Volcano

[luchiano]

side by side cloud and 'cano

Good video, but to make it more even, I think you should start out with the volcano at 400 just like the cloud. Being that the cloud is extracting at 400f from the start of the sessions, it will release more substances giving a thick vapor. Being that you had different temperatures using the volcano, the bags weren't as thick as they would have been if you started out at 400f like the cloud.

Also, you raised the temperature up a little on the cloud towards the end. You should do the same with the volcano.

Good work, though.

 

[aj0125]

To order the Cano.... or to not....? Help. lol

There are plenty of Volcano haters out there, but I absolutely love mine. I couldn't imagine using another home unit. I love filling up a bag and wandering around the house. I've had mine over 7 years it has been on most of that time and still works like the day I bought it.

 

[hoptimum]

There are plenty of Volcano haters out there, but I absolutely love mine. I couldn't imagine using another home unit. I love filling up a bag and wandering around the house. I've had mine over 7 years it has been on most of that time and still works like the day I bought it.

The only real downside is the price. If thats not a problem, buying a Cano is a no brainer. It will perform as advertised every single time. Its the mercedes benz of vapes.

 

[lwien]

The only real downside is the price. If thats not a problem, buying a Cano is a no brainer. It will perform as advertised every single time. Its the mercedes benz of vapes.

See, it's comments like these that drive many of us here a bit nuts for the comments are TOTALLY false. The Cano is NOT a no-brainer for their are many, including myself, that wouldn't buy a 'Cano if it was half the price that it is. Not everyone likes sucking on bags to get their vapor.

Same with the Mercedes Benz analogy. If someone had the dollars to invest in a Mercedes, there are many who would never get one simply because they would prefer to drive something else.

Is it the Mercedes of bag vapes? You betcha.

 

[hoptimum]

See, it's comments like these that drive many of us here a bit nuts for the comments are TOTALLY false. The Cano is NOT a no-brainer for their are many, including myself, that wouldn't buy a 'Cano if it was half the price that it is. Not everyone likes sucking on bags to their vapor.

Same with the Mercedes Benz analogy. If someone had the dollars to invest in a Mercedes, there are many who would never get one simply because they would prefer to drive something else.

Is it the Mercedes of bag vapes? You betcha.

I stand by my analogy. For someone in the market for sturdy, reliable transportation that will provide years of faithful service, the German made Mercedes is an obvious choice. Same goes for the Volcano. Its sturdy, reliable and virtually maintenance free. Like mercedes, most volcanos continue to function as well as they ever did after over a decade of regular daily use. I am unaware of very many vaporizers that can make that claim. Like the mercedes benz its not for everyone. Some people want something sexier and with more horsepower. To each their own. For its class it is simply the best. I dont see why you are so incensed by those who like the volcano. It is what it is and if you dont like it, no one is making you buy one.

 

[lwien]

I dont see why you are so incensed by those who like the volcano. It is what it is and if you dont like it, no one is making you buy one.

Incensed is a pretty strong word. Not incensed. Just a bit dismayed.

And, I am SURELY not incensed or even dismayed at those that like the Volcano. What I am dismayed about is the idea that just because YOU like the 'Cano, it automatically means that everyone else will as well, and THAT is simply not true.

 

[hoptimum]

Incensed is a pretty strong word. Not incensed. Just a bit dismayed.

And, I am SURELY not incensed or even dismayed at those that like the Volcano. What I am dismayed about is the idea that just because YOU like the 'Cano, it automatically means that everyone else will as well, and THAT is simply not true.

The Volcano is certainly not the only tool, but it is the best tool for its intended purpose. Thats all I am saying. You can't fault a Mercedes for not being a Porsche just like you can't fault a Volcano for not being a Cloud. People get them for different reasons based on individual needs and they both have their place. Its not necessarily one or the other, either. There's a time and a place for both.

 

[Vitolo]

I own almost every vaporizer on the market.
I use them all too!
BUT....
I am going with lwien on this:
Bag vapes are less popular in general

The Volcano is certainly not the only tool, but it is the best tool for its intended purpose.

I agree with hoptimum.. with the clarification that it's intended purpose
is not simply to extract THC, but to expediently fill a bag for those who do like using bags.

