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Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by lwien, Apr 7, 2015.

  1. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    That was @lwien - his method is unique but it works for him and I appreciate his viewpoint although I do not subscribe to it personally.
    All that is in the packs is salt and distilled water. FWIW, I have stored pounds upon pounds of medicine touching the packs and it has never done any harm. At first I wouldn't reuse the packs for fear of contamination coming from long storage but now I don't even worry about that and use them until dry. One thing I will not do is rehydrate and reuse the packs however.
     
  2. Squiby

    Squiby Well-Known Member

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    Why is that?
     
  3. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Well since there is nothing sterilizing the outside of the packs I still have a problem using them repeatedly over and over. Also, we are not sure that they still perform as they should when this is done. People have noticed that new packs outperform older ones and I think rehydrated packs may also suffer a performance decrease as well as possibly being unsanitary.
     
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  4. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    I'm a recent convert :cheers:

    I have a 60g 65rh big boy that I let dry out completely, then re-hydrated it with damp paper towels inside of a ziplock. I haven't re-used it yet, and I may not. It seems to have worked and is still intact, although you can tell that it's been through the wringer visually. I may use it if I ever over-dry a batch or something.

    Otherwise I just got a handful of the 8 gram 58's in; I use one in a pint jar and two in a quart jar.

    Highly recommended :tup:
     
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  5. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Boveda has stopped making the 58's and now recommends the 62's for herbal medicine.
    If you think your rehydrated pack looks bad to your eye, what do you think it looks like under a microscope? :zombie:
     
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  6. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    Dang it, the 58 is better imo :ninja:

    I would try for more of them, if my end-of-year vape budget wasn't non-existent (as usual).

    :shrug:
     
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  7. NoochieVape

    NoochieVape www.imminentdawning.com Manufacturer

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    Thanks for the information.
     
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  8. Amoreena

    Amoreena Grown up Flower Child

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    You might be remembering a discussion I had with @lwien further back in this thread (see May 11, 2016) about storage methods. I keep one Boveda pack in each mason/preserving jar. The strains are in their own labeled pharmacy-type vials inside the jars to keep them separated. Those vials (from the dispensary) are not air-tight so it works. :tup:

    Someone posted that I shouldn't use more than one Boveda pack in each preserving jar because the packs would then transfer moisture back and forth between each other and not keep the botanicals as well.

    Awhile after May 11, I got jars that hold 8 eighth-sized vials if organized right. One Boveda pack per jar still works fine in those larger sizes with more strains.
     
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  9. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    I found that if the material is not properly cured, then the boveda can absorb the escaping nasties(chlorophyll), then as the herb cures out, it absorbs the smell back from the boveda, which is detrimental to the taste and smell of the herb....

    This is my personal experience...

    I do not add boveda untill at least 3 months into cure...

    Also 1 boveda pack(8g) is good for an oz....
     
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  10. OldOyler

    OldOyler Fire it again. I can still find the ground.

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    Around the same here - 4 or 5 months actually, but same idea.

    And I don't use them anywhere near the initial cure (not to be argumentative with other opinions in any way). :tup:

    Curing is curing, storage is storage for me.

    And I like the 62s better - I don't add boveda packs until the caliber iv falls below 55%rh actually.

    (Been watching the discussion for quite a while, just figured I'd throw in my :2c:.)

    :peace:

    Peace all!
     
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  11. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    This is key... I had a friend who was new to growing... he used boveda for the initial dry in jars. Even though I strongly advised him against it...
    But he was too lazy to burp the jars, and was so worried about mould, he just stuck all his wet weed in jars with boveda...
    End result....amazingly it didn't mould.... But he sure did ruin his herb beyond salvage....

    Locked in the fresh nasty smell forever....

    Maybe he will do it different next time...

    No telling some people.... arrogance I suppose....
     
  12. OldOyler

    OldOyler Fire it again. I can still find the ground.

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    Thanks for bringing that up kelly.

    Curing is curing. Storage is storage.

    I don't post much because I get too darn nervous. And not to derail the thread in any way, pm me anyone thinks that I am and I'll report it and pull it down. Here goes.

    I can snip buds into a jar that will hit 62rh at 12 hours every day of the week, but as everyone with a hyrgrometer knows, days 3-7 is where some major sweating occurs. Heck I've seen 62-70-64 in a 24 hour period with no cracking of the jars. Like the moisture acts like a solar flare.

    Cigars (the original boveda use) are perfectly shaped tubes of tobacco cut the same way, and put inside a wrapper as well. (I always thought of it as wrapping some hand-loosened similar-sized bud with fan leaves - just for a visual)

    Our stuff, well...nuff said. Buds in jars.

    I have found that how you grade before putting in jars (or not, in my case, except tops) makes a difference - because every cannabis bud already has built-in, short-term bovedas in them. They're called stems.

