jambandphan03
in flavor country
suuuuuublimaaaaaaaatooooorrrrrrrr 
settling into a nice little groove now... good nite all, see ya in the funny papers.
settling into a nice little groove now... good nite all, see ya in the funny papers.
Discontinued The Sublimator
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Airlesscoma
The key is balance
Been lurkin around for awhile, just wanted to say the sublimator looks like its going to be the next member of my paraphernalia family when I can afford it 
The more time I spend with the Sub the more I like it. It hits hard and it hits fast. Finding the right temperatures seems to be key with this vape. I got lucky the first session and landed at the upper limits just barely avoiding combustion. Experimenting with the dial yielded some improvements, but it wasn't until I marked the dial incrementally 1-10 that I've really been nailing the perfect vapor for my preference. Right now that's 6.5 on my crudely numbered dial, which might fluctuate depending on how long the unit has been on and the ambient room temperature. A borderline blue-white vapor with medium golden browned herb. Delicious!
The Sub's implementation of the Heat Transfer Holy Trinity makes for some really fast and thorough extractions. I don't know if that's also why the vapor seems to be so visible, but I sure do enjoy a well-milked bong.
Now that I'm getting the hang of it, it's simply fun to use. Large loads (0.2g+) are fun but do seem to require stirring to achieve the most even browning. I get the feeling less is more with this vape and I'm really impressed at how well it does with even the smallest loads. Very even browning sans stirring with ~0.1g or less. A PD sized load of ~0.06g vapes beautifully, and I'd hit that amount in the Sub over a log vape any day of the week if a bong rip is what I wanted.
I have to say, all the secondary discussion about the atomizer and its effects still have me scratching my head. Yes I do find Sub's vapor to be very smooth, even without water, but I've also been using water filtration for ages and sometimes you forget how nice something can be. I used the Cloud dry for the last few sessions and in my highly unscientific opinion it was really smooth too, and of course, exquisitely flavorful. The Sub gets me plenty medicated, but I'm not so sure I'd say more so than if I'd vaped the same load in another vape until reaching the same level of extraction. It feels like the Sub just does it super fast, and sometimes one massive hit can lift you higher than if you split it in two. If you like depleting a load in one hit you'll like this vape.
More experimentation is definitely needed. Keep up the great feedback, you sexy Subbin' scientiƧts.
@Slightly Medicated I'm wondering if your temperature dial could be wonky. If it's always not-enough-and-then-*boom*-too-much I wonder if you're not getting the full power range. Do you find that you don't have much range in browning capability before you hit combustion? Maybe you could set the unit on max power and plug it into an auxiliary dimmer to test.
I'm still a rank amateur with this vape, but here are a couple tips that I've found help give me the best results. Nothing ground breaking but they might help a new user.
Question for Enrico, sorry if this has already been answered: What type of heater is inside the Apollo? Can you give us some details on the Apollo's inner geometry?
The Sub's implementation of the Heat Transfer Holy Trinity makes for some really fast and thorough extractions. I don't know if that's also why the vapor seems to be so visible, but I sure do enjoy a well-milked bong.
Now that I'm getting the hang of it, it's simply fun to use. Large loads (0.2g+) are fun but do seem to require stirring to achieve the most even browning. I get the feeling less is more with this vape and I'm really impressed at how well it does with even the smallest loads. Very even browning sans stirring with ~0.1g or less. A PD sized load of ~0.06g vapes beautifully, and I'd hit that amount in the Sub over a log vape any day of the week if a bong rip is what I wanted.I have to say, all the secondary discussion about the atomizer and its effects still have me scratching my head. Yes I do find Sub's vapor to be very smooth, even without water, but I've also been using water filtration for ages and sometimes you forget how nice something can be. I used the Cloud dry for the last few sessions and in my highly unscientific opinion it was really smooth too, and of course, exquisitely flavorful. The Sub gets me plenty medicated, but I'm not so sure I'd say more so than if I'd vaped the same load in another vape until reaching the same level of extraction. It feels like the Sub just does it super fast, and sometimes one massive hit can lift you higher than if you split it in two. If you like depleting a load in one hit you'll like this vape.
More experimentation is definitely needed. Keep up the great feedback, you sexy Subbin' scientiƧts.
