowed to discuss rules and mod's decisions... grrrrrrr)

    :rant: :worms: :shit::shit::shit:
     
  5. Bad Ocelot

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    Thanks for the info there @Vape Donkey 650 I guess I got a little too excited when I saw the dual battery bars on the invoke display, probably still gonna get one regardless though. I'm thinking the green might look good with the green glass cap :cool:

    As for nic salts, it's just protonated nicotine, as opposed to the freebase used in standard ejuice. Makes much higher nic concentrations tolerable. I find a 30mg/mL nic salt smoother than a 6mg/mL freebase. I switched from tobacco using the Juul a couple years ago which uses a proprietary nic salt blend, & always had some trouble getting satisfaction from low nic, high output devices, though cloud chucking was kinda fun, ha. & yeah, no real application for our more fun vaping applications, ha.

    @Kanna_Kult as for wismec mods, I've got a few & they work great with DT attys. Very much serviceable with the stock TCR but even better with AF. I believe they have an RX model (RX2/3) that can switch between 2 18650s & 3 if you're looking for some flexibility there.
     
  6. PandaLee

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    I'm either going to use my ol' Cuboid and set the values with arctic fox, or I just bought a Voopoo Drag for a good price locally and I'll use that. I just haven't used a Voopoo yet and from messing with it at the store, I can see how to set NI/Ti/SS temp modes but I don't know yet how to input the TCR numbers recommended. I'm trying to learn right now at youtube university lol

    QQ should be in my hands today or Tuesday.
     
  7. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    My QQ came in earlier today I'm im about to start playing around with it now, but I want to make a correction, @PandaLee was right:

    The QQ kit does indeed come with a removable 22mm heat sink in the box

    I didn't see it in all of the pics on the website or see it specifically mentioned that it was included, but it is. So there's no need to go buy a heat sink, sorry if I sent a bunch of you guys scrambling to go buy heat sinks :o :doh:

    Interesting, I never thought that many people might be very sensitive to silicon even if it doesn't get heated up much in the airpath?

    The way you are with silicon is how I am with metal coil wires for direct conduction vaping (but using metal coils for pure convection vaping, that doesn't have to affect flavor that I can notice)

    Whether the metal coil is mildly heated or nearly glowing, it seems that most people don't notice a "metal taste" when using them to vape concentrates through direct conduction (coils touching the oil) I certainly do notice the metal taste, even if slight. Don't get me wrong, it's not like a horrible taste, just a slight metallic aftertaste trailing on the exhale after the taste of your concentrates. But IME, alumina ceramic heaters like the donuts give me absolutely no foreign or foul tastes when I puff on an clean empty donut or one that's loaded up. Puff a hot empty donut, I taste only "hot air." A loaded donut, I taste only my concentrate. When metal coils touch my oil and get hot, it seems like it always "carries" some metallic taste along with it :shrug:Not everyone can taste this, though

    Ha...the ascent was an OK vape for me... in 2013. :D It's too bad the "all glass and ceramic" airpath had so much adjacent silicon around the heated bowl. I can imagine with your sensitivity, that would completely ruin such a vape for you, while I never noticed a plastic taste on the ascent really :shrug:

    I guess that would mean that my silicon tube / glass adapters I use for my DT donuts and also flower vapes like the tubo evic would not even be an option for someone like you to use, even if the tubes don't get hot at all. Not that you vape concentrates anyways? Too bad, I do find tubes useful.

    Agreed, I don't want silicon to be used for major parts, or for large sections of the airpath where the vapor passes through to be made of silicon. It tends to absorb alot of odors, especially with flower vapor. Even if you don't notice a taste, it's not maintenance friendly. But some o-rings, seals, or a mouthpiece cover, NBD for me.

    Funny you mention about terps and silicon containers, I read another post here where some poor guy tried to use some cheap, industrially-derived terpenes to "liquidize" his rosin or shatter or whatever to use on a tank. After letting it sit for a couple days, the added terps had badly dissolved and discolored some of the gaskets and seals on the tank enough to make it leak badly :o :ugh: :disgust: Damn...that lemon pledge and turpentine is not good to mix with your concentrates, it seems pure cannabis-derived terps are the only safe and healthy option in that quixotic quest...anyways...

    Regarding the jars, whenever I buy live resin, sauce, and similar terpy extracts, they always come in little glass jars, which is necessary I suppose. I never thought about how the high terp levels could possibly break down the silicon... But the leftover oil sticking to the glass is kind of annoying. You can't really re-use glass jars to avoid this waste if the live resin you buy always comes in these jars though! :doh:

    But for stable shatters, wax, crumble, even co2 oil and distillates, those non-stick jars seem to be fine and I haven't noticed any reactions with concentrates, even for meds that have sat in a non-stick jar for over a year :hmm: I appreciate being able to scrape up every last sticky crumb and shard.

