Have you ever tried an oil/concentrate pen you actually LOVED ?

[cloudblower]

By far the best tasting pen I've hit is an Evolab Alchemy cartridge on an adjustable-voltage 510 battery. It was actually good enough that I wanted to hit it just for the taste. It uses a refined CO2 extract with added terpenes. Strong too at 85%+.

The downside- I would say it's a ripoff at $80 after tax (for .5g). I only bought it because I was heading out on a trip and had very limited options at the time. Won't buy another though, just not worth it when good live resin is $50/g.

Speaking of that, Pax has come out with a proprietary battery and [strain specific?] live resin cartridges. According to a budtender they taste great but she also got a free one. Also not a cheap option at $60 for the battery and each half gram live resin cart.

I really enjoy the Evolab cartridges too. They're a bit pricy, but for the convenience when out and about, I don't know of a better product in Colorado. I don't have a variable voltage battery though. Which battery are folks suggesting?

 

[herbivore21]

I really enjoy the Evolab cartridges too. They're a bit pricy, but for the convenience when out and about, I don't know of a better product in Colorado. I don't have a variable voltage battery though. Which battery are folks suggesting?

@Vape Donkey 650 mentioned a few good ones above! Basically choose a reliable mid-range to high end mod from one of the major manufacturers mentioned above and go for it

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/t...concentrate-exclusive-pen.23632/#post-1075716

 

[cloudblower]

@Vape Donkey 650 mentioned a few good ones above! Basically choose a reliable mid-range to high end mod from one of the major manufacturers mentioned above and go for it

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/t...concentrate-exclusive-pen.23632/#post-1075716

The ones he's suggesting are larger than what I was looking for. I was trying to find one the same size as an o.pen battery or a q-pen battery.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Cloudblower, its your call, you should get what you like, but I would seriously reconsider limiting your choices to tall, slender cylindrical 'vape pens'

Check out the newest tiny TC mods like the evic basic or the eleaf istick power nano. They are boxes, but probably about as light with similar or less displacement (size, space) and with much greater functionality and performance potential, which is worlds apart from vape pens.

Im sorry for being so opinionated on this topic, but if you still havent used a good ceramic atty with a TC mod, you have no idea what you're missing from your concentrates.

Using a coil & rod atty with an unregulated or VW mod compared to ceramic donuts with TC is like the difference between combusting joints and using a quality flower vape. I am only slightly exaggerating.

If the puffco really cant be used in tc modes (kanthal wire?) that alone would be more than enough for me to not use.

I would like to see some good, full featured TC mods produced in a compact cylinder size (pen) but the market isnt there yet, so i would highly recommend checking oit the latest crop of tiny TC mods to elevate your vape game

 

[invertedisdead]

Agreed, my DTv3 with Evic Basic is shorter than the ego battery by itself. This is a compact, tasty, rebuildable, hard hitting little setup for $55.

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Good time to bust out that pic, inverted

I think most people are overestimating the size and heft of box mods these days, and under-recognizing the massive potential these things have over pens / vw mods

If you dab full melt, you've got no choice in pens except for ceramic donuts which take too long to heat up and give a good rip IME - full melt requires extra heat to melt up before vaporizing compared to errl.

That is another obsolete paradigm regarding ceramic donuts. My 10mm v3 donut takes under 2 seconds to reach 400F with 28w and TC, and delivers copious rips with great control, minimal harshness.

Your puffco @10-13w is still heating up in that time and giving meager puffs by comparison, i would surmise. And you always risk burning the oil and degrading flavor if you hold the button down too long or bump up the watts in VW.

herbi, I hope you dont think im picking on you, but im just trying to put you (and everyone else) up on the latest portable dabbing trends. Alot of people try a crappy coil and wick unregulated vape pen and rightfully think it sucks, and may never want to try portable dabbers again, but theyre just depriving themselves, imo.

Also, full melt to oil, i didnt think there is any difference between that, just different words?

Ive seen that 6 star bubble you make, and i think a ceramic donut like the dt and a good tc mod is one the best places you can put that stuff!

IME if your pen gives a better taste vs clouds balance than low-temp enail dabbing on sapphire, SiC, ceramic or even some when efficiently and evenly heated - you're not doing dabbing properly

When it comes to enails and bangers, i will admit im probably not doing it right. It takes a skillful motion of dabbing, swabbing, and covering and inhaling just at the right time, the right amount. Alot of room for error. Tc mods are much more forgiving. Just load, set, and hold the button. You can often get many hits back to back from a small load like 20-40mg,

I have got some decent hits with an enail and quartz banger, at low temps <500F but it seems i have to put a much larger dab on my tool to get less vape than i do from my donuts. Also, whatever is not instantly flash vaped becomes a molten carbonated gross pool, do not want.