@Slightly Medicated I'm wondering if your temperature dial could be wonky. If it's always not-enough-and-then-*boom*-too-much I wonder if you're not getting the full power range. Do you find that you don't have much range in browning capability before you hit combustion? Maybe you could set the unit on max power and plug it into an auxiliary dimmer to test.
I'm still a rank amateur with this vape, but here are a couple tips that I've found help give me the best results. Nothing ground breaking but they might help a new user.
- Find your perfect temperatures.
- Take a few sessions to find and set your perfect temperature. As mentioned above, it really helps if you number your dial. It will take ~5 minutes for the heat to stabilize after an adjustment. The experience improves dramatically when you hit your temperature sweet spot.
- Don't rush the warm up.
- Without doing any testing, I'd guess that you should wait 30 minutes for the unit to fully heat up from a cold start. You can vape before that, but as with many vapes, better hits can be achieved if you give it time to really saturate itself in heat.
- You can turn it up really high for 5-10 minutes and then back it down if you're in a hurry, but you might not always get the same result unless you're carefully timing things.
- Heat it up fully assembled.
- Apollo inserted into the lower atomizer section so that all components get as evenly hot as they're going to from the heat transfer.
- Leave the screen in too so it heats up and you don't have to look for it when it's time to launch.
- Don't delay.
- Lift the Apollo off the lower section.
- Dump your herb in the bowl (a tiny spoon or folded piece of paper helps a lot).
- Reinsert the Apollo.
- Take your hit right away.
- You don't have to be Flash Gordon, but don't leave the top off for 60 seconds and let the lower section cool off.
- The herb starts vaporizing through conduction and radiation the instant it's touching the screen/bowl.
Question for Enrico, sorry if this has already been answered: What type of heater is inside the Apollo? Can you give us some details on the Apollo's inner geometry?
Just wanted to chime in on the screens ... I have some extra Sublimator stock screens as well as some Ultra Fine PV screens and I just tried the PV screens for 2 sessions and found it MUCH harsher than with the stock Sublimator screens, which I've switched back to and its much smoother again. I've gotten the hang of wedging the screen in the right place ... just drop it down until it swivels in the right spot (while the atomizer is in 2 pieces and then poke up the side that is swiveled down until it wedges ... you can adjust back and forth between wedging one side from the bottom then the other from the top to get it even. If I push it down after it swivels it will drop all the way, and some of my screens depending how they drop in will automatically drop all the way, but they all can be wedged at the right spot with a little finesse.
Hey vtac ... excellent review/tutorial
Hey vtac ... excellent review/tutorial
Dr. Plutonious
Well-Known Member
Does anyone feel they have had enough experience on this vape to compare it's pros and cons to the Cloud?
I saw that G2B did a couple very nice posts comparing them. I saw stickstones also did a brief one as well. Does anyone else have some opinions to add to this?
I saw that G2B did a couple very nice posts comparing them. I saw stickstones also did a brief one as well. Does anyone else have some opinions to add to this?
Did you read my posts? To me the Cloud and the Sub are both excellent big hitters for the arsenal. The Cloud provides the purity of flavor that can only be achieved by an all glass heat system, IME. The Sub excels at really fast extractions since it makes great use of the Heat Transfer Holy Trinity. I find that the Cloud cooks a little more evenly with big loads of 0.2g+, and an edge goes to the Sub with meaningful extraction from really small loads (0.05g). Both give you huge rips, but the Sub goes from 0-60 a bit faster.
Both are pretty easy to use once you get the hang of them. Personally I'd say the Cloud is a bit more user friendly in its design. They're two different beasts, each with their own personalities. If you're looking for a clear winner, you won't find one here or with any two vapes. It comes down to personal preference, and that's why you'll find so many of us with a collection of vapes.
... It comes down to personal preference, and that's why you'll find so many of us with a collection of vapes.
So true, and well said. I know not everyone can afford more than one vape, but when you do start going down that path you do begin to realize how impossible it is to create that one special vape for everyone.
Edit: Sorry folks, video is pushed back a few days. Still waitn' for the man
i liked your f
and it is a stainless steel and ceramic
did eanyone tried holding the hit in for a few sec ?????????
let's try this one ,the mass of the bowl is screwed to the.mass of the down stem,plus the atomizer, all that mass radiating around the non mass 90/10 cause fragmentation of your vapour .more molecule more to see thicker cloud .you can quote me on that claim
and it is a stainless steel and ceramic
did eanyone tried holding the hit in for a few sec ?????????
