Discussion in 'Glass' started by sevenhundredten, Apr 29, 2018.
You have a very nice collection.
I'm tired of spending $1000s of what essentially will end up as broken glass sooner or later.
China glass does "essentially" the same thing. My Mobius functions way better, but they all still get me to the same place.
DROPPING it. Or banging it into an edge. Or dropping something ON it. Lots of ways to break glass (and I don't mean just bongs).
I don't have hundreds of dollars to buy glass. IF I did, I would be seeing a dentist ASAP and still not buying glass.
And this. To which the reply came:
Which is basically nonsense. The thread isn't about art glass, it's about (supposedly) why some people buy glass from China instead of spending 5 to 10 times as much to buy something from the US. That guy and a few others imply or come right out and say that anyone buying China glass is wrong in some way - cheap, or stupid, and the clumsy need not apply. Buy silicone, we are told. Just don't drop it.
If you want to talk about bongs as art, that's fine. That doesn't mean that anyone who isn't in the least bit interested in bongs as art are idiots or cheapskates. I have NO interest in art glass bongs whatsoever. I am buying a tool, period paragraph, and I appreciate clean lines and simplicity. That, too, is art. Just not the ostentatious ADMIRE-MY-ARTINESS type of art.
And frankly a lot of that "art glass" looks like it was churned out in the sweatshops of Cthulu. It's enough to give me nightmares when I'm NOT high, I hate to think how weirded out it would make me if I was actually smoking out of it. And remember, in the sweatshops of Cthulu, they sweat BLOOD!
Seriously. You admit right off the bat that there is little or no difference in functionality, but then you prop up your sagging premise by switching to the topic of putative "artiness" to justify spending $300 for a bong instead of $20 or $30 FOR THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY.
This wasn't really a question to start with, it was a thinly veiled criticism of people whose tastes and income level vary from that of which the OP approves. Because the answer to the question "Why do some people buy cheap glass" is pretty obvious. Because they can't afford US glass. Because a bong is basically a fragile item that ought to be considered a consumable. Because its easier and safer in some areas to buy something online that comes via USPS rather than be seen going into a head shop. Because its EASIER to buy online and DhGate has a lot of stuff on there. And lots of other reasons.
"You spend lots of money on weed stuff but you cheap out on glass" is NOT what is going on for the vast majority of us. And so what if someone who COULD afford to spend 10x as much on All-American glass chooses not to? Chances are good that the reason they have the extra money to start with is that they made a lot of choices over the years that weighed towards the function-over-form end of the scale to start with, LOL!
Its a loaded question. The answer is - because some of us want to. So what?
Something to consider
So how many folks following this thread have bought painted China glass in the last year?
Daily Vapers......why are you still not buying clear scientific China Glass?
I think many vaporists are buying clear scientific glass, but a lot of people do want colored glass. It's just important we all stay informed.
Y'all know the tune:
The problem's all inside your head she said to me
The answer's easy if you take it logically
I'll help you in your struggle to be damage free
There must be 50 ways to bang your bong up.
She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself at the risk of being crude
There must be 50 ways to bang your bong up.
50 ways to bang your bong up.
A whack makes a crack, Jack
Gets dropped by your gran, Stan
While you're jumpin' for joy, Roy
Just listen to me
It slips in the sink, Link.
You hit a bump in the car, Babar
You don't need to discuss much
Outside when its windy, Lee
Just listen to me.
She said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways
She said why don't we both browse DhGate for bongs tonight
And I believe pretty soon you will begin to see the light
Then she booted up my laptop and I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways to bang your bong up.
The pup bumps the table, Mable.
The cat knocks it off, Geof,
You stand up to quick, Rick
Just listen to me.
When you grab the remote, Colt
Falls off the hutch, Dutch
Chips in the backpack, Mack
These things just ain't free
Honestly how are you supposed to even tell where a head shop is sourcing something? I've been in many a headshop over the years and I have NEVER seen anything labeled as to source, let alone an entire section labeled "China glass".
Much safer to buy from the source from a reputable dealer. Note I stated REPUTABLE. There are several.
There are head shops that exclusively sell domestically produced products, the rapid growth in American functional glass means more and more of these kinds of stores are popping up daily. If the store owner does not know the origin of a product you are inquiring about they likely aren't ready for your business.
Which is EXACTLY why it's easier to buy direct.
Buy direct from who? Many artists prefer to not deal directly with customers and instead wholesale their art to shops to handle the business side of things. if you're referring to China glass from DHgate, I agree that works well.
No US made knock-offs there, only Chinese made stuff.
I am pretty sure,
means, buy direct from a well known/reputable US seller to get US made glass, if that is what you have to have.
NO IT DOES NOT. It means buy the same Chinese stuff the headshops are stocked with direct from Chinese manufacturers. That's how you avoid cheap Chinese painted stuff - buy buying from suppliers that you know to be reliable.