Also, herbi, the inability to fully clean these things is in the past, too. The v3 dt atty is completely rebuildable,so you can take the cup and body and soak in alcohol, and you can also torch the cup to make it 100% clean. The donut itself burns clean in vw mode in a few seconds. Replacement donuts cost like 4 bucks and are easily swapped out in minutes, but they can last along time and vape many many grams before failing with proper usage.

 

[zor]

Whelp, I ordered a black Ft v3 if this cubis tank is a bust for thcjuice I might as well get the most out of the VTC mini!

 

[invertedisdead]

Yes, the mod is a revelation with ceramic otherwise you are hitting the 10 second lockout before the donut comes to temp. My DT donut hits harder than my QDC did on my Source. I believe much of this is related to coming to temperature quickly. Temp control is such a more accurate way of using these devices. I could never dial in different levels of vapor with variable voltage ego pens. I can do low temp tasty terp pulls with little vapor, to huge lung busters just by controlling temp.
And my Evic basic is way smaller than I thought even from the photos. It's silly how badass this combo is for $55.

FWIW, none of these different atomizers are perfect yet, but it really is miles away from the top tech available a year ago.

Some of these newer ceramic cup atomizers look interesting, but I find attys that size super difficult to load. Overall my Divine Tribe is a small setup, but it offers much more surface area for your concentrate to vaporize instead of pool which makes it way easier to load consistencies like shatter. I prefer crumble or similar with those tiny atomizers.

This technology is only going to get better, so it should be a fun ride!

 

[cloudblower]

Thanks guys, I initially was looking for something to heat my Evolab Chroma cartridges and now I'm overwhelmed with a variety of options that would allow me to take some live resin on the go if I decide to purchase a Divine Tribe 3 or a Yocan Cerum. I had no idea that "vape pens" have evolved so far from the Dabbler I have kicking around in a drawer. I tried replacing the atomizer with a quality ceramic/ti one (for the day) and it still gave hot hits with shatter, live resin etc. It pooled heavily and just stopped tasting good after a gram or so. It's great that things have advanced so much.

Inverted, I never saw an image of one of the small mods to put the size into perspective before. The Evic Basic is really small and all the reviews say it is powerful enough for my intended use. I appreciate you posting your photo. Also, where can you get that setup for $55?? My google searching has that setup running a lot more.

 

[invertedisdead]

Thanks guys, I initially was looking for something to heat my Evolab Chroma cartridges and now I'm overwhelmed with a variety of options that would allow me to take some live resin on the go if I decide to purchase a Divine Tribe 3 or a Yocan Cerum. I had no idea that "vape pens" have evolved so far from the Dabbler I have kicking around in a drawer. I tried replacing the atomizer with a quality ceramic/ti one (for the day) and it still gave hot hits with shatter, live resin etc. It pooled heavily and just stopped tasting good after a gram or so. It's great that things have advanced so much.

Inverted, I never saw an image of one of the small mods to put the size into perspective before. The Evic Basic is really small and all the reviews say it is powerful enough for my intended use. I appreciate you posting your photo. Also, where can you get that setup for $55?? My google searching has that setup running a lot more.

No problem, I posted that picture in the DT thread too hoping others on the fence will see how small it is. I was looking for something small and easy to use and I'm very glad I went this route.

https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/joyetech-evic-basic-40w-tc-box-mod.html
Use code NEWMFS15 for a 15% off new customer discount.

http://ineedhemp.com/product/divine...mic-donut-atomizer-fcombustion-discount-link/

 

[cloudblower]

No problem, I posted that picture in the DT thread too hoping others on the fence will see how small it is. I was looking for something small and easy to use and I'm very glad I went this route.

https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/joyetech-evic-basic-40w-tc-box-mod.html
Use code NEWMFS15 for a 15% off new customer discount.

http://ineedhemp.com/product/divine...mic-donut-atomizer-fcombustion-discount-link/

Thanks for the links. I'll probably have to PM you about the settings you're using once both parts arrive.

I'll have to checkout both the Joyetech and Divine Tribe forums too I guess.

 

[herbivore21]

Good time to bust out that pic, inverted

I think most people are overestimating the size and heft of box mods these days, and under-recognizing the massive potential these things have over pens / vw mods



That is another obsolete paradigm regarding ceramic donuts. My 10mm v3 donut takes under 2 seconds to reach 400F with 28w and TC, and delivers copious rips with great control, minimal harshness.