    With all our discussion about solders, silicon, etc, aren't we discussing material safety about the product, in a sense? It may be against the forum rules, but with what discretion is that rule enforced? Is enforcement "complaint-based" by the manufacturer / owner of a product or thread, or any user, reporting it to the mods? (that would be shady, like some companies' website who remove negative reviews from users :rolleyes: @Vapology? holy terp? :mad:)

    If that rule enforcement / censorship is based on the product maker being opposed to it being discussed in the thread, then I don't think that's going to matter in this case. Matt is not hyper-sensitive to legit criticism or questions about his products, I think he actually welcomes such questions. (short of an orchestrated smear campaign....)

    Forcing discussions on material safety for specific vapes to a separate, dedicated thread are like "free-speech zones" for demonstrators.... that are 2 miles away from the event / location they want to protest against :\ Yes, the discussion / speech might be allowed to go on, but it will not be read or noticed by a large majority of the interested parties, who will probably go straight to the main thread or official website / info source for the product, not some obscure corner of a sub-forum on a thread created by a concerned FC citizen :myday: :2c:

    Cool, thanks for the basic primer on the nic salts and pods. Seems like a more convenient easy way to massively, safely, huff nicotine even if clouds and flavor are not a main concern? Do nic salts make clouds at all? I can probably go look this stuff up. Just seems like it has little to no application for dabbing.

    Unfortunately, it seems many larger, less-scrupulous companies with no regard for the health of their customers are lazily (negligently?) adapting some of these "pod" type vapes for concentrates, I really don't know why cannabis vapers go along with that crap so blindly. Pax era, kandypens rubi, uncured silica-fiber wicks, nickel / nichrome heater coils on un-regulated batteries that reach up to 800F :o :rip:

    Do people not care to ask about material safety or look into better alternatives, or are they unaware of such issues or just intentionally overlook it? Or is the cute appearance and "ultimate discrete size" :rolleyes: making up for everything else?

    Sorry...rant:rant:I do like to keep up on the e-cig stuff because dabbers / vapers like us have benefited massively from the tech advancements of nicotine vapers. TC mods punctuate this point, and are probably the greatest gift they have bequeathed to us in this field :bowdown: #2? Arcticfox :D
     
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  8. 707vallejo707

    707vallejo707 NorCalLeftSideWe$tSide

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    Got mine today I am juiced. =)
     
  9. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    I have silicone containers in my drawer that have become tacky on the outside. That was my tipping point to stop using them. Yes the platinum cured ones do the same. I'm curious how residual solvents play into this as well as GRAS levels increase in places like Colorado.

    Keep in mind personal storage is only the last step in line for possible silicone leaching. Most extractors perform their "pour off" directly onto silicone coated parchment paper or silicone baking sheets where it is supersaturated with tons of hydrocarbon solvent + terpenes and most susceptible to siloxane leeching. So even those stable extracts have potentially already had an ideal opportunity to leach long before they arrive on dispensary shelves.

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    The owner of Oil Slick has this to say:

    i cringe when I see folks spraying into parchment. The matrix of silicone in common parchment paper (non-Quilon / silicone coated) is extremely fragile compared to a pad. I imagine the violence of swelling and shrinking on that scale would be tenfold compared to the effect that prompted our own change of material.
     
  10. divinetribe

    divinetribe We are trying our hardest to become Medical Grade Manufacturer

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    Discount Link for the Quart Quest

    TI wires i wrapped and installed on the Quest in this video

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  11. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    agreed TC has been an amazing gift, but certainly a DNA chip combined with Escribe woule be #2 over Arctic Fox... no? Arctic Fox is cool, but for another $10-20 one could have actual true temperature control and a VERY customizable application to dial in your vape like no other chip. i was vaping on joyetech boards since their TC mods came out and just recently upgraded to DNA. wished i had done it earlier. i can only see myself recommending these chips moving forward. dont get the DNA 75C though. the color feature on the display uses more power than most who have them like. they chew through cells bad from what i hear.

    thanks for pointing that out! :clap: and yeah ive already decided im copping this kit. definitely want to try it at least.

    i like to vape many ways. im on the move a lot so thats why im more a portable guy. that and the fact that i have kids has stopped me from owning a nail/rig at home. as nice as those dabs are im in an unfriendly state and dont want to have to explain it. anyway i guess im sayin that normally i need that on demand dab. quick and easy and looks like normal ecig equipment. but when at home i have more time for a lengthier dab. and this may be ideal since i dont own a traditional rig or enail. also this device looks nice for say a poker night with the crew. we will see.