I'm not saying anyone HAS to buy from China. But if you're buying glass, the only way you are going to be sure of the safety of the source is to select it yourself. And really, the only way you'd know something was of US manufacture is STILL to go to the source of whatever kind of glass you are after yourself. It's pretty clear by now that's the only way to be sure even if you want a "name brand" like Mobius or Roor, because there's a lot of counterfeit stuff out there as well.
Maybe if you're some kind of expensive glass connoisseur YOU could tell the difference, but I sure couldn't. Heck I just want ONE bong, LOL! I don't need a room full of the stuff.
Oops, my mistake, I try to only get my glass from 3 DHgate suppliers, CCG, Populaglass and Sunshine store, and only clear stuff..
I personally won't shop either CCG or PopularGlass because of issues with defective items (and reluctance to fix same, CCG took 3 or 4 months jerking one guy around and then he STILL had to report them to DHgate to get his money back). SunshineStore and YinMing5 and one other that I recognize when I see it but cannot for the life of me remember the name right now I feel safe with. There are probably others. My knowledge/experience on this is REALLY limited.
My sidecar with matrix perc took 2 attempts and over 2 months to arrive. The first must have got lost, but PopularGlass sent me another, no questions asked and were very apologetic for the problem even though it was not their fault.
He should have opened a case after 2 months at the latest if he was not happy and DHGate would have given his money back earlier.
I have only purchased from Popularglass so I cannot comment on the other sellers, I only have them listed because of all the positive comments I have read about them. Your account is the first I have heard saying they are bad.
I would like to know your other preferred supplier, when you can remember
Yeah, I wouldn't have waited NEARLY that long either. He eventually did get his money back for the 2 pieces that were nonfunctional. The thing is he was asking for way less in the way of considerations than what it cost them to refund the entire amount of the first 2 lemons.
No way would I have tried a 3rd order, let alone spent months chasing it. But he leaned over backwards to work with them and they basically lied up one side and down the other and strung him along for 3 or 4 months, all told. REALLY bad customer service.
I don't know that Popular Glass is bad all round, certainly not as bad as the CCG horror story, but he has been difficult in some circumstances, so I just decided to go with the safer options of SunshineStore and YinMing5.
I will run across that third one eventually and probably promptly forget it again. LOL! There's a reason I'm qualified for MMJ, and it ain't because I function like a normal person.
I know its not the Kathy one. It's another one and I just ran across it yesterday and its already receded into the fog inside my head.
There have got to be others as well but its only those 2 plus the one I can't remember right now that I have read enough about to feel safe with.
At any rate DHgate is out for me. I don't have a phone and they won't let you order unless you give them your phone # "for delivery purposes". Since the stuff ends up in the USPS delivery stream when it gets stateside, and the USPS does not call people for deliveries, they don't need a phone # and I have not, in fact, supplied any online seller with a phone number in over 10 years.
Even if I had a phone, there is no way I'm giving my phone number to somebody in CHINA, LOL!
I guess you will get all that american glass for yourself then, and leave all this stupid china glass to us knuckleheads right
never heard of these horror stories, never had issues with ccg,
my last 3 orders was delivered in 3 weeks
i guess if you look at it statistically there would be a % error margin of the orders, but thats not limited to chinese people lol
Um Im in China and I dont want your info. You are just a guy without a phone lol. Many of us have purchased glass from China and survived.
There is no freakin' way I am buying "American glass" - unless you can find me a decent bubbler for $22 stateside. Which you can't. I'm poor, that's why I don't have a phone. Even a LANDLINE these days costs $75 a month. If I haven't got the money for a phone, where do you think I'll get the money for expensive "American" glass that most likely originated in China to start wtih?
Real nice, guy. Crow over someone else's misfortune and poverty.
And btw, I didn't say ANYTHING about the Chinese people. I am, in fact, one of the main supporters of buying from reputable DHGate vendors. I still am. I just can't, because - no phone. And their form REQUIRES a phone #.
What are you on about? If you actually read any significant portion of this thread you would know I am a SUPPORTER of buying via DHGate from reputable sellers.
Your post just doesn't make any sense. Unless you work for DHGate? Otherwise you're just some random guy in China that has nothing to do with anything on this whole thread.
Just give them the number to the local Pizza Hut
I dont understand you seem upset about both american and chinese glass then xD
And I agree with invertedisdead, ive used a disconnected phone number for all my orders and had no issues so far
Well I heard back from YinMing5. There is no way to get past that form requiring a phone #. So - if you have no phone, you can't order via DHGate.
Think logically. I am not AT ALL upset with "chinese glass". I am disappointed that I cannot GET the Chinese glass I want, LOL!
Actually I'm also not upset with American glass either. But I can neither identify it in a shop, nor afford it if it is actually genuine. For that matter I can't afford the grotesquely marked up Chinese glass the head shops sell, either.
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