Herborizer corner

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    It would be a function of temperature and the size of your draw (as well as speed) I made the XL with nearly .5g turn brown on the first hit, when I wanted it to. So many variables... but it needed to be up high heat near max.
     
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  2. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    The XL does extract slowly for sure at my preferred temp 7, 200°C.
    But to be fair, it does yellow and start to brown after the first few hits.
    But to finish a load like the one I pictured is god knows how many hits in total.

    Somewhere between 20 and 40 hits. I never count and things get murky.
    Once ypu get over half way throuh the load it does get tedious as hit size declines but there is too much active left to call it a day.

    This is where the abv comes in. Rather that insisting on carrying on with the weaker hits, I save it for edibles and start a fresh load.

    However, are you sure you fit a half gram on the Ti bowl? Without touching the element?
    My impression was that that is too much for the bowl.

    If I load a large load, I kind of dont want it to brown too quickly. It makes me feel bad about going through so much weed so quickly. But its necessary with my temps to get the huge hits. (large load).

    If I had the Ti I would hope to load 0.2 to 0.3 grams ish and vape it in fairly short time. As long as I get the desired effect of heavily medicated, and my petrol gets me just as many miles, I'm happy for it to go brown in no time.

    This is what I want. A vape that can medicate me much faster with smaller loads.
    With the XL, it doesnt seem to work for a fast medication session. I need to vape for quite a long time in order to have a long lasting effect to leave the house for hours etc.

    But I start to get stoned and relaxed and lazy and it gets dragged out everytime.

    So what you say about the Ti extracting 10 times quicker sounds good to me. In my abv photo, it looks a lot darker than it does in real life. It is very light yellow. My vapcap abv is very dark brown. I would never bother saving it for cooking, no point.

    So I suspect your Ti abv on setting 5 is actually darker than mine on XL setting 7.

    And as @biohacker says you have a choice in how you use the XL. Those without allergies can hit much higher temps. This browns quickly, and even small anounts of bud can give big clouds.

    My weed supply is always limited by what we can priduce in our garden. It has to last all year, all dependant on shit UK weather. Hence a reason why I vape 0.5 grams max per day, often less. It is also sufficient for my requirements as well. But take my allergies away and Im sure all that would change!:nod:
     
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  3. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    @Alexis I think we are similar in our quest but i don't have the metal allergies like you do...but i am allergic to weed lol. Anyways, the Supreme and Sublimator are my top two at the moment, but both metal... have you looked into the Twax Flowerpot? Or an errlectric concentrate station? That's the direct i'm going, although I still really want this Ti.
     
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  4. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Thanks for that useful input, I will check this out. Just to be clear, it isnt specifically metal allergies that are the issue for me. The Supreme reaction was just bizarre and totally out of the norm.

    The main issue is my allergy to cannabis. I shouldnt use it of course, but it is the only thing that I really enjoy and look forward to. My illness and allergies are a miserable burden even if I dont get stoned. When I abstain I am just itching to hit the vapor and "transcend".

    And I go crazy with stress, literally. Weed keeps me sane and motivated, and also bodily healthy. I cant take cbd oil, otherwise I could more easily break from weed and still get my health preserving cannabinoids.

    Also, in life I like the best of the best where possible. So this goes for vapes too. The XL, as good as it is, is nowhere near the best vape out there, and not the heaviest hitter for sure.

    Hence my intention to upgrade. I am pretty much decided it will be out of the Ti and VHW. I am drawn to the VHW also because the whole ritual can be seen as kind of sacriligious, and "involved".

    But in my gut I feel sure that those who have tried both will swear the Ti is the better, and more powerful vape, with many additional bonuses.
    This is why I am torn. I would just choose the VHW for the all glass aspect, except I want the best, and I strongly suspect that is the Ti!
     
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  5. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    We're even more alike than I thought! I'd personally go with the Ti...because the VHW wasn't great for my allergy due to the intense massive rush of terpenes it delivered....but i'm pretty sensitive. The VHW was the worst i've experienced and nearly triggered hay fever like sneezing response. But it seems like after some time I adapt and become more used to it. Do you get the odd hive and itching from contact on sensitive skin like forearms?
     