    ahhhh ok this post explains a lot. id like to hear more from others on this subject in fact. i believe that if a metal coil is temp controlled properly that there is no metal taste. ive done side by sides with ceramic donuts and can taste zero difference. ive asks friends to do this also and get the same results. i had one friend who swore he tasted metal when he handed back the rig... only problem was that he handed me back the ceramic donut. lol. it was in his head as i suspect it is for many others. i did this testing with friends because im curious as to where the "metal is bad" stigma came from. i believe that it comes from the constant and justified concern about what we are inhaling. metal coils were use pre-TC and tasted like... well metal. so then everyone thought metal is bad or inferior as a heater for concentrates....? some MFGs playing off this fear with marketing about a "safer" heater maybe...? and no im not saying DT has done this or ever would do this, but other MFGs certainly do. IMO 316L SS will not color or degrade you oil or its flavor if it temp is controlled well. is it scientifically possible? sure i suppose, but i just dont think the wire or mesh is getting hot enough to create any degradation in flavor. its well within normal cooking temps.

    as stated i want to hear more from others on this, but obviously this isnt the thread for that discussion. im going to start a thread in the concentrate forums, soon hopefully, where this can be discussed to death.
     
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  12. tennisguru1

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  13. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    @tennisguru1... dont get me wrong the joyetech devices (joyetech, eleaf, and wismec are all joyetech products) are solid performers. and like you said can be set to get really nice performance. and this thread, and many others online like it, are a testament to that. many people use them and many people really enjoy them. i still enjoy mine.

    i wanted to clarify that i am not bashing joyetech products. they are good performers. and arctic fox is pretty great. but better can be had for not much more money. i need tonfindnthe info directly from the guys that designed arctic fox. explains how the joyetech TC is deisnged to work. and if im not mistaken he even went as far to say that installing arctic fox on these chips will not fix the work around joyetech installed in the chip. and that installing AF will not improve the functionality of the chip.

    shit.... this is off topic. sorry DT and mods! ill reach out to you in IM with that quote from AF.
     
  14. ArchVape

    ArchVape Princess of the Biscotti Republic

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    HItting the QQ on power mode 40 watts.

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  15. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Quartz Quest ordered! Is there any QQ user here who already got the Incendio kit from Vivant (which use basically the same technology) and able to compare, please?

    I understood the Incendio was not working well as a tank cause the too long heating time.....
     
  16. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    question... why load so much at once? every video ive seen shows the user load heafty dabs and then taking 2-3 pulls on it. after the first pull hasnt the remaining oil been heated enough to lose terps? arent those second and third hits less than flavorful?

    seems to me you would want to load just enough for one flavorful rip. then swab and repeat if needed... no...?
     
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  17. mrbonsai420

    mrbonsai420 I love Grass and Glass!

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    I have the incendio, It did take a while to heat up until I upped the wattage, now its a pretty solid performer. I can post a video on it's own thread later.
    I DO NOT have the QQ yet, but I do have the V3 and V2.7 as well as most other atty's out there.

    I am using the vivant Indendio at 25 -30 watts, it has a thick pancake coil underneath the quartz cup.

    My only issue with the device will be an issue with them all, the oil creeps up the side when heated on the bottom only. If only there was a way to heat the side wall too OR direct the air flow just right at the side walls so it "Blows" the oil back down to the surface where it's hot.

    I like the Incendio but I still use my V3, I would like to try the QQ too and compare for sure! I think the heating elements look bigger on the QQ , so it might be a stronger performer, yet more battery draining.

    Has anyone tried the Pied Piper Q-Bowl too? I would like to see a head-to head- to head comparison of these 3.
     
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  18. StickyShisha

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    of course i ordered a QQ, but i suspect i'll end up continuing to use a v2.5 (shallow) on a Pico as my daily driver.
     
  19. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    i wondering about this. wonder how hard it would be to heat the walls as evenly and quickly as the bottom. get some wire wrapped around it? or maybe make a ceramic cup with leads soldered on like the donuts... so the whole cup heats... then put a quartz cup inside the ceramic cup...?

    idk just spitballin here
     
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  20. florduh

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    I thought the same thing. The QQ is a big leap forward for portables, but there is still room for advancement in the wax pen space. Coils wrapped around a quartz cup like an e-nail would be amazing. Though I'm sure if it were as easy as I think... Matt would've went that way.
     
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  21. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    i suppose however that if you heat the walls then you may keep pushing that oil up and out of the cup...?
     
  22. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    I know we have strayed off topic but you guys are talking about the Terra design in the Source Terra 2 atomizer. It is a ceramic cup with wires directly soldered to the bottom so the whole cup heats up. The oil did not push up out of the cup. At that point, heat and gravity work together to keep the oil at the edges of the floor of the cup. I find to avoid dry burning during hits with any of these cup atomizers does require a larger load size.
     
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  23. Hoosier

    Hoosier Well-Known Member

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    The biggest problem with the terra is the lack of top airflow.
     
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  24. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    Not if you install it in a Divine Tribe V3 atomizer.
     
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  25. StickyShisha

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    BTW, super fast shipping again. arrived yesterday. thats like a day and a half from when i PayPal'd the payment.


    edit to add: Yes, the QQ definitely comes with a heat sink and a silicone sleeve the same size.
     
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