Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

[welderboy]

I've had my pax since November and haven't bought anything......from ploom

 

[Live-N-Learn]

Ive seen on this thread someone make a GonG piece but it had some weird material on it. Does anyone know of any GonG pieces available yet? That pinnacle water tube w/ Pax had me going crazy. I just dont want to deal with tubing.

 

[jambandphan03]

sorry, but so far all I've found that works is tubing, I just added a glass adapter to mine, but it's still got tubing holding it on.

 

[JoeKickass]

Ive seen on this thread someone make a GonG piece but it had some weird material on it. Does anyone know of any GonG pieces available yet? That pinnacle water tube w/ Pax had me going crazy. I just dont want to deal with tubing.

Yeah I'm using some cheapo tubing and need to upgrade... this was my favorite:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-I-D-Silicone-Hose-Temperature-Rated-500F-/300542812049

I use this, its flexible enough to fit over either 14mm or 18mm, so I just flip the adapter over for whatever I'm using. 18mm for the bubbler, or 14mm for the beaker...

I think a single foot of this Silicone Tubing and one of these Glass Adapters is about $30 total and 100% safe for your health!

(PVC Vinyl is the bad cheapo tubing, Silicone is totally safe!)

I love how they call the glass adapter 90 degrees, that's a right angle! lol

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

I used a bong slide and a virgin rubber oring from an old bong. I had a few that would fit,

 

[vapeguy]

Great, I'm almost certain I'll get the Pax instead of the Inhalater now because it's smaller, more durable, costs less in parts and has a longer warranty. I also like that it lowers the temp when not moved as I often leave my vape down for a while.

I know it's probably been said among these 300+ pages, but does anyone know the exact timeouts for both entering power save mode and it powering off completely?

I've heard some say 15 seconds, others 30, others 90, why does everyone state a different time? Has there been different models or are people just pulling these numbers out of thin air?

I'd really like to know the REAL timeouts for both it entering power save and then shutting down completely. There's a huge difference between 15 seconds and 90.

Thanks

 

[JoeKickass]

Blue power save is 30 seconds definitely, but I don't think it turns all the way off until the battery dies

 

[Strapic]

So this morning I got in my car. It was pretty cold the night before, and I tried starting up my Pax. I clicked it open, and noticed it was very hard to turn on, as the mouthpiece very slowly ascended. Me, being the idiot I am, tried to help it on it's way, so what happened was that I pulled the mouthpiece upwards, and the light just didn't emit any more light.
TL;DR: It's not turning on. Have anyone experienced the same, and if so, what did you do to fix it?

If you have been using it a lot and have already tried cleaning it thoroughly the only thing left to do would be what I like to call a spring cleaning no pun intended. Under the mouthpiece you will find a spring that can be slid on and off of the vapor tube. you can remove it like this:

If you don't have a dental pick as Welderboy suggested, make your own tool with a paper clip:

Straighten it out and bend one end into a little hook. Insert that between the spring and the tube and twist a little to snag the spring. Once it's hooked rotate the Pax clockwise and the spring just screws right out.

WARNING! Make sure you replace the spring before inserting your mouthpiece!

If you insert the mouthpiece without the spring in place, the only way to remove the mouthpiece is to open your Pax.

Once you have the spring out, just soak it in iso for a few minutes. While its soaking you should use a pipe cleaner (moist with iso) to scrub out the area where it sits. pop it back in and your good to go bro

 

[vapeguy]

Blue power save is 30 seconds definitely, but I don't think it turns all the way off until the battery dies

Do you actually know this from experience using one? With everyone stating completely different things (and now apparently it doesn't turn off by itself while others say it does) it's really hard to figure out what's true and why everyone states something completely different about the timeouts and power off.

If they had mentioned this in the manual there wouldn't be all this confusion.

Thanks

 

[welderboy]

I just timed mine...20 seconds to standby mode (blue light, low temp)...3 minutes to shut off.

 

[vapeguy]

I just timed mine...20 seconds to standby mode (blue light, low temp)...3 minutes to shut off.

See, again a COMPLETELY different answer, I give up, I'll figure it out once I have one because no 2 people ever give the same answer to this question.

Thanks for the reply, but I just don't know who to believe.