I love my Volcano, but only use it once or twice in a week~

 

[lwien]

The Volcano is certainly not the only tool, but it is the best tool for its intended purpose. Thats all I am saying. You can't fault a Mercedes for not being a Porsche just like you can't fault a Volcano for not being a Cloud. People get them for different reasons based on individual needs and they both have their place. Its not necessarily one or the other, either. There's a time and a place for both.

When you say things like, "The only real downside is the price. If thats not a problem, buying a Cano is a no brainer. Its the mercedes benz of vapes.", it totally contradicts with what you said above.

What IS true is that it is the Mercedes Benz of "bag" vapes. What is NOT true is that buying the 'Cano is a no brainer, because what you are implying with that statement is that EVERYONE will find that purchasing a Volcano would be the best vaporizer purchasing decision that anyone could make, and THAT is totally false.

 

[hoptimum]

When you say things like, "The only real downside is the price. If thats not a problem, buying a Cano is a no brainer. Its the mercedes benz of vapes.", it totally contradicts with what you said above.

What IS true is that it is the Mercedes Benz of "bag" vapes. What is NOT true is that buying the 'Cano is a no brainer, because what you are implying with that statement is that EVERYONE will find that purchasing a Volcano would be the best vaporizer purchasing decision that anyone could make, and THAT is totally false.

I did not mean to imply that the volcano is for everyone, but to beat my automobile analogy to within an inch of its life, if someone walks into a Mercedes showroom, I believe its safe to assume they are looking for a car that is sturdy and reliable and that they understand that they are buying it for a particular purpose and that theyve taken into consideration the limitations it has. This being a Volcano thread, I made the assumption that the poster understood that the Volcano does only bags. I would probably have had a different response on a thread that discusses a variety of vaporizers and options.

 

[Jeff-K]

Lol, obvious that when you hate bag vapes you hate the volcano. But saying his comments are TOTALLY false because you don't like bag vapes is a bit over the edge as well.

He's making a very nice analogy with the merc. I hate mercs and love the cano. Still I get what he's saying. Because he's right.

It's a decent, consistent, well thought out piece of machinery that, unlike some others just works and keeps on working.

It's obvious that you got bit in the behind by a bag vape at some point in history and you are trying to stay away from them as far as possible. But most people don't have that bagvapeophobia. And for those the cano should be a nobrainer at half the price.

Edit; and as the merc, if you buy it and don't like it, it has great resell value.

 

[lwien]

Lol, obvious that when you hate bag vapes you hate the volcano. But saying his comments are TOTALLY false because you don't like bag vapes is a bit over the edge as well.

He's making a very nice analogy with the merc. I hate mercs and love the cano. Still I get what he's saying. Because he's right.

It's a decent, consistent, well thought out piece of machinery that, unlike some others just works and keeps on working.

It's obvious that you got bit in the behind by a bag vape at some point in history and you are trying to stay away from them as far as possible. But most people don't have that bagvapeophobia. And for those the cano should be a nobrainer at half the price.

Well, a few things. I NEVER said that I hated the Volcano. I think the Volcano is a great vape.

Secondly, I was never "bit in the behind by a bag vape". I have used them before, and for me, they have a place in party situations, but for solo use, I prefer other methods of delivery for many reasons.

 

[hoptimum]

Well, a few things. I NEVER said that I hated the Volcano. I think the Volcano is a great vape.

Secondly, I was never "bit in the behind by a bag vape". I have used them before, and for me, they have a place in party situations, but for solo use, I prefer other methods of delivery for many reasons.

Actually, I agree with you about solo use. And when friends ask me to recommend a vaporizer, I don't suggest the Volcano. It's a bit of overkill for one person. Like Vitolo, I only use my Volcano about once a week. I really am impressed with what it does on those occasions, however. I wasn't even looking for a Volcano but stumbled upon one at an insanely low price on craigslist and knowing it was a quality vaporizer and that the service center is nearby took a flier on it. Would I shell out $600 for one? or even $400? probably not. But for a person for whom price is not an object or if you find it for a very attractive price, the Volcano performs as advertised.

 

[Jeff-K]

Well, a few things. I NEVER said that I hated the Volcano. I think the Volcano is a great vape.

Secondly, I was never "bit in the behind by a bag vape". I have used them before, and for me, they have a place in party situations, but for solo use, I prefer other methods of delivery for many reasons.

All true I guess. Still you get my point don't you?

