Discontinued The Sublimator

[Old School]

Yes, that picture explains the process in the device well and why it should work like advertised.
I can see this can be very powerful performer, yet unlucky escpecially with its advertising (sublimation) in its first thread.
It was said to go beyond vaporization by doing sublimation. Seems like half true to me now.
This probably goes innovatively beyond current vaporization, but differently.
The picture shows it uses powerful vortex of hot air to vaporize (similar to Cloud) and then destroy the large particles in vapor into smaller in the atomizer.
I think the Cloud beat this in taste, cleanliness, ergonomics and looks. Probably in heat consistency and less drag?
The sublimator sems to go beyond vaporization and therefore beat everything else including Cloud in absorbtion rate of vapor it makes.
So it seems to make the vapor more "gasey". Yet this doesn't make it sublimation.

Vaporization: Liquid -> Gas
Sublimation: Solid -> Gas

Traditional vapes: Solid -> Liquid -> Aerosol
The Sublimator: Solid -> Liquid -> Aerosol -> Gas

So we can see that even traditional vapes aren't actually vapes either. They start with solid (mostly).
Sublimator can seem like sublimating if looking at it like a black box. inside it does several different processes to achieve similar goal.

I know this is an older post but I just had to thank Seek for this explanation... I have been wondering what all the hub bub was....really was that it I was getting the impression it was going to be something bad or immoral..... I'm beginning to feel for the guy....whom anyone can see and feel is very passionate about his new discovery....as I know I would be....
So ty Seek for this ....I really like the black box way of viewing it {goes in -> comes out} I did however in my mind replace "Aerosol" with vapor, I often feel when we call or label something....is it that important to get the definition correct...or should it be more important that we all know what it is actually referring to {that soothing white yumminess we love to inhale}

So I see this as a very interesting innovation. This is not a sublimator, just a vape - innovated to make the vapor finally absort faster. While still delivering strong performance as heavy hitters.
I think many people are put off by vaporization just because of this property of traditional vapor. Probably the innovation could change this.

I know I have 11 more pages to finish reading yet but thus far.... I am very interested in this device and more so this approach of "Super Charging" the vapor before intake.....sounds excitingly efficient...
Now it might have something to do with my living down here in the good old USA capitalist pool but I have witness a great many creative marketing stretches and or tie ins and IMO calling / selling this device as a sublimation "box" it kinda sort in the end does....so why not....I know I wanna try me a little bit of whatever this baby has to offer......
I'm also secretly hope that some of the other manufacturers will be able to look at adding a Super Charging phase into tomorrow's vaporizers....

mod note: Edited to fix quote tags.

 

[Buildozer]

It's not a matter of appearing polite. It's BEING polite. If you're , then perhaps this forum isn't suited for you?...

you can also BE polite and APPEAR un-polite.. subjective right? it's not un-polite to ask tough questions though... Enrico will either have clear answers for tougher questions, or he won't. and if not, it may seem he is being bullied into looking like a liar. i think that's more what timothy meant by how it may be difficult to 'appear polite'.. i wouldn't assume he meant he had to fake politeness. i guess we'll see.

.......It's clear that something is different about the Sublimator and we're all trying to answer what and how. Perhaps Enrico isn't 100% certain what is occurring either, but maybe together with our inquiring minds and his obvious knowledge of the innards of his own creation we can come to a logical, foolproof conclusion and thusly understand exactly how the Sublimator is different from the average vaporizer.

if you removed the atomizer.. what would you have?? a vaporizer... it appears that's the difference.

I think the best way to approach it would be to stick to questions strictly relating to the device and launch here. There is a sublimation science thread, where any general science behind the device questions should probably be asked. IF Enrico is interested, he's obviously more than welcome there to give explanations/etc on a larger scale but the vape thread itself probably isn't the best forum for it. Seems like a much larger chance for shitstorm to brew when the conversation turns that way....

IMO if the questions are polite, and about his vape/how his vape 'actually' works.. the questions are more than appropriate here, in his vapes thread. also questions about the science behind the 'device', seems to fall under the category of the 'device'. i don't see a need to ignore the 'actual' science of his device here.. which is Vapor Atomization.. IMO at this point, we can ignore the science of sublimation though.

 

[Darb]

So is it only the Sublimator kit that collects the oil?
Or does the Apollo collect it as well?

 

[stickstones]

I think we are past the point of taking issue with the name here. Everyone is on the same page that sublimation is not what is taking place. Conversation about the science of sublimation can go in the other thread. Questions about this vape can go here, but forget about sublimation. I think it is better if we try to understand this vape without the pretext of sublimation (the name makes this hard at first, obviously!).

In the end, we (the mods) will make it clear as to what is appropriate and expected in this thread by our moderation. There are several of us in here almost constantly making sure members aren't crossing the line. All you have to do is 'be nice'.

 

[that herb guy]

IMO at this point, we can ignore the science of sublimation though.

That's really all I was driving at. I agree, any direct questions about the actual device and what's going on more than pertinent. Anyone disagreeing on the science behind the device (sublimation itself) and wanting to debate what is actually happening should seek that info in the other thread so as not to pollute this one. That's all.

Edit: Guess I should have hit the update button. Sticks said it much better than me.

Enrico got the forum goin' nuts.

 

[Tweek]

I'm just here looking for a better way to get medicated

 

[stickstones]

based on the diagram, both units would collect reclaim, I think.

 

[smokum]

I'm looking forward to established members here to be doing the vid reviews (looking at YOU Tweek ) before I can make (afford to) a decision.

