Discontinued Thermovape Cera

It's the sharing part that I'd worry about too. I haven't used it in a group setting.

When rolling solo or with a partner the heat is very much manageable once you learn how to use it. I still remember my very first time firing it up and being shocked how hot it got.

It's fine if you know what you're doing, it's just not something you can turn on and then dawdle around. If the power is on you should be counting 10-20 seconds if starting from cold, or just hitting it if it's already warm.

You've got it right though, when you learn to play by Cera's rules it really is a hell of a vape IMO. Check out @buchee's last post here if you haven't already.

The heat can be further managed if you remove the mouthpiece between hits, but that's only an option when around the house or so. I'm not sure how well it would do when in a group and out and about, with no good place to put it to let it cool.

Even with all the caveats, I can't pull myself away from the zirconia bowl and convective power, they make such a great combo.

From what I'm pulling from your post, the Cera doesn't have much ease of use.

This seems like a great personal portable, but not exactly one you'd bring out with a buddy or two?

Yes, I'd say there is very much a learning curve involved. I have no trouble using it with a friend who knows what they're doing, and I think you could work it with two. You'll all have to learn the ropes, though, or some might get frustrated trying to pull to hard and not getting results, or dealing with heat buildup.

However, using it with a silicone "e-cig tester" mouthpiece would help a lot there, or using it with some glass like the (presently $50) PNWT. The heat will eventually migrate down to the handle, but it's the ceramic mouthpiece that gets hot first and causes most people trouble.

I think most of the learning involved deals with not pulling too hard at the start. Using a little glass bubbler mouthpiece on it, as well as shimmying up the mouthpiece to watch the effect that a hard draw has on the glow at the start while in the dark with a mirror (the glow shines through the cart walls), helped me realize that I didn't have to pull hard on it at all to get great results.

My buddies have learned to use it. One commented that now that he knows how to hit it, he always gets powerful hits.
You just need friends that will learn.

Dr. Plutonious said:

From what I'm pulling from your post, the Cera doesn't have much ease of use.

This seems like a great personal portable, but not exactly one you'd bring out with a buddy or two?

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I disagree with the first part, once you sort it out it's easy to use and IMO quite natural. You do, however, need to use it as designed.

I fully agree it's a personal vape by intent. It was never intend otherwise IMO. While two can share it, even that much calls for compensating. It's not a party vape. Consider TV's roots are in smoking cessation and MMJ users.

But, within the design limits I don't think heat is really a big deal. The heat shield is effective, although some of us don't like it enough to use it. Sometimes I use an inch long piece of half inch silicone tube.

IMO there's a good reason for it's loyal following.

OF

OF said:

I disagree with the first part, once you sort it out it's easy to use and IMO quite natural. You do, however, need to use it as designed.

I fully agree it's a personal vape by intent. It was never intend otherwise IMO. While two can share it, even that much calls for compensating. It's not a party vape. Consider TV's roots are in smoking cessation and MMJ users.

But, within the design limits I don't think heat is really a big deal. The heat shield is effective, although some of us don't like it enough to use it. Sometimes I use an inch long piece of half inch silicone tube.

IMO there's a good reason for it's loyal following.

OF

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I have the cera EO and carry it most of the time, In my pocket. I share with friends often and dont have any heat problems. pretty sure all of the heating issues are from the LL. if you have a high tolerance get the EO and dont look back, super simple to use, mega clouds, and waaay easier to use than a persei

Its one of the two I carry when out of the house. It is the easiest to use of the two and I think the learning curve is small on use. Loading is a bit more involved, but out and about that isn’t an issue for me.

Even though it wasn’t the intent, I believe it works well as an EO vape for multiple parties. Anything used that much would get hot. That is a plus too. OF's silicon tube idea helps alot.

I think the positives far out weigh the negatives. Keep in mind this is not an everyday e-pen and is made for specialized use. Anything like this will have some learning curve like every focused tool would.

I only just realized that @Dr. Plutonious never specified LL or EO. I saw heat mentioned and just jumped on it assuming LL was in mind. So, yeah, everything in my last two posts only applies to LL, like most of my posts here. No EO cart in my holster. Sorry if that wasn't clear!

I was asking about the LL, so no worries. The EO does interest me, but it strikes me you'd need to carry a bit of oil on your if you intend to be out for awhile.

Dr. Plutonious said:

I was asking about the LL, so no worries. The EO does interest me, but it strikes me you'd need to carry a bit of oil on your if you intend to be out for awhile.

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OK I’m the out lier here. In my world its the EO not LL

A freshly loaded EO gives me plenty hits during the day. If I need more, I carry a spare EO, but have never used it.