 

[lost nebula]

I must admit, I went from a volcano hater to loving mine 3 year later for 1 simple reason. It's the only vape I use consistently enough to help me end combustion for good. The ease of use and good design is the reason I stay but like others, I dont like the bags; I put up with them. Are they overpriced...hell yea, especially with all the new competition. There are probably even other bag vapes that come close but they all lack that simple elegant ease of operation, oh yeah and not getting burnt by vape bowls I don't miss that at all.

 

[Vaporizer]

Hey FC,

I have had my volcano for 2 years and use it everyday. I regularly clean all the parts suggested by Storz & Bickel; the valve, mouthpiece and filling chamber parts. My issue is the internal parts that are very difficult to clean and they are now experiencing build up.

I have noticed a build up of resin on the exhaust fan platform, underneath the gauze. I have also noticed a burnt smell that comes up from within the volcano when I heat it up, suggesting that there is resin/particles inside the vaporizer near the heating element...

My questions are: 1. How do you remove the build up on the exhaust platform? 2. How do you get the particles on the inside out of your volcano?

Solutions tried: 1. I have tried blowing sideways into the exhaust platform, which kind of worked, but the resin is sticky stuff and hard to remove, unless with direct contact and or chemicals. 1.2. Vaccuming the top similarly didn't remove much. 2. Tipping the volcano upside down and gently tapping it's base - this shook out a decent amount of particles and some finer, dust like stuff too.

I have considered removing the rubber ring and gauze section above the exhaust platform, so I can get at the resin for a proper clean. I'm concerned that this may be irreversible and will probably avoid that method.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions from volcano users, especially long term users who have had the same experience and have found a solution.


Kind regards,
Vaporizer.

 

[youbettavaporize]

I haven't done it, but from what I've heard you can get the correct kind of screwdriver to remove the cover directly from S&B for free if you ask them for one. It's a "tamper-resistant torx" screw, they sell the screwdrivers at any hardware store.

Once you remove that cover I believe everything is a lot easier to get to for cleaning.

 

[Nunavut Tripper]

Once you remove that cover I believe everything is a lot easier to get to for cleaning.[/quote]

I've had my cover off for cleaning...had the right screwdriver in my kit somewhere.

I too wonder too why the animosity toward Volcanoes. I have three tabletop vapes and the 'cano seems to be my favourite. It's ten years old and never had a problem with it. I do like the bags ...it's great to fill one up and set it down on the coffee table in preparation to watch a movie or bring a bag out to the back deck to help myself and wife enjoy the evening.

 

[Tweek]

I don't think it's animosity toward the product...most everyone agrees that it is a well built device. It is the price most have a problem with. And it's not exclusive to the Volcano either; there are some vapes out there priced a little too steeply for what you are getting in the end.

Anyhow, that topic has been done to death. Glad you enjoy your unit! If it helps ease your stress and or pain, then it was worth every penny to you...and that is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[CentiZen]

I think where most of the animosity comes from is the aggressive marketing and business tactics from S&B. In the past they have used their patents offensively and took part in trying to game the origional DaVinci thread by spreading misinformation about the vape. I'd imagine this is the reason some FC'ers have a disdain for the company.

Nobody is going to deny the Volcano is a good machine. Where the debate is, is in how it compares to other similar vaporizers and whether the price premium is worth it.

 

[max]

I agree that with most non 'cano fans it's not a complaint that the Volcano itself is lacking. It's a great design and execution for the most part. But because the vape is so well known and has such a great rep, many people never get past it when doing research. They just parrot the mantra 'the Volcano is the best vaporizer, and why look at anything else?' Well once you research below the surface, you find that there are many excellent models to choose from. The days when you only had the 'cano and a few box vapes to choose from are long gone. You don't have to spend $500+ on a single vape to get high quality, and you also find that direct draw is quite a bit more popular with those who really enjoy the vaping experience. And for years now dual mode vapes have been available, so you can fill bags and use direct draw with the same unit, and use the difference in price to buy a nice portable or two. $539 for a vape that can only fill bags is not good value in today's market. Most people are a lot more willing to pay $500+ for something like the Cloud, where you have a glass vapor path (other than the ss bowl), the option of different glass pieces to use with it, fresh vapor instead of fresh + stale all mixed to the same blandness in a bag, and more control over the vaping process. With direct draw you can stop after one or two hits and shut the vape down if you like. If you fill a bag you're committed to either consuming the whole bag, or wasting part of it. Save half the vapor in the bag for an hour and you'll lose a lot of that 2nd half to condensation.

