Herborizer corner

[lazylathe]

Judging by the videos you want the Ti, hell even i want the Ti!
The XL is good but takes forever to extract, even on max!
It takes some work to get nice, even ABV with the XL while it seems to be quite easy with the Ti.

With the Ti, the heat is closer to the herb, bowl seems narrower, so way more effective!
The XL is awesome if you want to fill up the bowl with a gram and vape all day...LOL!!!

 

[biohacker]

Thanks bro! I guess the XL belongs in the "Plenty" club! lol Do you think the Ti will require one of those airflow reducers you made for your XL? Or does the new design negate the need for it now? I know it made a big difference when I hit yours! Sometimes too much airflow isn't good IMO.

 

[lazylathe]

Thanks bro! I guess the XL belongs in the "Plenty" club! lol Do you think the Ti will require one of those airflow reducers you made for your XL? Or does the new design negate the need for it now? I know it made a big difference when I hit yours! Sometimes too much airflow isn't good IMO.

Not sure about the airflow...
I would imagine it is reduced by the close design of the glass and narrower bowl.

I think @PPN may be able to help here?

 

[PPN]

The airflow is not restricte at all but since the powerfull heating element this is not an issue, the harder you hit it the bigger clouds you get!

I never had the pleasure to test the original Herborizer...

My actual house does'nt offers enough rooms for my vape setup although we will move soon for another house where I will get a vape lab,here the Ti will be everytime ready to go and not stored in a box like it is now (and used sometimes too!). And without to mention all this portables vapes I have to test!

 

[Alexis]

The airflow is not restricte at all but since the powerfull heating element this is not an issue, the harder you hit it the bigger clouds you get!

I never had the pleasure to test the original Herborizer...

My actual house does'nt offers enough rooms for my vape setup although we will move soon for another house where I will get a vape lab,here the Ti will be everytime ready to go and not stored in a box like it is now (and used sometimes too!). And without to mention all this portables vapes I have to test!

I figured that about the Ti. Its raw power clearly will enable you to hit it at any rate you want and it will still be able to keep up with the extraction.

And it does look like the airflow is more open than the original herborizers. I would appreciate that.

So no need to regulate breath control with the Ti. I am good at that anyway. So torn still between this and the VHW to put at the top of my wishlist.

I feel confident that the Ti may be the better vape, stronger and obviously FAR easier to use, plus 10 times more robust.

If I wasnt considering the neutral polarity of the VHW setup as possibly being better for my allergies, I would be saving for the Ti right now!

I really think this looks like such a great vape that will satisfy any great vapor enthusiast.

I look forward for you @PPN for when you get your vape "lab". I may hit you up at some point with a pm to get ypur thoughts on how the VHW and Ti compare.

I would feel outdone if I got the VHW and deep down felt that the Ti is clearly the bettr vape.
Man I really need both!

 

[lazylathe]

@Alexis

If i was you this is what i would do first, before falling for this vape!
The material used is Titanium Grade 2 for the heater.
Call the person you deal with that helped you with your metal allergies.
Ask them about everything they know about Grade 2 Ti and how/if it will negatively affect your system in any way!

It is medical grade Ti so you should be safe but the S3 was too 'metallic" for your system.
Don't want you spending a lot of cash and being unhappy again!

 

[biohacker]

And it does look like the airflow is more open than the original herborizers. I would appreciate that.

nooooooo...this is why @lazylathe made a "plug" for the top of the XL....because there was SO much airflow, it negatively affected the vapour output/density. The plug just slows things down the right amount. Hoping the Ti doesn't require this, and it appears it should not.

Man I really need both!

You said it! Do it!

 

[Doktor Dub]

Sometimes too much airflow isn't good IMO

+1000! I think this so often when i read People raving about open Airflow and no Restriction. IMO there is a sweetspot for Airflow and it can be done too restricted but also too open.
For example, the abilitie to get really dense Vapor with the Grasshopper correlates to the "not so open" Airflow.

In the old Days of bong smoking, i prefered 14mm most of the Time over 18mm just because of this.

As much as i like the Bubbler Package of the TI, i already thought if it would be better to order the 14mm Bowl and use an Adapter instead of the standard 18mm Package.

Of course, YMMV but i think Airflow is an quite interesting Topic with Vapes and the "no restriction = best" attitiude is not always right.

 

[biohacker]

Great post @Doktor Dub and a great topic for a new forum thread! I completely agree with you, although do you really think there is a noticeable difference from 14 to 18? I would have thought it was a wash..

I wonder how the GH WPA will be now that the airflow has been completely opened up! Although I think the GH airflow is already quite open, contingent on your grind ofcourse.

 

[Doktor Dub]

@biohacker Thanks a bunch, will think about making a new thread tomorrow and get my thoughts on the Topic together before. (Or feel free to make a Thread an quote me)

GH WPA made me think of this also as i saw it on the Picture in the GH Thread.

This is all highly subjective, but for me there is a very noticeable Difference between 14 and 18, if you got a downstem in both sizes just try to blow through it as hard as you can - 18 feels quite open, the 14 is just more prominent or noticable.

