Dynavap VapCap

[Jethro]

I'm going to try all of these suggestions, but I'd like to point out I don't own and cant afford to add on a nice, triple flame butane torch.
I have small rig torches, a single flame butane lighter that doesn't work great, and basic Bic lighters.
If it'll improve performance that much I'll eventually order a better lighter but I feel like I should be at least a bit more satisfied with the actual device first. Bottom line - heat is heat, fire is fire.

I should be able to, in theory, get just as good of a rip if I heated it with a burning stick


Edit: my tiny culinary torch that I used for dabs before I had an enail seems to work great on this thing? Best rip I've had yet using that and a combo of the aforementioned things......

Now I'm just confused

You can get a hit with just heat, but accurate heat will allow you to control the click. The click magic is in the very tip, you'll see that if you heat very near the tip the click will happen fast and vapor will be thin. If you heat near the base of the cap, that is further away from the tip and the click will happen later, thus more heat and thicker vapor.

Again, you can heat with a burning stick, an electric stove, maybe even a lightbulb, but if you want a more accurate experience buy a torch lighter. You can get them for not much more money than a disposable Bic at any convienience store. They don't have to be expensive to do the job.

 

[Wheezey]

I'm going to try all of these suggestions, but I'd like to point out I don't own and cant afford to add on a nice, triple flame butane torch.
I have small rig torches, a single flame butane lighter that doesn't work great, and basic Bic lighters.
If it'll improve performance that much I'll eventually order a better lighter but I feel like I should be at least a bit more satisfied with the actual device first. Bottom line - heat is heat, fire is fire.

I should be able to, in theory, get just as good of a rip if I heated it with a burning stick


Edit: my tiny culinary torch that I used for dabs before I had an enail seems to work great on this thing? Best rip I've had yet using that and a combo of the aforementioned things......

Now I'm just confused

Yeah I just use a few junkie single flames and they all hit like a freight train with the vap cap. You'll get the hang of it.

 

[Summer]

Experiment with flame placement. Try heating more towards the center or back of the cap. Or heating a little longer, and combinations of both. You'll get the idea...

And, might I add, the lighter. What type of lighter (single, dual, quad, etc.) & how far you away you hold it from the vc for each progressive hit. I tried @Squiby 's heating technique listed below in post #17858 today & the 2nd & 3rd hits came out great (the best for me so far) - good, solid vapor, but the 1st, as usual, flavor & no vapor. But that's how it's been the 1st 8-10x I've used the M since I got it about 13 days ago. (I did get the Ti XL, too, but still haven't gotten around to washing it. (That's me!). I already know that heating on the 1st hit is a true art form in the vc community. I really suck at it big time & wouldn't be surprised if it would take me forever to master. So at this stage of the game, it only makes sense, to go with the path of least resistance (smart! ) & resign myself to taking the 1st hit as it's given.

@VisiblyVaped be sure to follow the VC lighter thread, it's a terrific thread.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/w...-lighter-to-use-with-the-vapcap.23318/page-13

 

[mucsusn]

Glad your getting the hang of it.
I call dibs on that Flower Pot that's just gonna start collecting dust now.
Hope that newborn is letting you get some sleep.


Thanks for your service!
I think Doc was saying he was the Marine.
We also have a Navy Master Chief roaming around here.

Senior Chief (retired) here

 

[SloJimFizz]

Senior Chief here

That's what I meant.

& for all of you

 

[GreenHopper]

I believe that the M tip notch has always been a DIY modification to emulate the ti tips.

Yep, you are 100% correct, DV confirmed by email.

If you want grooves then you have to get a Ti-Tip.

Or file them on yourself as an after sale mod.

Which I highly recommend everyone does.

But then I also recommend every VapCapper should get a VapCap with a Ti-Tip, eventually. I guess improved airflow is one of the reasons but also quicker heat up times. If you get a light body material like the carbon stem then also the reduced weight of the Ti-Tip has its advantages.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

Glad your getting the hang of it.
I call dibs on that Flower Pot that's just gonna start collecting dust now.
Hope that newborn is letting you get some sleep.