Yes as a party vape the LL isn’t very good as OF stated. Sorry. My bad. In general even though I own a LL I don’t use it much. I use others for herb vaping, but don’t do that much. Most of mine would be the bender or the extreme-Q at home.

I've never really used oils to much extent, always been a leaf type of guy. Only dab'd on a handful of occasions. Is learning to use oil with the cera fairly straight forward?

Dr. Plutonious said:

I've never really used oils to much extent, always been a leaf type of guy. Only dab'd on a handful of occasions. Is learning to use oil with the cera fairly straight forward?

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yes, its easy. OF has several informative posts on loading and cleaning (among other members). The use is easy at least for me.

I’m the other way around. I still combust flower like I have for 40 years. So when this high tech stuff happened around me I went to herb vape and oil. Oil seemed to stay with me more. Probably didn’t try the herb vaping long enough to get it right and oil did the trick...

Each has different effects. Oil is more intense especially if dabbing so you may not like or need that

PhotoRider said:

Even though it wasn’t the intent, I believe it works well as an EO vape for multiple parties. Anything used that much would get hot.

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An excellent point (again.....). Cera EO is a true beast, if you're going to stand a chance of getting on top of it you're going to need help...... If you intend to face it down alone, best have a plan.

As shown in the early videos you can vape up a gram of oil in a couple dozen hits of heroic stature in a single run. Well maybe mortals can't but if they could, Cera EO could too.

Dr. Plutonious said:

I was asking about the LL, so no worries. The EO does interest me, but it strikes me you'd need to carry a bit of oil on your if you intend to be out for awhile.

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Understood the original conversation was about LL but EO is well worth considering if you have access to good concentrates. The core normally holds half a gram which most guys finds covers LOTS of use. That's the THC content of 1/8 ounce of top shelf bud? That should cover a lot of ground. Otherwise a pit stop is really not all that hard to deal with in most cases.

IMO for $100 buying an EO core for your LL Cera gives you lots of useful options if you can feed it.

Best wishes,

OF

PhotoRider said:

OK I’m the out lier here. In my world its the EO not LL

A freshly loaded EO gives me plenty hits during the day. If I need more, I carry a spare EO, but have never used it.

Yes as a party vape the LL isn’t very good as OF stated. Sorry. My bad. In general even though I own a LL I don’t use it much. I use others for herb vaping, but don’t do that much. Most of mine would be the bender or the extreme-Q at home.

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photorider, I just got through the recycle thread in the glass section, and you definatly like the errrl! beautiful collection man! some of the photos inspired me to step outside of the box.

So, like I mentioned a post ago, I know next to nothing about oils.

My guy sells 'budder' oil, such as 'Budder Chemo Kush', and 'dabs' such as 'dabs rockstar honey'.

Would either work in the cera? Or are 'dabs oil' just for dabs?

Again, sorry if this is straightforward. I know nothing about oil, just know I like it cause it has always done the trick.

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So, like I mentioned a post ago, I know next to nothing about oils.

My guy sells 'budder' oil, such as 'Budder Chemo Kush', and 'dabs' such as 'dabs rockstar honey'.

Would either work in the cera? Or are 'dabs oil' just for dabs?

Again, sorry if this is straightforward. I know nothing about oil, just know I like it cause it has always done the trick.

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No oil is only for dabbing, dab is just a popular term right now so everything is being called dabs. Dabbing is the act of vaping full-melt concentrates with a rig.

Alright, so the terms budder and and dabs are kinda meaningless, especially in regards tot he EO core for the cera?

Because if so, the EO core for the Cera is starting to sound pretty good.

Dr. Plutonious said:

My guy sells 'budder' oil, such as 'Budder Chemo Kush', and 'dabs' such as 'dabs rockstar honey'.

Again, sorry if this is straightforward. I know nothing about oil, just know I like it cause it has always done the trick.

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As has been pointed out, there's no FDA ratings in play here. Lots of 'salesmanship' goes on with naming. Unless you know the source, it's not at all reliable.

IMO best looked at the other way. In general lighter colored is better. As is thicker, although that could be as a result of lots of waxes and stuff you really don't want. Be suspicious of cloudy or non uniform concentrates, some guys wipe a tiny bit across white paper to judge this. I've been had a couple times with highly recommended 'taffy', fine in a bowl for blazing or on a nail, but too much residue for us, jams stuff up.

Best plan, if possible, is to run a 'foil test'. Put a small bit on a piece of foil and heat it with your lighter. You want it to melt quickly and all at once, flow freely on the foil until it all flashes off quickly and cleanly leaving no more than a tiny smudge. Anything else will foul the cart out quickly as the good stuff leaves.