Your puffco @10-13w is still heating up in that time and giving meager puffs by comparison, i would surmise. And you always risk burning the oil and degrading flavor if you hold the button down too long or bump up the watts in VW.

herbi, I hope you dont think im picking on you, but im just trying to put you (and everyone else) up on the latest portable dabbing trends. Alot of people try a crappy coil and wick unregulated vape pen and rightfully think it sucks, and may never want to try portable dabbers again, but theyre just depriving themselves, imo.

Also, full melt to oil, i didnt think there is any difference between that, just different words?

Ive seen that 6 star bubble you make, and i think a ceramic donut like the dt and a good tc mod is one the best places you can put that stuff!


When it comes to enails and bangers, i will admit im probably not doing it right. It takes a skillful motion of dabbing, swabbing, and covering and inhaling just at the right time, the right amount. Alot of room for error. Tc mods are much more forgiving. Just load, set, and hold the button. You can often get many hits back to back from a small load like 20-40mg,

I have got some decent hits with an enail and quartz banger, at low temps <500F but it seems i have to put a much larger dab on my tool to get less vape than i do from my donuts. Also, whatever is not instantly flash vaped becomes a molten carbonated gross pool, do not want.

Also, herbi, the inability to fully clean these things is in the past, too. The v3 dt atty is completely rebuildable,so you can take the cup and body and soak in alcohol, and you can also torch the cup to make it 100% clean. The donut itself burns clean in vw mode in a few seconds. Replacement donuts cost like 4 bucks and are easily swapped out in minutes, but they can last along time and vape many many grams before failing with proper usage.

Not at all man, your first post came across a little snarky but I'd abandoned any such notion as we continued talking and realized I'm sure you didn't mean to come across as such

I made no bones about deliberately being late to the ecig/cart portable oil game because until recently: the quality of pen carts has not been sufficient for me to want to put my meds inside any of the candidates.

I should mention I will not ever bother with rebuilding carts since I use pens so very very little, 0.05% of my usage is not an exaggeration!

I can't justify fucking around with atomizers and wires for something that I barely even touch in my day-to-day. I prefer to pay more for someone else to do the building of the cart because my time is better spent making more full melt than building carts

Of course, the above means that I am happy to look into any example cart that has a low cost (which is all of them in my view ). I'll check out the DT since you recommend it so, alongside a few others (Lynx hypnos zero, Kandypens etc) because why the hell not!? So long as there are no unsafe materials etc used in any of them (I'll have to look into this closer with each admittedly). I really need to find a vendor that stocks all of the popular coil-less parts and get one of each to save on shipping lol

BTW man IMO white ceramic never cleans perfectly unless it is directly heated. Torchable components is nice in a cart though and I'm interested to see the DT for this aspect you describe. One issue might be that to take apart and reassemble the respective parts could conceivably be more fucking around than I'm prepared to put into it. 4 minutes to rebuild a cart is not really something I care to do.

I have a different standard of cleaning to most I will concede. I want something that I can look at under a microscope and it still looks the same as when I bought it after heavy prolonged use. Like my sapphire or SiC stuff. For me, white ceramic is a compromise.

BTW bro, I suspected before you even said that you'd have had shitty experiences with quartz put you off nail use. It is so common because most people have never seen the advances beyond quartz bangers and barrel coils personally. Almost everyone I know who swears by pens have never experienced proper use of next gen enails.

Quartz bangers of this kind are so inefficient and you are preaching to the choir on that pooled material in the bottom of the quartz, that is some nasty tasting shit! In fact, residue from old hits on white ceramic reminds me of this taste. The uneven thermal distribution of quartz vs SiC and Sapphire also means that you'll have nice and not so nice tastes hitting your airways at the same time as material gets variously under and over cooked at the same time.

When you try a Silicone Carbide or Sapphire e-nail, you'll quickly understand why we dabbers see pens as inferior. The flavor is incomparable to anything else off of these materials (which btw FFS why have pen manufacturers not looked into using these materials too?! ). They clean like brand new. You can blowtorch silicone carbide until your torch runs out of butane without damaging it. Sapphire qtips cleaner than quartz because it gets the heat around more efficiently to every nook. If all else fails, while you can't torch sapphire, you can bring it up as hot as your e-nail coil can safely go (900-1000f is not uncommon) for a sustained period electronically for cleaning. No pen can do that!

BTW there is a definite distinction between oil and full melt in terms of how the two behave when heated. Full melt bubbles very violently and this can cause a small load to swell above the air intake holes.This is quite problematic in the design of the puffco+ and my major complaint aside from ease of cleanability being very lacking compared to e-nails (but this is true of pens generally IME).