Thanks for your service!
I think Doc was saying he was the Marine.
We also have a Navy Master Chief roaming around here.

Sleep? What's that?

My beloved flowerpot is going nowhere!!!

But I am digging this vapcap

 

[kushkush]

...."the back of the cap"

Now, that could be taken a few ways...does he mean the rear of the cylinder, which would be getting heat anyway if we're twirling the M, etc, while torching. Or by 'back' does he mean the flat end? Others talk about firing 'further away from the tip' (the flame further away...or firing further away from the end of the Cap), or 'toward the bottom' or just 'deep'. All that confuses me.

I'd like to recommend an official language just for the cap, so when folks are explaining where they fire the torch to get their best hits, we can all understand clearly 'where' on the Cap it is they're actually talking about. Words like "near end" (closest to your face) and "far end" (farthest from your face) and "middle"...3 parts. I'm sure somebody else can come up with something better than that. (Cap: which end is the top and which end is the bottom or does that all depend on.......

Maybe just getting a standard number (1-2-3) that would, for example, always represent the 3 parts...like #1 could be the end closest to our face, #2 the middle, and #3 the end farthest from our face.

Anyway, a few times when I really wanted the info someone had, I found myself just confused by what someone meant by "toward the bottom", etc.

If anyone wants the little men in the white coats to come and take me away, well...okay.

 

[GreenHopper]

I tend to refer to the faster end as the tip and the slower end as the tail or digger.

 

[Mr. Me2]

I tend to refer to the faster end as the tip and the slower end as the tail or digger.

Gotta love visual aids!

 

[VisiblyVaped]

I tend to refer to the faster end as the tip and the slower end as the tail or digger.

When I do get my bigger hits, I'm definitely not heating the tip.....

 

[GreenHopper]

Gotta love visual aids!

Thanks man, love my diagrams

When I do get my bigger hits, I'm definitely not heating the tip.....

What you are experiencing is spot on.

The tip has the bimetal discs that click at a predetermined temp. By heating further back at the tail it takes longer for the heat to dissipate towards the the tip and thus those discs. It also means the heat has longer to soak into the tip.

It really surprised me when I fist got my Omni just how much I could vary my hit experience just by altering where I placed the flame.

I'm now only using @Pipes Induction Heater as it's a really convenient and consistent experience. Couldn't recommend it enough.

 

[kushkush]

I tend to refer to the faster end as the tip and the slower end as the tail or digger.

Thanks for that good chart!

I was thinking about "Digger" but some would think they should heat that...the digger, instead of simply the end the digger is on. So I think 'digger' is out. Maybe numbers would be best as they don't connotate anything that could possibly mean 'tip', 'end', tail, bottom, etc..... They would just represent the beginning, middle, or end (1,2,3) with the beginning being the digger end.

 

[Dynalowrider]

Point the digger at the airport. Doc

 

[GreenHopper]

Thanks for that good chart!

I was thinking about "Digger" but some would think they should heat that...the digger, instead of simply the end the digger is on. So I think 'digger' is out.

More than welcome bud.

The way I see it the name doesn't matter as it's just a reference point. Digger, tail, bridge, spike, doesn't matter. Whats important is to state that the heat should be applied to the digger (or whatever discretion you like) end of the cap but don't go so far as to be straying onto the fins.

Or something like that.

 

[kushkush]

More than welcome bud.

The way I see it the name doesn't matter as it's just a reference point. Digger, tail, bridge, spike, doesn't matter. Whats important is to state that the heat should be applied to the digger (or whatever discretion you like) end of the cap but don't go so far as to be straying onto the fins.

Or something like that.

Yeah...right....


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[phattpiggie]

Not a great start to the week but it's turned around.
Turned a stem to thin and swore, a lot. Not worried about wasting materials, it's the time lost.

Pulled it back with these Blackwood, brass and green acrylic. I'll post some better pictures as these ones don't show how good they look.