    And that stem isn't pushing moisture out perfectly even, and even at all, every hour of the cure, and there is the outside action of the environment inside the jar causing a pulling action that draws moisture out from the stem into and through the buds. But this occurs in fits and starts.

    To find what the true rh is going to be in the jar, the stem has to reach a certain point, and nope I don't know scientifically what that is - for me, it's 55 stable for 2 weeks if cracking every 4-5 days. But I know that interfering with the jars local rh in any other way seems an interruption - great or small - to the cure. It's not done and ready for storage yet.

    Some of my most subtle pheno expressions haven't been apparent until well into month 3 of curing.

    Sorry for a long post, wanted something we could gauge objectively (hygrometer, I like the caliber iv) since our cannabis research hands tend to be tied.

    At first, I just wanted the quickest route and least amount of "jar fussing", just like your friend. I missed a *lot* and just hope to nudge somebody towards really letting their buds come alive.

    Peace everyone!

    :tup:
     
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  13. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    You shouldn't be... good post...
     
  14. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. Some times a cigar is just a cigar and nothing to agonize over.

    Cheers
     
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  15. NoochieVape

    NoochieVape www.imminentdawning.com Manufacturer

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    This is exactly what I had in my mind for myself when I set out to search for information. So are you using the plastic 8th vials that just snap shut and you squeeze the two sides to pop open?

    I really like the gran containers the places here use. They little glass containers with plastic screw lids.

    So as long as my small containers are not airtight then I'll be fine. Thanks for this! Also, do you happen to know what size your mason jar is? Is it the half gallon size?


    This is all fascinating information that is way beyond me. Luckily right now my goal is only storing my herbs from the dispensaries. I've taken a screenshot of this conversation for the future if I ever have the opportunity to grow because it's great stuff, thanks!



    Yes, this is really nice to know.
     
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  16. Amoreena

    Amoreena Grown up Flower Child

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    The vials' lids actually say "PUSH DOWN & TURN," but I doubt that's much different from the ones you squeeze and pop open.

    Two jars don't indicate size but hold four 8th vials each, plus about two full plastic/foil envelopes some dispensaries use instead of vials. Will guess they may hold a liter because the smallest of all the 5 jars is imprinted on the bottom as 0.75l and holds only three 8th vials plus one or two of those envelopes. The two biggest jars are are imprinted on the bottom as 2000 ml, which is just over a half gallon according to an on-line converter. Hope that helps. :)
     
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  17. NoochieVape

    NoochieVape www.imminentdawning.com Manufacturer

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    Ah perfect, thank you.

    If you don't mind me asking another question, in the half gallon jars are you using the 60gram packets?
     
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  18. Amoreena

    Amoreena Grown up Flower Child

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    You're welcome.

    I'm using one 8 gram packet in each jar regardless of size. They seem to be sufficient, but I'm no expert on their use. Hell, I get my meds from dispensaries and have no idea how to cure anything. As long as greenery looks healthy/pretty and medicates well, I'm satisfied.
     
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  19. NoochieVape

    NoochieVape www.imminentdawning.com Manufacturer

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    Ha, I'm with you there. Thanks for the quick responses - this was the exact information I was in search for.
     
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  20. NoochieVape

    NoochieVape www.imminentdawning.com Manufacturer

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    So I got a pack of twelve 62% packs in from Amazon and they just came in this bag.

    [​IMG]

    Won't they slowly dry out in packaging like this? I find it odd they don't come in an airtight tear package or something along the lines. How are they stored in stores or warehouses?
     
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  21. Amoreena

    Amoreena Grown up Flower Child

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    Got mine last May from Amazon, too, but in a 10-pack. I can't remember how they were wrapped. Might've been plastic like yours. :hmm: I keep the ones that aren't yet in use together in their own tiny preserving jar.

    You should be able to get better answers to your questions by contacting Boveda (they have a consumer contact email address and phone number) or maybe just looking around their site.
     
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  22. Squiby

    Squiby Well-Known Member

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    Mine came in a tear open resealable zip lock bag. Unused packs haven't seemed to deteriorate in almost a year's time.
     
  23. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    They just sit there humidifying each other in the plastic bag, so degradation should be minimal over time. I throw my bag of unused packs into a sealed mason jar, but it's probably not necessary.

    :peace:
     
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  24. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    The ziplock mine arrived in had pinholes lol, I double-bagged them they work great :tup:
     
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  25. kellya86

    kellya86 Herb gardener...

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    Like @Stu says, they are humidifying each other...
    The air exchange is minimal, and the boveda will manage it.... all depends on the outside humidity too.... If it's 58% outside, your packs would last ages out of the bag completely....

    Iv left packs out all summer and they are still fine....

    The wouldn't last more than a few days in this dry winter air now....
     
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