Full melt also generally requires a longer wait for vapor production unless you slightly increase temps as the melting/bubbling stage has to take place before the material vaporizes. Full melt contains whole resin glands, including the secretory cells and outer membranes. These do not melt (contrary to the name) and leave residue in the nail.

I still think that for portable use that pens are not ideal for full melt, I'll continue trying other carts and see though. The latter hits of full melt in the Puffco+ do not taste anywhere near good enough. In coil based carts you can't even use full melt and ever get it clean so the Puffco+ performance is still an improvement in that way for full melt. Hopefully something else will do the job better. Otherwise I'm gonna probably bite the bullet and grab a firefly 2 for portable concentrate use

 

[mestizo]

Hi @herbivore21, if I remember correctly you have used a Vapcap with concentrates, correct? I ask because I was considering to jump in and buy one of the pens mentioned here for full melt but after reading your last post I'm having second thoughts.
Will you say a Vapcap with SS mesh is better than the pens you have used in the past? I'm talking about flavor wise.

 

[herbivore21]

Hi @herbivore21, if I remember correctly you have used a Vapcap with concentrates, correct? I ask because I was considering to jump in and buy one of the pens mentioned here for full melt but after reading your last post I'm having second thoughts.
Will you say a Vapcap with SS mesh is better than the pens you have used in the past? I'm talking about flavor wise.

If you get the temps right every time in the vapcap, IME that is often tastier than any of the coil or coil-less pens I've used for full melt. The heat needs to be coming from multiple directions ie not just the floor of the ceramic cup for full melt to work efficiently. It tends to bubble up the sides and then form unvaped deposits that are sticky enough not to melt back down into the chamber without a lot of heat.

With rosin, the puffco+ is a dream. It tastes incredible for the first hits. The later hits are tasteless but not bad tasting. I really would like to get TCR dialled in on the Puffco+ because I think that is going to make rosin even more incredible in the puffco+.

For full melt, I'll be sticking to the dynavap products although I may switch to the firefly 2 since I hear comparisons to the evo for concentrate use and that is very encouraging for not just full melt, but 4 star.

IMO I think we need to treat full melt differently from other concentrates where portables are concerned. Pens do not do a job with full melt IME that I regard as adequate, my experiences at present leave me keeping it for the e-nail or vapcap.

I do like the Puffco+ for rosin better than the omnivap though. Considerably better. The dabber in the mouthpiece is fucking incredible! It is game changingly helpful for on the go loading!

BTW I wanna speak to the issues that have been mentioned online in other places about the puffco+

I seemed to notice a few key complaints:

1. The air intake holes would clog for a lot of people.
2. The battery would die really quickly.
3. The atomizer would get hot.
4. Faults with the battery units that prevented them from working properly.

In my experience, using the puffco+ without the official battery, it works a dream. Battery life is great, no complaints at all! I've never had a clog (I do make sure to fully spend every load. This thing is really load as you go. If you get bigger than .15-.2g at the absolute maximum, you're gonna get gunk floating up into those holes. If you don't finish your load before putting the next dab into it, you're gonna get gunk buildup too.

The chamber qtips reasonably well, but like white ceramic does, it tends to absorb some gunk into the ceramic. It is essential not to try and heat clean that out of the ceramic as the overcooked flavor will be stuck in it. I wish the ceramic section was made of an aerospace type ceramic that and preferably, was removable for torching. I don't like traditional white ceramics for torch cleaning, only the more durable stuff like SiC.

My atomizer gets as hot as you would expect a ceramic mass to get after repeated uses. It hasn't ever gotten hot enough to burn me or be uncomfortable. I'm really happy with this cart. A great one for the niche role I needed it to fill.

I've had no battery issues because of course, I did not buy the puffco battery. I wonder if they often have problems because the battery itself seems a little underpowered for the task?

If the puffco really cant be used in tc modes (kanthal wire?) that alone would be more than enough for me to not use.

It is not that the Puffco+ can't be used in TC mode man, I just don't know of anyone who has ever tried it and I have not had the chance the times I used it with a mod. There is no mention of kanthal wire used in it anywhere that I know of.

BTW, this is a call out to anybody who can direct me to a vendor that sells all of the DT, kandypens and Linx carts? I wanna check them all out!

 

[invertedisdead]

Not at all man, your first post came across a little snarky but I'd abandoned any such notion as we continued talking and realized I'm sure you didn't mean to come across as such

I made no bones about deliberately being late to the ecig/cart portable oil game because until recently: the quality of pen carts has not been sufficient for me to want to put my meds inside any of the candidates.

I should mention I will not ever bother with rebuilding carts since I use pens so very very little, 0.05% of my usage is not an exaggeration!