This list is still open so don't forget if you've been in touch in the past then use the original PM.
I'll carry on building up stock until I close the list and make a start.

 

[Farkas]

Really enjoying the M so far. I did notice that the tip now is a lot looser fitting into the main body than it first was on mine. Is that a function of heating lower on the cap, perhaps? And when I say lower, I mean like the third diagram @GreenHopper posted. The cap itself is not overly tight, but I can't remove it without the tip coming along for the ride. Would I need new o-rings for it so soon?

 

[xlr8shun]

Thanks for that good chart!

I was thinking about "Digger" but some would think they should heat that...the digger, instead of simply the end the digger is on. So I think 'digger' is out. Maybe numbers would be best as they don't connotate anything that could possibly mean 'tip', 'end', tail, bottom, etc..... They would just represent the beginning, middle, or end (1,2,3) with the beginning being the digger end.

Earlier in the thread people were denoting the areas to heat, by the letters in the vapcap logo..

Heat on the D, for flavor, heat on the first A (in dynA) for clouds

 

[ClearBlueLou]

...."the back of the cap"

Now, that could be taken a few ways...does he mean the rear of the cylinder, which would be getting heat anyway if we're twirling the M, etc, while torching. Or by 'back' does he mean the flat end? Others talk about firing 'further away from the tip' (the flame further away...or firing further away from the end of the Cap), or 'toward the bottom' or just 'deep'. All that confuses me.

I'd like to recommend an official language just for the cap, so when folks are explaining where they fire the torch to get their best hits, we can all understand clearly 'where' on the Cap it is they're actually talking about. Words like "near end" (closest to your face) and "far end" (farthest from your face) and "middle"...3 parts. I'm sure somebody else can come up with something better than that. (Cap: which end is the top and which end is the bottom or does that all depend on.......

Maybe just getting a standard number (1-2-3) that would, for example, always represent the 3 parts...like #1 could be the end closest to our face, #2 the middle, and #3 the end farthest from our face.

Anyway, a few times when I really wanted the info someone had, I found myself just confused by what someone meant by "toward the bottom", etc.

If anyone wants the little men in the white coats to come and take me away, well...okay.

DV gives their directions as if one were facing the mouthpiece, and knowing that makes orientation easier, but I agree that there should be unambiguous terms for things: for example, since the tip is a structural necessity, IMO 'tip' should not be used for any other part; the cap gets tricky, but the cap is a cylinder with both a closed and an open end; I've been using 'cap end' as that seems unambiguous to me.

Another example? "the bi-metal disks live in the cap end at the farthest end from the mouthpiece; since I'm trying to heat the TIP and not the cap, I focus my heat just above the tip's fins."

Not a great start to the week but it's turned around.
Turned a stem to thin and swore, a lot. Not worried about wasting materials, it's the time lost.

Pulled it back with these Blackwood, brass and green acrylic. I'll post some better pictures as these ones don't show how good they look.

This list is still open so don't forget if you've been in touch in the past then use the original PM.
I'll carry on building up stock until I close the list and make a start.

GORGEOUS work, Piggie!!! I confess, I don't comprehend the list: is it only open to people who've messaged you in the past?

 

[grokit]

@grokit, yeah, that glass vong is looking very interesting!?

It's just a random glass adapter, the ones with 14mm male or ssv-type hose fittings are great candidates for vapcap tip insertion. The glass and the tips are both inconsistent, meaning if you find a tip that fits a glass adapter another tip may not fit that same adapter, and vice-versa so it's really luck of the draw. But if you have a box of cheap glass adapters laying around like a lot of us do and a few tips to try out, you may already have the makings of something really cool you just have to try different combinations.

 

[kushkush]

Earlier in the thread people were denoting the areas to heat, by the letters in the vapcap logo..

Heat on the D, for flavor, heat on the first A (in dynA) for clouds

Yes...that would certainly work. New folks would just have to learn what D and A meant and could be told on their first heat question post.