In practice I often buy one each of several good looking prospects (meaning low cost and high THC content in part....another advantage of dispensaries, it's all tested for you). I then rush home to test them and return to stock up on the winner. A favorite dispensary had some lovely Sour Diesel wax at $30 then $35 a gram. I bought a bunch. A year and a half later I still have a few, sweet as ever.

Another option is making it. The new Liquidizer has a growing following. It makes BHO from available herb and you control the quality. It has legal issues, and serious safety concerns, which thankfully I can avoid by taking advantage of the excellent, proven, offerings at the dispensaries. I've also developed a fondness for CO2 oils, and this is a Butane system (as are perhaps half the total oils out there?).

I'd think long and hard about that EO cart. Feed it right and it will astound you. Guys have been known to retire their nails and torches.

Best wishes.

OF

Soflo said:

photorider, I just got through the recycle thread in the glass section, and you definatly like the errrl! beautiful collection man! some of the photos inspired me to step outside of the box.

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Thank you so much for the kind words. As a user - my thanks is to you blowers and Herb/EO vape equipment providers that make my life interesting. Its a win-win for all and the way business should be done.

Concerning oil - i.e BHO Butane Hash/Honey Oil. They are full melts. There are others such as Pure Gold (which is lab created) or CO2 oil, but lets talk BHO.

Shatter is the first form of BHO from my understanding. It is also the form the BHO should be to verify proper purge of the extract solution - here its butane. When oil is properly purged it becomes shatter and at room temp breaks apart like peanut brittle . This is caused by a chemical change once the butane is mostly gone - gone well enough.... (I was informed about this from several BHO processors local to me - I have no first hand knowledge, but I trust these people and one is a FC member). So going through shatter first is the best feedback system to know the butane is purged.

After that all the other forms can be made from the shatter by many other names to describe the look and feel - budder, crumble, etc. The more processed stuff shows the blondness more. The color helps to inform you if other things are in the oil that don’t vape away or contaminates - plant material etc. That is where OF's foil test is used to find that out. Any BHO in any form can be used, but the cleaner the better since it leaves junk and clogs the cart. Nails etc are not effected the same...


If you get the BHO from an outside source and its not shatter - its real hard to understand the level of purge. You can skip the shatter verification step and process it into the other forms before its fully purged and its hard to tell in those states if it has been purged. That is why I typically just get shatter now adays. Leaving it out in the air turns it into budder just from the air moisture around here... I hate getting some crumble and finding out in use it wasn’t purged well. Corners cut in the process for the sake of throughput/volume. Purging takes time.

PhotoRider said:

So going through shatter first is the best feedback system to know the butane is purged.

After that all the other forms can be made from the shatter by many other names to describe the look and feel - budder, crumble, etc. The more processed stuff shows the blondness more. The color helps to inform you if other things are in the oil that don’t vape away or contaminates - plant material etc. That is where OF's foil test is used to find that out. Any BHO in any form can be used, but the cleaner the better since it leaves junk and clogs the cart. Nails etc are not effected the same...

If you get the BHO from an outside source and its not shatte.r - its real hard to understand the level of purge. Purging takes time.

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Wow!

Very well explained!

To get to the consistency of SHATTER it must be purged!

$90/gram pretty common for a good shatter.
$40/gram for a crumble can be found with no quarantines?

Not everyone has a vacuum purging set up!

I love WAXES = BLONDE well purged is worth the effort when you use something other than a flame!

itll be nice if other sites sold thermovape cera too, maybe itll finally become a bit cheaper.

420time said:

itll be nice if other sites sold thermovape cera too, maybe itll finally become a bit cheaper.

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Nope sorry to be the bearer of bad news but they have stated that this won't be happening as they are operating on such a small profit margin as it is, if they discounted for wholesale they would make a loss. Unfortunately due to the extremely expensive product used to make the Cera the CERA I believe the price will only be going in one direction... Up caused by annual increases in price of the zirconia ceramic. TET may absorb some of this but evety ones gotta put food on the table so I wouldn't hold your breath.
I hear there are a couple in the cclassifieds section (can't imagine why) you should check there.
edit: not mine I absolutely love it

R

yeaa even in classifieds they arent that cheaper, and proballly been used since the prototypes.

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yeaa even in classifieds they arent that cheaper, and proballly been used since the prototypes.

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Then too bad Not sure what you mean by "used since the prototypes" but they won't drop in price, so used is your only answer. Or just finding another vape that fits your price point.

Creating a thread about it, and asking here at the same time, won't get you different answers.

i mean i would like to buy a new EO cera but what really sucks is you have to purchase the battery and charger as an additional fee.