I can't justify fucking around with atomizers and wires for something that I barely even touch in my day-to-day. I prefer to pay more for someone else to do the building of the cart because my time is better spent making more full melt than building carts

Of course, the above means that I am happy to look into any example cart that has a low cost (which is all of them in my view ). I'll check out the DT since you recommend it so, alongside a few others (Lynx hypnos zero, Kandypens etc) because why the hell not!? So long as there are no unsafe materials etc used in any of them (I'll have to look into this closer with each admittedly). I really need to find a vendor that stocks all of the popular coil-less parts and get one of each to save on shipping lol

BTW man IMO white ceramic never cleans perfectly unless it is directly heated. Torchable components is nice in a cart though and I'm interested to see the DT for this aspect you describe. One issue might be that to take apart and reassemble the respective parts could conceivably be more fucking around than I'm prepared to put into it. 4 minutes to rebuild a cart is not really something I care to do.

I have a different standard of cleaning to most I will concede. I want something that I can look at under a microscope and it still looks the same as when I bought it after heavy prolonged use. Like my sapphire or SiC stuff. For me, white ceramic is a compromise.

BTW bro, I suspected before you even said that you'd have had shitty experiences with quartz put you off nail use. It is so common because most people have never seen the advances beyond quartz bangers and barrel coils personally. Almost everyone I know who swears by pens have never experienced proper use of next gen enails.

Quartz bangers of this kind are so inefficient and you are preaching to the choir on that pooled material in the bottom of the quartz, that is some nasty tasting shit! In fact, residue from old hits on white ceramic reminds me of this taste. The uneven thermal distribution of quartz vs SiC and Sapphire also means that you'll have nice and not so nice tastes hitting your airways at the same time as material gets variously under and over cooked at the same time.

When you try a Silicone Carbide or Sapphire e-nail, you'll quickly understand why we dabbers see pens as inferior. The flavor is incomparable to anything else off of these materials (which btw FFS why have pen manufacturers not looked into using these materials too?! ). They clean like brand new. You can blowtorch silicone carbide until your torch runs out of butane without damaging it. Sapphire qtips cleaner than quartz because it gets the heat around more efficiently to every nook. If all else fails, while you can't torch sapphire, you can bring it up as hot as your e-nail coil can safely go (900-1000f is not uncommon) for a sustained period electronically for cleaning. No pen can do that!

BTW there is a definite distinction between oil and full melt in terms of how the two behave when heated. Full melt bubbles very violently and this can cause a small load to swell above the air intake holes.This is quite problematic in the design of the puffco+ and my major complaint aside from ease of cleanability being very lacking compared to e-nails (but this is true of pens generally IME).

Full melt also generally requires a longer wait for vapor production unless you slightly increase temps as the melting/bubbling stage has to take place before the material vaporizes. Full melt contains whole resin glands, including the secretory cells and outer membranes. These do not melt (contrary to the name) and leave residue in the nail.

I still think that for portable use that pens are not ideal for full melt, I'll continue trying other carts and see though. The latter hits of full melt in the Puffco+ do not taste anywhere near good enough. In coil based carts you can't even use full melt and ever get it clean so the Puffco+ performance is still an improvement in that way for full melt. Hopefully something else will do the job better. Otherwise I'm gonna probably bite the bullet and grab a firefly 2 for portable concentrate use

When you say you haven't noticed any problems with the Puffco, I just wonder how much you've really evaluated yet - since you'll use so infrequently (.05%) it will probably take a long time before you run a half gram through it. I would think the lack of surface area in the Puffco atomizer would be an issue for full melt. The whole DTv3 unit costs less than the replacement Puffco atomizer, it would be really cool to hear your thoughts on it; I'm sure you'll pick one up eventually. I think it would be hard to go back to a non temp controlled atomizer when using flavorful terpy material.

I think it's a little silly to mention how thorough your standards are for cleaning though but wont be bothered to rebuild a cart. It's 3 screws for the body and 2 on the donut. You could probably change a new donut in 60 seconds if you tried. If anything you would probably really like this option of being able to just use a brand new donut whenever you want and just cleaning the housing and mouthpiece. Matt is currently getting the DT tested for off gassing by the FDA in efforts to become medical grade.

 

[looney2nz]

While I have no experience with quartz or sapphire assemblies, one of these days I'd love to compare them.

That said, I've tried a number of desktop vapes, a number of o-pen(s), and the DT 2.5 and 3.0 (10mm and 13mm donuts) assemblies on Joyetech eVic VTwin Mini controllers.