If you don't know the answer as fact from experience using and timing one with a stopwatch, please don't state it as fact, say "I think it's about...", not "It is..." (this isn't meant for the reply I quoted which does say he timed it, I'm saying this to all the others that come out with all sorts of different numbers that are all over the place)

Doesn't the party mode disable all timeouts though? Oh wait, I'll get all sorts of contradicting replies on this too right?

 

[Enchantre]

It is entirely possible that each Pax has a slightly different time to power down... if it is a rudimentary bit of programming, it might go by temp, and that is a variable.

I am looking at these. I'm still searching for the perfect nightstand vape...

 

[Mr.Krinkle]

Blue power save is 30 seconds definitely, but I don't think it turns all the way off until the battery dies

See, again a COMPLETELY different answer, I give up, I'll figure it out once I have one because no 2 people ever give the same answer to this question.

Thanks for the reply, but I just don't know who to believe.

If you don't know the answer as fact from experience using and timing one with a stopwatch, please don't state it as fact, say "I think it's about...", not "It is..."

Doesn't the party mode disable all timeouts though? Oh wait, I'll get all sorts of contradicting replies on this too right?

Dont get all butthurt because people are helping you. You'll make yourself look like a child.
both mine turn off before the battery is dead, even on party mode. Party mode shuts off about 20 mins in on mine. The motion sensor kicks on for mine at 20 seconds. It'll shut off eventually after a few minutes.

 

[JoeKickass]

Enchanter is exactly right, 30s is the manufacturer stated time but if its within 10s they probably accept it

 

[vapeguy]

It is entirely possible that each Pax has a slightly different time to power down... if it is a rudimentary bit of programming, it might go by temp, and that is a variable.

I am looking at these. I'm still searching for the perfect nightstand vape...

Some saying 15 seconds, others 30, others 90, these are far from "slightly different". I don't see why they would change the timeout based on temperature setting, it really seems people are just guessing and stating their guess as fact which is something I've always hated.

If you're guessing the answer to a question without actually knowing the answer, SPECIFY THAT YOUR ANSWER IS A GUESS. Example: "I don't own a Pax, but I guess the power save time is 27 years, and the power off is after 492 years".

 

[francis]

Some saying 15 seconds, others 30, others 90, these are far from "slightly different". I don't see why they would change the timeout based on temperature setting, it really seems people are just guessing and stating their guess as fact which is something I've always hated.

If you're guessing the answer to a question without actually knowing the answer, SPECIFY THAT YOUR ANSWER IS A GUESS. Example: "I don't own a Pax, but I guess the power save time is 27 years, and the power off is after 492 years".

Dont get all butthurt because people are helping you. You'll make yourself look like a child.

dont get mad .

 

[vapeguy]

Dont get all butthurt because people are helping you. You'll make yourself look like a child.
both mine turn off before the battery is dead, even on party mode. Party mode shuts off about 20 mins in on mine. The motion sensor kicks on for mine at 20 seconds. It'll shut off eventually after a few minutes.

It's just annoying that people are stating obvious guesses as if they were fact without specifying they don't actually know and are just guessing. I have no problem with people guessing an answer IF THEY SPECIFY THEIR ANSWER IS A GUESS.

Imagine if this was a more crucial aspect of the vape, for example battery life, and someone just says "the battery lasts 10 minutes" when it in fact lasts 90 (I don't know if it lasts 90 minutes this is just an example) and then you have hundreds going to buy a different vape based on false statements someone just guessed but stated as fact.

At least now the 20 seconds is coming up more often so that's probably right. I was worried the 90 second claims could have been true which would have been more than long enough to ruin your load.

Enchanter is exactly right, 30s is the manufacturer stated time but if its within 10s they probably accept it

I don't really understand this, if what is within 10 what who will accept what?

Where does the manufacturer state 30 seconds? It's not stated in the manual or their site that I could see.

Thanks

 

[francis]

It's just annoying that people are stating obvious guesses as if they were fact without specifying they don't actually know and are just guessing. I have no problem with people guessing an answer IF THEY SPECIFY THEIR ANSWER IS A GUESS.

Imagine if this was a more crucial aspect of the vape, for example battery life, and someone just says "the battery lasts 10 minutes" when it in fact lasts 90 (I don't know if it lasts 90 minutes this is just an example) and then you have hundreds going to buy a different vape based on false statements someone just guessed but stated as fact.