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
I always hold my hits in for at least 12 seconds, max is probably 30 for keif and bubble... like to hold those in longer. If I can exhale and not see much vapor then I know I had a good rate of absorption.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I always hold my hits in.
I'm gonna get into this more later when I have more time, but this vape is a different animal than anything else I have. And if you were asking me for advice, I would get the full kit that enrico has put together with the base and the tube and all that shit. I'll show you my ghetto rig later, but basically he has lived with the thing and his setup seems to have thought of everything.
Eh, fuck it...I'll put the pics up now.
Basically, Sub vs. Mobius...Sub wins:
Totally my fault...just got too comfortable with a new rig I shouldn't have. Ironically, my first thought wasn't to scream about my bubbler, but rather was how am I gonna hit the sub now? That was my focus...it's either that good or I am a fucked up guy or both. I hit it with the cloudbuddy plugged into my GVG like a jhook...should have gotten a pic of that madness. Then I remembered a piece of shit bong I had outside and made this rig, imitating enrico...
The bong is held down by elastics hooked to screws and the cans are screwed in...one for the atomizer and one for the Apollo. The cord is held down by elastics as well, This was key, as moving the cord is what destroyed the matrix, so keeping the cord held down allows me to unplug the unit without worrying about the Apollo unit moving. I should have a glass extender here tomorrow that will allow me to start collecting the reclaim in my cloudbuddy.
The last time I completely changed my routine and built shit for a vape was the Cloud when it was in beta. That alone tells me I like this thing.
I'm gonna get into this more later when I have more time, but this vape is a different animal than anything else I have. And if you were asking me for advice, I would get the full kit that enrico has put together with the base and the tube and all that shit. I'll show you my ghetto rig later, but basically he has lived with the thing and his setup seems to have thought of everything.
Eh, fuck it...I'll put the pics up now.
Basically, Sub vs. Mobius...Sub wins:
Totally my fault...just got too comfortable with a new rig I shouldn't have. Ironically, my first thought wasn't to scream about my bubbler, but rather was how am I gonna hit the sub now? That was my focus...it's either that good or I am a fucked up guy or both. I hit it with the cloudbuddy plugged into my GVG like a jhook...should have gotten a pic of that madness. Then I remembered a piece of shit bong I had outside and made this rig, imitating enrico...
The bong is held down by elastics hooked to screws and the cans are screwed in...one for the atomizer and one for the Apollo. The cord is held down by elastics as well, This was key, as moving the cord is what destroyed the matrix, so keeping the cord held down allows me to unplug the unit without worrying about the Apollo unit moving. I should have a glass extender here tomorrow that will allow me to start collecting the reclaim in my cloudbuddy.
The last time I completely changed my routine and built shit for a vape was the Cloud when it was in beta. That alone tells me I like this thing.
Enrico, can adapt a bong users buy the parts to build the glass tube kit you sell?
stickstones
Vapor concierge
they are listed on his website (not PV's) as coming soon. even with my ghetto rig, hitting it is not quite natural. I have to tilt the rig back a little bit...I need to incorporate the whip like he has. that would complete the experience, I think.
Jazzah
Well-Known Member
Just aced my Realism exam (eat that Dickens, Eliott, Howells and James). 5 more days till I can finally use my sublimator and do an in-depth review and comparison against the Herborizer. I had my girlfriend hit the sub yesterday. I turned the heater all the way to max and then, putting my nail into to outmost rib on the 'max' side turned it back about 2/3 (of an entire turn from 'max' to 'off' side). It ended up half combusting (abv looking dark dark brown/blackish). My girl coughed up a lung but the weirdest thing was the fact that the smoke & bong and ABV smelled really burned, not even like ganja ... Can't get her to try it again, she <3 the herbo. I'd cleaned the atomiser with iso before she tried it and gave it over an hour on max to burn any other residu off. I also cleaned the 'dab holes' on the apollo (just turned a cotton swab with iso around and then turned a dry one around again, there was a lot of black stuff coming out. after that I let it go on max for half an hour again to burn of any possible left overs). I'll try a whole turn on the temp dail when I test it in 5 days. I'll be cleaning the atomiser and the bong with iso again before I do and I really hope that unpleasant smell was a result of combusting.Anyone that accidently ended up combusting had a similar experience (something like a taste/smell way worse then when you would just burn the herb in a regular bong with a lighter?