I'm also interested on how things mate up (to use my own 'small' bubs) as I can't tell the length of the atomizer (?) I'm concerned that it won't fit. That and 2 of my bubs are 14mm male joints that wld require an adapter.

Also, my hits are micro hits due to my bronchs (both herb & dabs), and even though I believe this possible with the Sub I still wonder if the expansion in my lungs will be too much.

 

[vakedcow]

This thread is a good read as I find vaporizing already a great life improvment I'm really intrested in this device

Great infos so far, thanks everyone.

As mentioned before Enrique seems so convincing in the videos, it just must be good ... or maybe it's just me that want's more magic equipment

I was lurking in the cloud thread and started to save some money and now as the cloud will be off some time I'm tempted to switch for a order of the Sublimator ...
but I guess I'll should rather wait for a 220 V version that works directly in my power outlet... I hate step up / down transformers back from my youth when they always gave in and destroyed valuable electronics like game consoles and computers....
that should also give me a chance to wait for more reviews

 

[Darb]

Anybody know anything about the "grill and moon tool" that comes with the full kit?
It's for cleaning the unit and reclaiming oil but has it been shown in any of the videos?

 

[Buildozer]

I'm just here looking for a better way to get medicated

i have faith the sublimator will get you medicated better.. ~a week ago set up a simple experiment w/ vapor atomization, and i have seen positive results IMO.

 

[VaporEyes]

So is it only the Sublimator kit that collects the oil?
Or does the Apollo collect it as well?

I think having the intended unit would maximize your reclaim potential. Not to say that you can't get it with other means however. With the Sublimator body, you can break it down into small parts for easy access to the reclaim. Want to try and break up one of your glass pieces to get that "sublimate"? ....

 

[Tweek]

I'd probably just rinse my glass with alcohol if I were doing dry hits.

 

[green2brown]

i have faith the sublimator will get you medicated better.. ~a week ago set up a simple experiment w/ vapor atomization, and i have seen positive results IMO.

How do you feel the results differ from typical vaporization? This is the info we need!

 

[VaporEyes]

I'd probably just rinse my glass with alcohol if I were doing dry hits.

Wouldn't that be considered a degradation of it though? "Sublimate" is the supposed "purest" form of oil, after all.

 

[Tweek]

Wouldn't that be considered a degradation of it though? "Sublimate" is the supposed "purest" form of oil, after all.

Meh, as long as it gets me where I need to be

 

[Buildozer]

How do you feel the results differ from typical vaporization? This is the info we need!

A LOT smoother.. super smooth.. smooth enough to rip dry no prob.. it definitely seemed to break the vapor up. felt more deeply medicated in the body than usual.. seemed to last a noticeable amount longer.. the high felt clean IMO. it was hard to judge the flavor, because the herb i was using wasn't that impressive in that area.. it was actually smoother w/ the restriction and no water, than the same vape through water w/o restriction. its worth trying out for yourself, if you can rigg something up. i'd be interested to hear how others feel about it, based on such a simple experiment. still, i wanna rip the hell outta that sublimator though.

 

[VaporEyes]

Meh, as long as it gets me where I need to be

Indeed
For those interested in having the greatest sublimate reclaim possibilities, go with the "refinery" kit(aka. the full kit). Even without this though, reclaim should still be viable... with a little more extraction involved.

 

[Tweek]

That kit is sweet...especially with the glass tube

Edit: You can also add half a cup of water to the kits tube.

 

[that herb guy]

Just got to thinking, I wonder if it would be possible to hook this up to a cheap little aquarium pump and have it draw hits for you. The small diameter tube and videos make it look like it takes quite a bit of lungpower to milk a hit, I'm just not sure the air pump would have the draw speed required for a good hit without burning the load. I assume due to the hits that the actual metal bits are at least close to combustion temperatures, but the draw speed keeps everything light. The pump might be beneficial for anyone with respiratory issues if it would work.

 

[pakalolo]

Just got to thinking, I wonder if it would be possible to hook this up to a cheap little aquarium pump and have it draw hits for you. The small diameter tube and videos make it look like it takes quite a bit of lungpower to milk a hit, I'm just not sure the air pump would have the draw speed required for a good hit without burning the load. I assume due to the hits that the actual metal bits are at least close to combustion temperatures, but the draw speed keeps everything light. The pump might be beneficial for anyone with respiratory issues if it would work.

Milking the Sublimator was easy, you don't need to draw that hard. Clearing it was the killer for me. I don't do big hits so I just couldn't pull it all in.

 

[that herb guy]

Did you hit through the capped tube with the whip on it? That specifically was the one I was thinking would be pretty rough on the lungs. If not that's awesome, I guess it just looks intensive from the videos. For some reason I was imagining a super thick milkshake draw, but high speed LOL.

 

[pakalolo]

Did you hit through the capped tube with the whip on it? That specifically was the one I was thinking would be pretty rough on the lungs. If not that's awesome, I guess it just looks intensive from the videos. For some reason I was imagining a super thick milkshake draw, but high speed LOL.

Yes, that's the version I tried. The draw seemed easy to me, but it was just one hit and my memory of events immediately following are hazy for some reason.

 

[Darb]

Yes, that's the version I tried. The draw seemed easy to me, but it was just one hit and my memory of events immediately following are hazy for some reason.

How would the hit density compare to the Cloud? (Assuming you've tried one)
How was the harshness compared to other vapes? It seems smooth in the videos.

 

[VaporEyes]

Some of the older videos.​

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