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  6. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    No I dont get any skin allergy reactions fortunately. I read that some people can smoke weed no problem, but cant touch it, others can touch it and smoke it but cant harvest or something where there is another type of exposure, I forget though.

    Im the opposite. I can handle it no problem but allergic to consumption.

    About sneezing and vapes: the Herborizer never makes me sneeze. The Verdamper used to, but never at the start of a bowl where terpenes are highest. It was always when I reached a certain point of medication. I always equated the sneezing with the most lovely heavy buzz coming on, and it was never a problem.

    Yes I think ironically, despite being very different in our pesonality, life experience and perspectives, we do have a good deal in common. I know you are totally authentic and honest and straight to the point, and you know your vapes much better thatn I do with a hundred times more experience with different vapes, glass, and also weed varieties/quality.

    And we both have a perfectionist, idealistic trait I think when looking for the best vaporizer.
     
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  7. SoDelicious

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    I'm currently stuck on choosing between the sublimator apollo, d nail flower pot, and now the herborizer ti.

    Any thoughts or reccomendations on which unit to go with (if price isnt a major issue).

    Also, thats weird. I think i am alergic to bud also. Everytime i touch a dry bud with my fingers and touch my forearm or any other sensitive area i get odd hives and itching for about 2 - 3 hours before it dissapears. I always thought it was pesticides or some stuff sprayed on the bud, but who knows haha
     
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  8. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    I think skin reactions to weed are probably much more common than respiratory consumption reactions. And nothing to worry about either really. It must be to do with the plants own self protection mechanism, and it may even manifest due to your own immune system functioning normally, just letting you know not to go rolling in a play pit of weed!:lol:

    With regards to choosing the next and ulitmate vaporizer right now, just going with my gut I would put good money on the Ti. It seems to rival every big hitter in terms of power and extraction, but has a lot of advantages over some others.

    In terms of ease of use, durability, and reliability. I will be really ineterested to see what sort of reputation the Ti comes to hold across this community once a great many more people own it, who have also owned most other heavy hitters.
     
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  9. MrMonss

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    What type of glassware do you all use with the TI ?
    Feel free to post your setup in pictures..
    Would like to know what proportion of users use the original Herborizer glassware
     
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  10. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    @Carlos8400 , here is my load remainder from last night, the same one I photoed.
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    I hit it a lot on setting 6.5, then up to 7 until vapor declined. I got a LOT of hits from it.
    Now I will fine crumble it and hit it until its all gone. You can see how much green is still in the weed. But the trouble is, you never know how much is left in a large unfinished load when I return to it.

    This is why it would be better to load smaller bowls of 0.2 to 0.3 grams, and have the pleasure of loading a fresh bowl each time and just extracting all from it in one brief session.
     
  11. Carlos8400

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    I had a pretty empty day today, so was able to experiment a bit.

    What i did was try vaping a small and a large bowl on 4, 5 and 6. Starting from cold, let the nail heat on bowl for 5 minutes, drop herbs in, vape.

    4: small bowl (literally a thin layer on the grill, not even a bowl) felt like a waste of time, good taste, vapor on the thin side. No real effects on my brain.
    With a larger bowl on 4 i got some decent vapor out of it, I could still see through the glass, but an amazing taste and a really uplifting feeling. It took around 7 long hits to have my avb looking like yours just above, and vapor production to stop.

    5: Both with a big and small bowls i got some great vapor out of it. I would say the same thickness as the Mighty with a water pipe adapter. Nice and thick, good flavour, nothing wrong with it. At 5 it usually takes 4 or 5 hits to reach the end of vapor production. The avb will be brown, but could be darker.

    6: where the party is! On 6 or even 6.5 this thing is a beast. I know i have said it before, but this feels like smoke it is so thick. You can feel the oils in your mouth, you can feel the thickness in your lungs.
    It will literally nuke a bowl in 2 hit. First hit turns it brown, stir, second hit turns it dark brown.
    What is amazing is the ease at which it does it. With all my other vapes i always feel like you have to milk the end for ages to get every bit of vapor out of the herbs.
    With the Herborizer you can just look at the glass go from white and milky to clear in no time at all, none of that thin tasteless crap at the end of a hit. Avb on 6 is dark brown like English Breakfast...