While I was waiting for my package to arrive I did an awful lot of reading here. I learned a ton of significant stuff. But I also saw an inordinately high number of 'heat-related' posts, and thought if so much time and effort was going to be devoted to that one very important matter, then understanding what each other was saying would really be quite nice.

 

[GreenHopper]

Really enjoying the M so far. I did notice that the tip now is a lot looser fitting into the main body than it first was on mine. Is that a function of heating lower on the cap, perhaps? And when I say lower, I mean like the third diagram @GreenHopper posted. The cap itself is not overly tight, but I can't remove it without the tip coming along for the ride. Would I need new o-rings for it so soon?

That's not right man, my SS-Tip is secure in the body, removing it takes a bit of effort.

Check your O-rings, are they stretched, damaged or out of alignment?

Pic for reference.

Also when you are removing the tip the O-rings benefit from some lubricant otherwise they tend to get torn up on reinsertion. I use e-liquid as I have plenty hanging about. Beeswax, PG (Propylene Glycol) or coconut oil would work.

 

[phattpiggie]

@ClearBlueLou thank you for the kind words.

It's open to anyone and everyone, the date we enter into conversation via PM about getting on the list relates to where you'd be placed, which is why I ask people to use there original PM.

People who contacted me in May are in the first bunch to be done, and if you contact me today you'd be at the end of the orders.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Summer]

Already I would buy a 2nd if the M for a friend sale went on soon

@VisiblyVaped - save that $20 so that if you do fall in love w/ the vc, you can get 1 of @Pipe's Skeletor induction heaters for $70 + ship (batteries NOT included), then, the lighter won't be an issue unless you choose to use it. When you get a chance take a look at Pipe's induction thread. Fascinating read, albeit 90% goes miles above my head. All I know is that as of yesterday I'm on Pipe's list for his 3rd run of the Portside due in 3 months. Salivating already!

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapcap-induction-heater-for-desktop-and-in-car-use.23211/page-34

For a simple overview, here is his link to Pipes FAQ:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_202eBzWeF7rkTjqV5sWumPxtbSNtfjqOZEs1i9d16k/edit

...."the back of the cap"

I'd like to recommend an official language just for the cap, so when folks are explaining where they fire the torch to get their best hits, we can all understand clearly 'where' on the Cap it is they're actually talking about.

I hear your exasperation, fcm. As a newbie, I, too, could not agree more. If I could go back over all the posts I've read where everyone uses a different terminology to explain where to heat the cap ... utterly confusing. Was like our recent discussion on stem, XL, vs body & mp. I still have to commit this to memory. Oiy!

I tend to refer to the faster end as the tip and the slower end as the tail or digger.

Just watched @Dynavap 's vid explaining that @GreenHopper 's faster designation is the end of the that cap which heats up at a lower temp & that @GreenHopper 's slower designation is the end of the cap that heats to a higher temp. Can anyone confirm that the bi-metal clicker portion of the cap is in the flat base bottom end? I think that's why, while the flat bottom part end heats up slower, but it seems to click faster? My brain hurts.

But does this jive with what @xlr8shun just posted:

Earlier in the thread people were denoting the areas to heat, by the letters in the vapcap logo.. Heat on the D, for flavor, heat on the first A (in dynA) for clouds

The flavor comes from the flat bottom end, while the clouds come from the digger-side end?

I think something like the terminology "toward the digger end of the cap" & the "toward flat base end of the cap" works well or the D & A cap ends as @xlr8shun mentioned.

Here's some links to dynavap discussing the cap. Unfortunately, George doesn't verbally label the top & bottom of the cap in any of the vids (whichever is the top & bottom. ). Best idea is to have George formally name the ends since it's his creation.

How to heat:

At what temp. does the cap click:

The Cap:

Respect the Click:

Matter of fact, here's a link to all of dynavap's youtube vids:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCebV4cXRdXIncnHHnGYt1Hg/videos

I have to learn how to create a hyperlink on the FC forum. Way too much to learn.