In the past they have used their patents offensively and took part in trying to game the origional DaVinci thread by spreading misinformation about the vape.

This was very disappointing to me. We had a member who turned out to be posting directly from Storz & Bickel headquarters. His posts were either pro 'cano, or against any other brand. He was exposed in the DV thread, and hasn't been seen since. All I could figure was that S&B was intending to produce a portable model and wanted to discredit the models they viewed as potential competition. It's hard to believe an employee, completely on his own, would buy a $250 vape and immediately tear it apart just to make negative posts and show the pics on a forum.

The Volcano should get its deserved , but on a 'vapor enthusiast forum' like this one, it's like riding in a limo. It's first class, but you're just along for the cushy ride. They don't let you drive, and most members here want to be in control, and maybe even supercharge the ride a little with some added glass or some other mod.

 

[youbettavaporize]

I bought a volcano digit a little over a year ago. I love it and immediately stopped combusting the second I started using it. So while it might be expensive, it works. Nothing worse than buying something for top dollar and then dealing with defects, fragility and lengthy repair service like I've read so much about in the cloud forum.

My wife REALLY loves the volcano and is convinced nothing in the world could possibly be better.

Well, on 4/20 I ordered an LSV and it is on the truck for delivery today. I can't wait to give it a shot and compare a directdraw vape to my bag experience. I also have a decent water pipe to use the LSV with that I purchased just a few weeks before getting the volcano (I was desperately looking for something that wouldn't irritate me as much... ultimately the answer was vaporizing instead). So a decent glass piece is getting a second chance and I won't be stuck only using bags.

Now I just have to figure out a way to let my wife know I bought an LSV without getting killed in the process. She's sold on the volcano and bags so she's not going to be very enthusiastic about my purchase.

 

[hoptimum]

I might compare the volcano with natural evolution. As the vapor industry has evolved, the bag-only volcano has begun to seem like an evolutionary dead end. People appear to prefer direct draw and whips. The volcano hasnt disappeared, of course, and its bag dna continues in hybrid vaporizers that do both bags and whips. And it remains a powerful vaporizer in its own right. But I don't foresee any company coming out with a bag-only vape. It just doesnt seem like thats the direction vaporizers are headed.

 

[youbettavaporize]

I might compare the volcano with natural evolution. As the vapor industry has evolved, the bag-only volcano has begun to seem like an evolutionary dead end. People appear to prefer direct draw and whips. The volcano hasnt disappeared, of course, and its bag dna continues in hybrid vaporizers that do both bags and whips. And it remains a powerful vaporizer in its own right. But I don't foresee any company coming out with a bag-only vape. It just doesnt seem like thats the direction vaporizers are headed.

I think you're right and this was a surprise to me. Since my predominant experience has been with the volcano I assumed that's what it was all about. I was actually standing next to my volcano a few weeks ago just reveling in the fantastic engineering it possesed. I dared wonder if it was the perfect machine. I asked myself what, if anything, it lacked. I came up with a few things. I seriously considered some designs for what I originally assumed would be a vaporizer focused on filling bags. Somewhere along the line I thought that some vaporizers don't fill bags so I should consider providing a directdraw option. I realized I was in no position to judge what would make for a good directdraw system since I had never used one (I do have a MFLB, but until a few days ago I hadn't really used it at all because I wasn't happy with my results. Thanks FC, I'm doing it better now!). That's what originally drove me to this site. I quickly figured out that what makes for a good bag vape, especially the extremely over complicated device I was contemplating, doesn't translate well into what makes for a good directdraw vape. I hadn't even considered the use of glass. I've pretty much dropped the notion of making an expensive bag filler.

 

[ludwig]

I might compare the volcano with natural evolution. As the vapor industry has evolved, the bag-only volcano has begun to seem like an evolutionary dead end. People appear to prefer direct draw and whips. The volcano hasnt disappeared, of course, and its bag dna continues in hybrid vaporizers that do both bags and whips. And it remains a powerful vaporizer in its own right. But I don't foresee any company coming out with a bag-only vape. It just doesnt seem like thats the direction vaporizers are headed.

I hope S&B will come out with something of a hybrid with their next product. Bag/Direct Draw and a bit slimmer footprint of the Volcano. Maybe a more healthier materials for the air flow.

I would definitely rip open my wallet if S&B ever produces something anything like that.