    On 6 this feels like a magical healthy lighter to me. I am really able hit a bong like i would with a lighter. I never have to wait for the vape to keep up, it just runs along.

    All this is with decent herbs, not USA grown top shelf, but i would say on par with what you find in most average dutch coffee shops... Definitely much better than your average UK street crap. Herbs are kept at 62% humidity.


    Glass wise this is the piece i have been using:

    https://www.grasscity.com/us_en/bla...ss-bong-with-cage-percolator-splashguard.html

    I also use a bridge adapter to carb, it makes everything less of a faff.

    https://vapefiend.co.uk/18mm-bridge-adapter


    I might try to see how high i can take it without combusting next, haven't gone higher than 6.5 yet.
    Going for 7, wish me luck...

    Edit: 7 is too much for me. It extracted a pretty big bowl in 1 hit! Stirred, but nothing more came out, avb is very dark with some almost black specks, still no combustion, but to me this has reached the pop corn taste, and much of the good taste is gone.
    I would say 4.5 to 6.5 is where most of the magic happens, with 6 being my favourite.

    Also, i ordered some of these, they should help the loading procedure a lot.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262372409014?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
     
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  12. MrMonss

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    It's funny because I expect exactly this piece from China, bought on Dhgate just a few days ago at the same time as a Simple Foot Stand to rest the injector. So I think I made the right choice by reading your comment. :)
     
  13. Carlos8400

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    This thing is great! I wish i could find one in 14.5mm but they don't seem to be available.
     
  14. Jazzah

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    could you pass one some links for those two please?
     
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    Oh sure,
    Here are the links, but as I have not received anything yet I can not make you feedback on these articles.. I think using another piece between the injector and the glass foot (since the foot is in 18 male).

    The @Carlos'8400's bridge adapter (dhgate's version) :
    http://www.dhgate.com/product/wholesale-bridge-glass-adapter-2-18mm-female/391892430.html

    The Simple Foot Stand (you'll have to chose the "a simple foot stand" option, wich is approximately $15 with free shipping):
    http://www.dhgate.com/product/new-design-vapexhale-hydratube-sidecar-perc/386035662.html
    hope this help
     
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  16. PPN

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    I thought it was better to get a fuckin' big hit... and realize the load is still green!

    That's my experience using the Ti on level 4-4,5 and I get several hits like that... Starting at 5-6 i get slightly bigger hits but terpènes are quickly done and at 7 it's a sort of 1/2/3 hitter at max but load is scortched imo...
     
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  17. Carlos8400

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    How is it "better"?
    I guess it depends what you are after and what you are used to...
    A month ago i was still combusting 0.5g bong bowls in two hits. To me the vapor i get on 4 or 4.5 is a bit thin compared to what i like.
    On the other hand the 1 hit to brown i get at 6 gives me the satisfying big thick hits similar to what i used to get from combustion.
    To me the Herborizer feels more like a regular vape between 4 and 5, but put it on 6 and it turns into a "healthy" one hitter. If i want a slow bowl that i want to sip from i prefer to use the Mighty, i think it does that better, and with less things to worry about.
    I do agree with you that 7 is just too hot though. Taste isn't the best there.
     
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  18. Carlos8400

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    This is where i got the piece, it's much cheaper to buy straight from Black Leaf in Germany than on grass city.
    I did have a few problems with a a couple pieces (like 2 out of the 10 i bought from them) that turned up with blemishes, but their customer service is great, just send a picture of the problem and you get a replacement.
    They have a few model with that "bird cage" perc, i really like it a lot.

    https://www.blackleaf.de/black-leaf-bird-cage-glasbong-m-cage-perko/

    Edit: just realized you were asking about the bridge and the stand, my bad.
     
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  19. biohacker

    biohacker Fucking Combustion Since 2006

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    Really love the life and activity in this thread fellas! To me the sign of an incredible vaporizer is getting a big fat massive rip and having the abv still be green! I've seen this in a bunch of vapes, and I find it absolutely awesome.