At least now the 20 seconds is coming up more often so that's probably right. I was worried the 90 second claims could have been true which would have been more than long enough to ruin your load.



I don't really understand this, if what is within 10 what who will accept what?

Where does the manufacturer state 30 seconds? It's not stated in the manual or their site that I could see.

Thanks

3:56

from what i have read , 20 seconds it is.

 

[vapeguy]

Thanks, I had seen that video but again how do you know if he's stating confirmed fact or just guessing as many are doing? Anyway 20 seconds is the answer coming up most often now so that's probably it. The 3 minute power off that happens later seems a bit soon but if you can extend it to 20 minutes on in party mode that's perfect.

That reminds me, when he says in that video that vapor is light to medium at best, was he just too new with it? I've seen other videos make considerable vapor clouds with the Pax.

Thanks

 

[francis]

That reminds me, when he says in that video that vapor is light to medium at best, was he just too new with it? I've seen other videos make considerable vapor clouds with the Pax.

Thanks

4:57

 

[pakalolo]

Where does the manufacturer state 30 seconds? It's not stated in the manual or their site that I could see.

That would be because it isn't 30 seconds, it's 20 according to Ploom: http://www.ploom.com/support#how-does-the-motion-sensor-power-down-work

They also state 3 minutes to power off. I was sure I timed mine at 90 seconds so I just re-did the timing. I must be remembering it wrong because this time it shut down at 2 minutes 50 seconds. This is more than ample time to ruin your load, incidentally.

Party mode does not have a shut off, it will keep running until the battery dies. That is how I timed my battery life. I set the temperature to red and turned on party mode, then I set it in front of a video camera so I could record exactly when the battery died (1 hour 47 minutes). That is actually a meaningless number because it doesn't reflect any sort of normal usage, but it does come close to Ploom's advertised 2 hour battery life.

 

[vapeguy]

Thanks for the official answer.

The battery life at 1:47 on high/idle is actually quite good, but of course the moment you start inhaling you increase the power usage considerably because you're pulling away heat and it then needs to heat more to get back to temperature so it would last less time under actual use.

How does the efficiency of the Pax compare to the Inhalater:
-When they're both full?
-When they're both half full?

If the Pax is inefficient at half load (in the first pages SM said he'd do a video at half load but I didn't find it yet and don't see any videos labeled as such in his youtube account) can you simply make a full load last 2 sessions instead?

Would the Pax cost me significantly more in herb than the Inhalater? I read the Inhalater is more efficient, but is it by a lot? I don't mind emptying and stirring the contents of the Pax to improve efficiency, I'm used to stirring often in my LSV.

Have any/many Pax's failed and had to be sent back for repairs? I know several Inhalaters failed which has me concerned as I want something reliable and the Pax seems far more reliable than the Inhalater, and I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of efficiency for reliability.

Thanks

 

[TommydCat]

You realize you're dealing with some slightly-more than medicated folks? Patience yields huge dividends, but does require a lot of investment.

I sincerely hope you get acceptable answers, bro - many of these only the manufacturer can factually answer. I do suggest you may get a better answer contacting them directly. I have not tried personally, perhaps others could relate to the ease or difficulty of this process.

I do not mean that as any kind of turn away -- indeed, we'll be fascinated with the answers and I'm sure discuss them at length should you relay them, and I'm sure we'll try to come up with our own in the meanwhile as well

Come in, relax, stay a while... You might like it!

I do think you raise a few points that sort of show the lack of standardized measurements for comparisons in this field. Pretty hard when they're catagorized in various fields such as Health and Beauty or Air to Gas-Phase Fractional Distillation technical equipment. It's almost literally comparing apples to oranges with the little data they give as marketing points.

 

[TheDudeNextDoor]

You know what I think is annoying? People who come onto message boards like these, ask questions that they can answer themselves with a minimal amount of research, and then get all "butt hurt" (lol btw) over the answers they get. The link pakolo cites above is directly from the Ploom website, where you can also download the full manual as a pdf file. That would be a good place to start. Not trying to be an ass, aab1, but you come across a bit insulting to people who are doing nothing but answering the questions you are asking.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

HI guys,

I was finally able to rig up something to use my Pax with my water pipe. It seems like an awesome idea but does any one find it to be very harsh? I'm using it on red which is my preferred temperature setting w/o the water pipe.