With Bong smoking it was even more clear, because the slides tend to be much smaller and with smaller Hole in 14mm. With some Pieces it was even a big Difference using an 18 / 18 Downstem or 18 / 14

 

[Alexis]

@Alexis


If i was you this is what i would do first, before falling for this vape!
The material used is Titanium Grade 2 for the heater.
Call the person you deal with that helped you with your metal allergies.
Ask them about everything they know about Grade 2 Ti and how/if it will negatively affect your system in any way!

It is medical grade Ti so you should be safe but the S3 was too 'metallic" for your system.
Don't want you spending a lot of cash and being unhappy again!

Thanks man again for always being so helpful. Actually, I have an Omnivap which is Ti. I have no issues with the materials, nor with stainless steel as far as I know.

Im not at all worried about reacting to the titanium specifically. I am sure the Ti would be no more problem than the materials in my XL injector. It may even be better.

Its just this idea that Vriptech seem so adamant about that Im bearing in mind. The idea that an all glass air path may alter the polarity, or energetic state of the vapor, and make it more allergy friendly.
If this wasnt a factor, I would be solidly sold on the Ti, but the VHW may be less allergenic possibly. Indeed a number of people say it doesnt trigger their asthma like other vapes.

nooooooo...this is why @lazylathe made a "plug" for the top of the XL....because there was SO much airflow, it negatively affected the vapour output/density. The plug just slows things down the right amount. Hoping the Ti doesn't require this, and it appears it should not.



You said it! Do it!

I have mentioned the Verdamper. There was barely any air restriction on that beast at all, compared to my Herborizer. It was so easy to pull large volumes of air through it very quickly. And it had a lot of power. You didnt need to draw hard and fast, but there was little restriction. And actually, the opening on the downpipe, from the bowl, was actually pretty narrow, but it didnt seem to restrict airflow upon inhalation.
Here is the downpipe:
https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/Verdamper-Downtube-large

This narrow inlet may well be what makes the Verdamper work so well. But the airflow though the heating element is much, much more open than the original herborizers, and the downpipe opening below the herbo bowl is a lot wider than the verdamper downpipe opening..

With the Ti, it looks like there is better airflow though the heating element itself than through the XL or basic injector. Maybe the original design is backward? Too restricted going throuh the injector, then too wide open into the sphere/tube, whether 14 or 18. The Verdamper downpipe can only be 6 to 8 mm (a memory guess), but the heating element could passage a bus!

But what you all say is very valid Im sure, and may be the key to the Verdamper's function.
Regardless, I dont see this being an issue at all with the Ti. If you are producing big clouds, you just dont need to draw fast. But I bet you could speed up with the Ti, on any rig, and still keep vapor high.

 

[biohacker]

Its just this idea that Vriptech seem so adamant about that Im bearing in mind. The idea that an all glass air path may alter the polarity, or energetic state of the vapor, and make it more allergy friendly.
If this wasnt a factor, I would be solidly sold on the Ti, but the VHW may be less allergenic possibly. Indeed a number of people say it doesnt trigger their asthma like other vapes.

As much as I love the boys at VripTech, and the VHW is dope, I think some of this "neutral polarity" stuff is just marketing, but they aren't super expensive so it might be worth a try? If it doesn't work for you, someone will buy it in the classifieds i'm sure! Another amazing cult following vape....like the Herbo, Sublimator, supreme, etc.

 

[Alexis]

As much as I love the boys at VripTech, and the VHW is dope, I think some of this "neutral polarity" stuff is just marketing, but they aren't super expensive so it might be worth a try? If it doesn't work for you, someone will buy it in the classifieds i'm sure! Another amazing cult following vape....like the Herbo, Sublimator, supreme, etc.

As far as Vriptech are concerned, I emailed Mark a bit in 2015 and we chatted a lot about loads of health and healing stuff, diet etc, before we even got back to vapor.
He seems a really greay guy and totally genuine, very passionate too.
I suppose it all comes down to what we believe indivdually, each to their own but who really knows.

But I really believe that Vriptech do believe the concept of polarity and I dont see them at all as being deceptive or dishonest in any way for marketing purposes.

I just fired up my XL with the remains of a 4am durban poison load before bed. (Its 4 pm now).

Im crazy high, so light end energetic. I munched a load of edibles before my dinner yesterday as well and slept great. I have just reloaded the bowl as when I come back to load the next day, the vapor thins out and I think, right Im going to need more and load another bowl.

But now I finished the other one, Im wasted, but I will have to have at least a bit of the new one.
After I vape this, I will manage reactions, then cook a meal, and do a full steam inhalation routine with essential oils after food to clear my lungs of all the mucus that food causes (and vapor).

It takes forever, and I couldnt vape again until I have finished managing symptoms fully, about 8 or 9 pm.

This is why I like a powerful and long lasting effect, and just vaoe 2 or 3 times a day, plus some edibles.