    There should be no need for super high temp vaping to get clouds if it's a good properly designed device IMO!

    Sounds like the Herbo Ti is it! And it does it with class.

    Isn't that the truth!? Which is why it makes it so hard for people like us! I love this hobby!

    Dude, I feel you!!!! Right now I have on my VAS list...and it's strong! Herbo Ti (probably with bubbler and maybe more glass from herbo (sphere, tube)), Sublimator Apollo!, ed's woodscents, dnail lotus, twax flower pot, errlectric herb nail, it's killing me! lol The thing is that they are all kinda dual function vapes, but the last three at least are digital and super fast heating. I think they are probably ALL awesome!

    Welcome to my world...been like this for years...got checked out and allergic to grass and trees (contact). No real issues vaping, although as mentioned i'll bust out in sneezing rages if I have PURE convection especially at lower temps. It sucks, but I deal with it by washing my hands alot and just being mindful of kif etc. No issues on thicker skin, just thin...i'd had hives on my neck and face before from contact. Also get it from some dogs (with rough coarse fur). Must be my immune system going haywire mid age after years of cannabis lol

    Thanks bro, I know you have a vast knowledge of immune system/allergies etc. so i'll keep on imbibing! lol

    It's a tough one...it appears to me that all the "controller" style vapes mentioned would actually do what the Herbo does, as well as oils. Similar concepts...anyway.... and the sub is dangerous, but won't break like glass can...
     
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  20. Is it tho?

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    tried resisting as iam on the waiting list for one of rasta vapes log creations, but ive been after something that rivals the power of the supreme and the versa. Ti herb arrives this week:brow:
     
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  21. Vapodudule

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    Glad to see this vape meets its fair success!

    One of the application of the vape config is to put some SS pads in place of the bowl, put on 10, let it soak and throw dabs in there to enjoy infinite convection dab vapor.

    Now further experience with the enail config, i can compare with regular hybrid enail solution and i think that the Ti system exclude the torch for the normal use. The residues are building anyway and you have to torch them on regular enail solution every bowl!

    With the Ti system, you put at 10 and all residues turn into hashes simply. No more torch. I still torch the glass injector for cleaning every couple of days or more.
     
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  22. latulipe999

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    I'm dreaming about the Ti, but my original XL still do the job !

    -0.2g load
    -Temp at 7.5
    -First hit -->

    [​IMG]
     
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  23. Carlos8400

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  24. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Im just copying you actually for the fun of it. 0.2 grams on 7.5 second hit:
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    I usually stick to 7 max, but I thought, what the hell, why not a little increase.

    There's no way I could get such decent hits like this on 7 with only 0.2 grams. A little rise in temp can be a huge difference. Im really feeling thise first few hits!
    I will soon be taking a forced break from vapor for a 30 day course of homeopathy when I cant vape due to intense die off from infections and respiratory symptoms due to cleansing.

    Its SO worth it though. I cant tell you al enough just what amazing godsend the homeopathy and the feedback is. I long for the day the establishment stops suppressing the best natural medicines and everyone has access to the full array of nature's medicine.

    Im an ideallist at heart! Anyway, the 30 day vapor break is actualy a good thing. Its the only thing that does ensure I actually take a break! So it saves me precious weed to go the stretch the summer until harvest(?) And it gives me a break from the extra alllergy managemant from the vaping.

    But the break is also very hard, because I just cant wait to get vaporized out of my brains again! I will have edibles but it doesnt really work for me day to day. I would need to dose at least twice a day with biggish doses. It is more physically tiring and draining for me thouh.

    But it is just amazing for intestinal health. Any indigestion or upset and cannabutter/coconut oil is one of the best remedies I have known for it.
    And of course I still get my daily cannabinoids! I cant really take cbd oil, and it does cost money as well! I work hard in the summer for my meds so I can afford my year round health and diet costs.

    But I do need a break from vapor and the time is right, looking forward to it.
    Back to herbo on 7.5. Feeling wrecked after the first few hits. Have a wicked weekend all!:tup:
     
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  25. biohacker

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    Ah man, I love (and miss) that sphere! Is that the classic or the XL size? Such class, and so easy to hold around the bottom!
     
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