Sorry to hear you won't be getting one...but I don't think this sort of accident is exclusive to the sublimator. Yes, the user has to be more careful as it's a hot hunk of steel, but clouds can be dropped and their glass broken, my ssv can have glass parts shatter, etc, etc...it's all just part of the fun
I don't buy expensive glass because I know I am a klutz and I would find ways to break it.
Look, I'm not saying I won't buy one because you can have an accident. There are actually MANY reasons,, but I don't want to "get in trouble", so I won't explain my reasoning. That said, all the reasons have already been mentioned here. This one is just not for me, thats all. It is an entertaining, thread, however
Look, I'm not saying I won't buy one because you can have an accident. There are actually MANY reasons,, but I don't want to "get in trouble", so I won't explain my reasoning. That said, all the reasons have already been mentioned here. This one is just not for me, thats all. It is an entertaining, thread, however
Sorry, not trying to pick you out of the crowd specifically, just trying to put things into perspective for new visitors to this thread. After owning a sublimator for almost a week, I can safely say it is isn't as scary and dangerous as some might come to believe. Especially in comparison to other vapes.
vakedcow
Gentle cow vaper and halloween kiddo
uhh around 0:20 he said timer for 220 and 110..... guess he means the timer box takes both voltages now, that makes me a happy cow
Edit: wording, spelling
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I haven't spent one minute suffering over the Mobius. I'm real clear that my passion is the plant and the rest of this stuff is just replaceable tools and toys.
I've been using it dry except for two bowls with my friend the other night. If I'm gonna hit it like that then who cares what piece of glass it goes through. Why not just get something shitty or unbreakable for this beast? I'll bet the steel concept's pairs well with it. I'm already very proficient at setting up and breaking down my rig. The real key is that cord holder because the cord easily shifts the Apollo's weight when moved.
I really hope people don't conclude against the Sub because of my broken glass. The point of that post was that I like this unit beyond that and, instead of running to my old faithfuls, I forged ahead to set this thing up right, mimicking what enrico has already designed and produced. Get one...I just suggest the kits instead of the adapt-a-bongs.
I've been using it dry except for two bowls with my friend the other night. If I'm gonna hit it like that then who cares what piece of glass it goes through. Why not just get something shitty or unbreakable for this beast? I'll bet the steel concept's pairs well with it. I'm already very proficient at setting up and breaking down my rig. The real key is that cord holder because the cord easily shifts the Apollo's weight when moved.
I really hope people don't conclude against the Sub because of my broken glass. The point of that post was that I like this unit beyond that and, instead of running to my old faithfuls, I forged ahead to set this thing up right, mimicking what enrico has already designed and produced. Get one...I just suggest the kits instead of the adapt-a-bongs.
Darb
Well-Known Member
I'm much better at subbing than writing but here we go:
I've had my Sublimator turned on since I've got it. (When at home or awake)
I can see how you may burn yourself but I haven't. I have mistakenly touched atomizer but no actual burn.
I'm using it in an inexpensive Blaze glass piece.
Compared to my other home vapes, I worry least about this one breaking itself or the glass.
The Sub minus glass would be my first choice for taking to a friends house for ease of portability.
I haven't used another vape since I got the Sub either.
Compared to others I own, the Sub is easiest to load and clean.
The taste is good but not as good as the Cloud for me.
The switch could use some markings/numbers.
It ability to do concentrates is awesome.
The reclaim potential is also a feature that makes the Sub my new favourite.
I've had my Sublimator turned on since I've got it. (When at home or awake)
I can see how you may burn yourself but I haven't. I have mistakenly touched atomizer but no actual burn.
I'm using it in an inexpensive Blaze glass piece.
Compared to my other home vapes, I worry least about this one breaking itself or the glass.
The Sub minus glass would be my first choice for taking to a friends house for ease of portability.
I haven't used another vape since I got the Sub either.
Compared to others I own, the Sub is easiest to load and clean.
The taste is good but not as good as the Cloud for me.
The switch could use some markings/numbers.
It ability to do concentrates is awesome.
The reclaim potential is also a feature that makes the Sub my new favourite.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Then darb is the smart one here! doing that alone might have saved my glass.
darb...I'm with you. I haven't used anything else yet, either...I hope I get my extender today to start the reclaim process!
darb...I'm with you. I haven't used anything else yet, either...I hope I get my extender today to start the reclaim process!