There is NO comparison between an O-pen and the DT3.0 setups... the O-pen(s) I tried were consistently harsh as hell (even with PopNaturals CO2 oil cartridges), while the DT setups using syringes of the same PopNaturals oil were smooth and tasty. I couldn't sustain using the O-pens, it was tearing my throat up.

It's a fairly quick breakdown to disassemble and clean the DT atomizers, I unscrew the 3 outside screws, pull it apart, unscrew the 2 screws for the donut contacts, and then throw 'em all in 90% ISO and use a toothbrush to scrub 'em, air dry 'em with a hair dryer to evaporate any remaining ISO and reassemble.

I have 2 DT 3.0 assemblies with medium and large donuts, and swap out assemblies and rotate them for cleaning when I'm on the run and just want to throw stuff in for a good soak until I return. Between that and the swappable donuts and cups, you can update an assembly pretty quick and easy (I have 4 spare donuts and cups of each size).

 

[herbivore21]

When you say you haven't noticed any problems with the Puffco, I just wonder how much you've really evaluated yet - since you'll use so infrequently (.05%) it will probably take a long time before you run a half gram through it. I would think the lack of surface area in the Puffco atomizer would be an issue for full melt. The whole DTv3 unit costs less than the replacement Puffco atomizer, it would be really cool to hear your thoughts on it; I'm sure you'll pick one up eventually. I think it would be hard to go back to a non temp controlled atomizer when using flavorful terpy material.

I think it's a little silly to mention how thorough your standards are for cleaning though but wont be bothered to rebuild a cart. It's 3 screws for the body and 2 on the donut. You could probably change a new donut in 60 seconds if you tried. If anything you would probably really like this option of being able to just use a brand new donut whenever you want and just cleaning the housing and mouthpiece. Matt is currently getting the DT tested for off gassing by the FDA in efforts to become medical grade.

Dude, I ran .5g through it within a few days of owning it. The first thing I do with ANY product that I buy is run it as hard as I can with all of the kinds of extract I can muster for a few days so that any issues can be precipitated and warranty claimed if necessary. I set aside a whole day to get used to the product! This is for my medicine and is a major priority to me.

I will eventually check out all of these different pen carts I'm sure. Seems like one could buy every single cart on the market without spending as much as a sapphire insert for the liger lol (which I do not consider unreasonably priced at all.

Now as to 'I think it is silly' well my friend, think away. But if you want to call my needs and approach to pens silly, then you'll forgive me for having no interest in continuing to communicate with you

I will not go too far into the compelling medical reasons for why I do not want to fuck around with reassembly, but suffice to say you've put a foul taste in my mouth with this post, whether you meant to or not. Berating me for my needs as a person with disability is fucked up.

Obviously you may not have realized this was my reason, but understand that many of us are disabled on FC and that many medical situations would leave a pen that requires unscrewing and carrying additional tools around to fully clean a device impractical. I am a medical user who has major needs for a CLEAN device for medicating which can be cleaned sufficiently with minimal manual effort and can be done when out of the house with NO tools.

All that aside, don't tell me what I should prefer or decide to put up with and resort to calling me silly... That is some bullshit!

I'm outta this thread. Enjoy yourselves pen people.

 

[invertedisdead]

Dude, I ran .5g through it within a few days of owning it. The first thing I do with ANY product that I buy is run it as hard as I can with all of the kinds of extract I can muster for a few days so that any issues can be precipitated and warranty claimed if necessary. I set aside a whole day to get used to the product! This is for my medicine and is a major priority to me.

I will eventually check out all of these different pen carts I'm sure. Seems like one could buy every single cart on the market without spending as much as a sapphire insert for the liger lol (which I do not consider unreasonably priced at all.

Now as to 'I think it is silly' well my friend, think away. But if you want to call my needs and approach to pens silly, then you'll forgive me for having no interest in continuing to communicate with you

I will not go into the compelling medical reasons for why I do not want to fuck around with reassembly, but suffice to say you've put a foul taste in my mouth with this post, whether you meant to or not. Berating me for my needs as a person with disability is fucked up.

Obviously you may not have realized this was my reason, but understand that many of us are disabled on FC and that many medical situations would leave a pen that requires unscrewing and carrying additional tools around to fully clean a device impractical. I am a medical user who has major needs for a CLEAN device for medicating which can be cleaned sufficiently with minimal manual effort and can be done when out of the house with NO tools.

All that aside, don't tell me what I should prefer or decide to put up with and resort to calling me silly... That is some bullshit!

I'm outta this thread. Enjoy yourselves pen people.

Feel free to quote where I berated you.

Man come on "don't tell me what I should prefer"
I literally said "if anything you would probably really like this" does that sound as rude and forceful as you are making it out to be? Really?