 

[biohacker]

Vriptech is awesome...don't get me wrong, I never implied that they are deceptive or dishonest, far from! However, it's like you said - it all comes down to what you believe, or what works for you. I've had maybe 4 VHW's in my time, and although it's a great device....there are downsides for me, like the seal...that silicone seal would melt on to the glass and stick after some time, and the newer ones would "slide" up the glass and was super annoying. But that's just my n=1 and i'm a higher temp user so perhaps that's why I had issues. Also had one that was DOA. The glass is WAY too restrictive IMHO, even for vaping. I know it's all "custom" and designed for vaping or whatever but it just didn't work for me, and IMO it's very overpriced (the glass).

Anyways, back on the thread topic of the Herborizer Ti! Sebastien replied within a day to my inquiry about the XL vs Ti! Love supporting companies like this!

I just wish they still sold the "non XL version" sphere!

 

[Carlos8400]

I am receiving mine tomorrow, ordered Friday, shipped Monday, expected delivery Wednesday. They were out of stock of the 14.5mm bowl so Sebastien will send it next week, but he already sent me the nail and 18.8mm bowl.

Will let you know my thoughts, and next week i should be able to compare 14.5 vs 18.8 and tell you if there is a difference in airflow. I asked Sebastien and he told me both bowls were the same, only the joint size changes, I will see if it affects airflow.

Can't wait!

 

[Baron23]

Sebastien replied within a day to my inquiry about the XL vs Ti! Love supporting companies like this!

What did he reply with. I'm just starting to get a bit interested in the Herborizer and haven't really done my homework yet, but is there a summary of the difference. Is it just old version vs new?

 

[Carlos8400]

What did he reply with. I'm just starting to get a bit interested in the Herborizer and haven't really done my homework yet, but is there a summary of the difference. Is it just old version vs new?

More or less new vs old

When i called him he just said the Ti had stronger vapor production and a faster heating time.
Even though i wasn't interested in the concentrate part he still recommended the Ti.

 

[biohacker]

The XL bowl is bigger, so it will fit alot more material, and the sessions last alot longer/takes longer to extract. For me it's a no brainer, i'll be picking up the Herbo Ti real soon. But first I need to buy the Sublimator lol

And ya the Xl is the older Herborizer, it's been around for ages....at least a decade when I started first vaping and picked up the Herbo classic sphere. The Ti was just recently released and has injected new life into this thread!

It's funny, I remember this thread for a very long time now....and it's almost mirroring the MiniVAP the way it is evolving....

 

[bleak]

Any reason to have an XL as well as a Ti? I know the XL holds more, and takes longer to extract, but there is a time and a place for that too! Or would it be redundant?

Can owners of both chime in? I would have thought the Ti would have replaced the XL so unless Sebastien has a load of stock he wants to dump, i'm not sure why else it's still kicking? Can anyone explain?

More or less new vs old

When i called him he just said the Ti had stronger vapor production and a faster heating time.
Even though i wasn't interested in the concentrate part he still recommended the Ti.

In my humble opinion the XL is obsolete. Don't get me wrong, the its still an awesome vape, but the Ti is noticeably better. The Ti isn't drastically more expensive either, so personally I can't find any reason to buy a new XL at this point.

 

[verdampersweats]

Does the ti weigh more than classicxl? I decided on RooR 250ml straight from www.roor.de as the peice i want for the Ti and the 100ml i had would tip with the xl if left unattended. For concentrates all the new 2015\2016 German RooR are now 240ml (Tiny Sista) or 300ml (Snapper 4.0) so 250ml Straight sounds ideal for 69 Euro.

The bags for bongs on the RooR\Herbo site are sick too a good way to find quality products is to look at what these two sell.

 

[Alexis]

One other attraction to the Ti: it looks much easier and more fun to lift and move the heating element, on and off the bowl.
The classic and XL injectors are fiddly and awkward and require concentration on grip and maneouvering. If you dont keep it pinched tight, or your fingers are wet, it can slip and burn you.

The Ti looks much better for handling, like you can do it with your eyes closed.

 

[biohacker]

The bags for bongs on the RooR\Herbo site are sick too a good way to find quality products is to look at what these two sell.

The bags are awesome! I was able to check out @lazylathe's the other day and I thought it was a sleeping bag at first! lol

Bang on about quality products with RooR/Herbo..... but the question is....

Will there be a RooR Ti coming out??

 

[latulipe999]

The classic and XL injectors are fiddly and awkward and require concentration on grip and maneouvering. If you dont keep it pinched tight, or your fingers are wet, it can slip and burn you.

Boxing gloves are not recomended.

 

[verdampersweats]

The bags are awesome! I was able to check out @lazylathe's the other day and I thought it was a sleeping bag at first! lol

Bang on about quality products with RooR/Herbo..... but the question is....

Will there be a RooR Ti coming out??

Doubtful i think roor made thier stand with the Vapor Body and thier other lines recently mention concentrate. So your choice would be RooR Vapor body\TinySista\Snapper4.0 or something from the special line but they are super tiny! Shipping to canada with them is ten more euro than to me too so good deal there.

I have my eye on the TinySista too sometime.

 

[Baron23]

@Carlos8400 @biohacker @bleak


Thanks guys....I'm rather interested in this one.

@biohacker - why the Sublimator before the Ti?