Also, you don't have to carry tools to unscrew anything if you don't want to. You can just throw it away and open a brand new one just like those other throw away atomizers if you want.

 

[herbivore21]

I think it's a little silly to mention how thorough your standards are for cleaning though but wont be bothered to rebuild a cart.

This here implies that what I have said is contradictory. Also calls me 'silly'.

When you suggest that my view is contradictory/nonsensical, this carries the implication that one should be less 'contradictory/nonsensical'. That is where I got the sense of being told what to do.

BTW, 'thorough cleaning' does not entail having to accept rebuilding a cart to do it. I made it clear in the very first place that for my purposes, this is not suitable. You decided to respond stating that my view seems silly and contradictory to you in so many words.

Also I already stated long ago that I would be just as happy to replace carts if they last a reasonable timeframe. The entire tangent on rebuilding was unnecessary. You were trying to argue me into doing something I'd already stated was impractical and telling me that my position was silly and didn't make sense. That shit rubs me the wrong way.

That was unwarranted and unwelcome and what I have taken issue with. You may have thought that was nothing, it didn't come across as such. Maybe I have different standards for civility that I expect from others. Regardless, I decide the standards of interactions with other people that I will accept. I have no desire to post further in this thread! Good day to you.

 

[invertedisdead]

Because it did seem contradictory when presented with the one device that truly allows the most thorough cleaning, which you expressed as being an utmost importance. If someone was going to take the time to inspect their cleaning under a microscope, it doesn't set the impression that they would be hassled to unscrew a donut.

You're right, thorough cleaning does not entail rebuilding anything. Like I said, get a new one. That's as thorough as it gets, right?

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

I'm outta this thread. Enjoy yourselves pen people.

But i bet youll come back and read?

Cmon guys, play nice

I dont think inverted meant to be rude, but maybe not the best choice of words? I think maybe silly was not the best pick there.

I see the apparent contradiction in that you want a 100% cleanable cart, but cant bother to open it? Afaik none of these other portable carts or attys allow you to rebuild and touch and access every single space and clean it to like-new. Only opening it allows you to do that. Simply burning clean without touching the screws leaves residue underneath.

Maybe im missing something, but are there any other portable attys that DO allow you to fully access and clean every single part?


And is made with medical grade materials, rips super hard with accurate TC and excellent flavor? If something else like that exists that you dont have to keep plugged into a wall, i want that

You can just throw away 20 dollar carts instead of cleaning them, but after a single puff, it has reclaim, so do you want a new cart for every loading of concentrate and consider it single use? Im not clear on what your cleanliness and sanitary/medical needs are for these kinds of devices.

Herbi, my buddy looney2nz has some disability also, i believe, and he gets by fine servicing his dt v3, and many others do as well, with a steady hand and decent eyesight.

I can only speak for myself, but i would love to see you try and evaluate the dt donuts, and all the rest while you're at it? Clearly you have tons of knowledge and experience with concentrates and related stuff, and many people on this forum seek your counsel and listen to you.

Its hard to keep up with every single post and thread on FC, and i feel like the DT donuts are the best kept secret that is wide open for all. Nearly everyone who tries it loves it seems, or those who hate it iust remain silent? Some have compared the flavor as nearly as good or on par with the liger sic bangers. I think some of us just want to put you up on it bc we think you may like it.. at least for a portable.

If the dt v3 cant satisfy your needs, then (but the puffco does? I don't get it, it seems like a reclaim mess) i dont think any portable oil vape will be able to for several years to come.

I just hope youll reconsider and try it out..also i want to get back and talk to you about your last reply to me, but im tapping into my phone during lunch (the worst posts) so ill save that for later, even if I don't get further posts on this thread?

 

[nosmoking]

But i bet youll come back and read?

Cmon guys, play nice

I dont think inverted meant to be rude, but maybe not the best choice of words? I think maybe silly was not the best pick there.

I see the apparent contradiction in that you want a 100% cleanable cart, but cant bother to open it? Afaik none of these other portable carts or attys allow you to rebuild and touch and access every single space and clean it to like-new. Only opening it allows you to do that. Simply burning clean without touching the screws leaves residue underneath.

Maybe im missing something, but are there any other portable attys that DO allow you to fully access and clean every single part?


And is made with medical grade materials, rips super hard with accurate TC and excellent flavor? If something else like that exists that you dont have to keep plugged into a wall, i want that

You can just throw away 20 dollar carts instead of cleaning them, but after a single puff, it has reclaim, so do you want a new cart for every loading of concentrate and consider it single use? Im not clear on what your cleanliness and sanitary/medical needs are for these kinds of devices.

Herbi, my buddy looney2nz has some disability also, i believe, and he gets by fine servicing his dt v3, and many others do as well, with a steady hand and decent eyesight.

I can only speak for myself, but i would love to see you try and evaluate the dt donuts, and all the rest while you're at it? Clearly you have tons of knowledge and experience with concentrates and related stuff, and many people on this forum seek your counsel and listen to you.

Its hard to keep up with every single post and thread on FC, and i feel like the DT donuts are the best kept secret that is wide open for all. Nearly everyone who tries it loves it seems, or those who hate it iust remain silent? Some have compared the flavor as nearly as good or on par with the liger sic bangers. I think some of us just want to put you up on it bc we think you may like it.. at least for a portable.

If the dt v3 cant satisfy your needs, then (but the puffco does? I don't get it, it seems like a reclaim mess) i dont think any portable oil vape will be able to for several years to come.

I just hope youll reconsider and try it out..also i want to get back and talk to you about your last reply to me, but im tapping into my phone during lunch (the worst posts) so ill save that for later, even if I don't get further posts on this thread?

The Puffco Plus does allow you to access and clean every part without disassembly. Since the heater is below a dish its as simple as swab the dish just like an enail.

I completely understand why @herbivore is not convinced on the DT. There are many reasons I am not sold on it like the simple reason that exposed donut tech is flawed IMO because you cannot clean it without disassembly. Thats probably a big reason why DT is trying to get crucibles/cups for the atomizers he sells. I also would not take well to someone telling me its no big deal to take apart the atomizer for thorough cleaning as I just dont have time for that shit. I am a very busy person at home and work so I really appreciate the ease of sticking a q-tip in the Puffco Plus and spinning it around a couple times after one heat cycle to get it brand new white again!

Those of you who have posted about the DT have had very little to say about the Puffco Plus. You have even criticized or questioned the performance, yet you have not tried any such device because it is currently the only one. It shows that you guys did not look into the Puffco Plus really and do not understand its design.

Please don't take my words as further contradiction. Instead, please understand them as another perspective.

 

[invertedisdead]

I understand the Puffco plus perfectly, I'm skeptical after all of the bad reviews and reports on it. It definitely does not have many supporters on FC, which is a red flag to me if the atomizer works so well, I feel like everybody would be talking about it. I love the cup idea for sure, but it would be super frustrating to go back to such a small atomizer. The DT surface area is a game changer for me.

 

[looney2nz]

I vote with Vape Donkey. Everyone take a step back, take a breath, remember that most of what we're doing here is also to help others, not just ourselves. Play nice

That said, I don't know what Herbi's disability is so I would not infer that cleaning is a trivial task.
I do indeed have disabilities, that make standing and walking very problematic without a walker, but my fingers are ok. The cancer being the other fun thrown into my mix.

So now, how about we all take a slightly different tack, and see if anyone has any experience with units that may better suit Herbivore's needs and limitations.

You know what would be interesting? If we could set up regional meets, have a party and get a feel for these other technologies that we don't have direct experience with (hell, for an FC party, I'd imagine a bunch of manufacturers wouldn't mind bringing samples, considering how much we tend to push the stuff we like/believe in). I haven't looked on YouTube lately, but I'd be curious how many vape manufacturers have use/cleaning videos there. Would also be a nice place to sample concentrates from other suppliers, or other types of concentrates (live resin)... just an idea

 

[PPN]

The Puffco Plus does allow you to access and clean every part without disassembly. Since the heater is below a dish its as simple as swab the dish just like an enail.

I completely understand why @herbivore is not convinced on the DT. There are many reasons I am not sold on it like the simple reason that exposed donut tech is flawed IMO because you cannot clean it without disassembly. Thats probably a big reason why DT is trying to get crucibles/cups for the atomizers he sells. I also would not take well to someone telling me its no big deal to take apart the atomizer for thorough cleaning as I just dont have time for that shit. I am a very busy person at home and work so I really appreciate the ease of sticking a q-tip in the Puffco Plus and spinning it around a couple times after one heat cycle to get it brand new white again!

Those of you who have posted about the DT have had very little to say about the Puffco Plus. You have even criticized or questioned the performance, yet you have not tried any such device because it is currently the only one. It shows that you guys did not look into the Puffco Plus really and do not understand its design.

Please don't take my words as further contradiction. Instead, please understand them as another perspective.

My experience about ceramic cup/dish versus donut leaded me to prefer the DT V3 versus the Dabstorm2.0 which use a ceramic dish. The donut produces tastier and smoothier hits and since the reclaim is going under the cup it is not anymore heated for the next hit/reload...until there is too much reclaims here and a cleaning is needed.