Zepto| The World's First Credit Card Vaporizer
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herbivore21
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So this to me seems like a non-pen based conduction oil solution (with ejuice compatibility coming later, which for me is irrelevant, I don't vape solvents 
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I love that you guys are using QI wireless charging (please don't tell me you're using some proprietary wireless charging standard!?). This is a really good idea for a vaporizer! However, do you also support wired charging ie: micro usb or similar?
Moreover, I am loving that you guys have heater options which are not metal based/do not contain metal. The days where I will use metal heaters for vaping oil are long gone. I spend most of my time at home and am way too used to dabbing on sapphire to want to fuck around with metal coils.
I am interested to hear about the glass heater! Is it glass, quartz or some other kind of mineral? I only ask because the melting point of most normal glasses/pyrex is far too low to be used to heat up to oil vaping temps without degradation. What have you guys done here to ensure no degradation of the element?
I really like the idea of this device. It looks like a portable batter charger. I trust the claim that being made of steel, this could go into a wallet without getting damaged - this sounds like a great idea! Very discrete and easy to use.
Ok now for the adjustable airflow - is the adjustment mechanism one that locks into place when you have adjusted airflow to your preference? Or is this more of a free moving obstruction in front of the air inlets/outlets? Free moving adjustable airflow features are really frustrating IME, there needs to be a way to secure the airflow in your preferred position so that a bump or a jolt doesn't move it (I found this problem with the KISS Alpha Centauri carts, it really annoys me!).
Also talk to us about the kind of price range you are shooting for. Being that your direct competition is gonna be pens, you are not gonna be able to charge hundreds of dollars and remain competitive. I am more than happy to pay more money for something that works better than the rest of course - Hell, I dab on a $250 USD dish before we even get to the enail parts and base of the nail lol - Still, you guys would likely need a custom sapphire heater to compete with that setup.
This really does sound like the first genuinely innovative oil portable I've seen in a while though, I am quite interested!
Still, tell me this - is there going to be an adapter to connect this to GonG joints (ie to a glass oil rig)? This would just be gravy, and would be a great additional accessory if you had not yet planned to do this
).I love that you guys are using QI wireless charging (please don't tell me you're using some proprietary wireless charging standard!?). This is a really good idea for a vaporizer! However, do you also support wired charging ie: micro usb or similar?
Moreover, I am loving that you guys have heater options which are not metal based/do not contain metal. The days where I will use metal heaters for vaping oil are long gone. I spend most of my time at home and am way too used to dabbing on sapphire to want to fuck around with metal coils.
I am interested to hear about the glass heater! Is it glass, quartz or some other kind of mineral? I only ask because the melting point of most normal glasses/pyrex is far too low to be used to heat up to oil vaping temps without degradation. What have you guys done here to ensure no degradation of the element?
I really like the idea of this device. It looks like a portable batter charger. I trust the claim that being made of steel, this could go into a wallet without getting damaged - this sounds like a great idea! Very discrete and easy to use.
Ok now for the adjustable airflow - is the adjustment mechanism one that locks into place when you have adjusted airflow to your preference? Or is this more of a free moving obstruction in front of the air inlets/outlets? Free moving adjustable airflow features are really frustrating IME, there needs to be a way to secure the airflow in your preferred position so that a bump or a jolt doesn't move it (I found this problem with the KISS Alpha Centauri carts, it really annoys me!).
Also talk to us about the kind of price range you are shooting for. Being that your direct competition is gonna be pens, you are not gonna be able to charge hundreds of dollars and remain competitive. I am more than happy to pay more money for something that works better than the rest of course - Hell, I dab on a $250 USD dish before we even get to the enail parts and base of the nail lol - Still, you guys would likely need a custom sapphire heater to compete with that setup.
This really does sound like the first genuinely innovative oil portable I've seen in a while though, I am quite interested!
Still, tell me this - is there going to be an adapter to connect this to GonG joints (ie to a glass oil rig)? This would just be gravy, and would be a great additional accessory if you had not yet planned to do this
virtualpurple
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@VapinVentor i appreciate your snappy return to the thread.
While I would probably never store a unit in my wallet I personally appreciate the idea that a vape could conceivably be so narrow and light. And if the unit should prove as efficient as my current on-the-go vapes I would certainly be interested (assuming the price is right)
With regards to your dry herb model, are you considering incorporating some sort of canister so that users may have a few packed and ready to go? If that's not currently in the works I would like to suggest it for consideration. It would help keep the unit cleaner and would certainly increase its appeal to me.
I'd like to hear more about the size of the dry herb chamber and how much material we could expect it to hold.
VP
While I would probably never store a unit in my wallet I personally appreciate the idea that a vape could conceivably be so narrow and light. And if the unit should prove as efficient as my current on-the-go vapes I would certainly be interested (assuming the price is right)
With regards to your dry herb model, are you considering incorporating some sort of canister so that users may have a few packed and ready to go? If that's not currently in the works I would like to suggest it for consideration. It would help keep the unit cleaner and would certainly increase its appeal to me.
I'd like to hear more about the size of the dry herb chamber and how much material we could expect it to hold.
VP
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So obviously your a tough customer, there's no reason to be so harsh. We respect your opinion and skepticism, all we can do is move forward and try to get you on our side.
We are trying be as informative as possible. At the same time we did mention that we have to wait to get the fully functional prototype to really give conclusive answers after testing.
As a matter of fact I made a couple of rough prototypes in my garage myself. They're far from the finished product but they do prove that the concept is possible! Click the links below and check it out for yourself. (The parts/materials/components in the videos below are in no way the final components )
Seems like your going off of assumptions and saying things just for the sake of argument, and thats not cool man.. We'd appreciate if you'd reconsider your stance.
Thanks!
Well you certainly do think outside of the box! And you definitely make some valid situational points.
To address your points generally and then some in detail (These responses are in no way intended to be arguments, just thoughts on your valuable points)
I wouldn’t exactly say you took it in a direction never intended, and I wouldn’t note it as only a visual example. We do want Zepto to fit in any standard wallet so that vapers can always have their vape with them without having to be conscious of it. If they have their wallet (which people almost always do) then they know they have their Vape too.
Taking your points into account opens our eyes to the idea that some people may be concerned with how zepto would mesh with the rest of the usual wallet inhabitants. Although we have designed Zepto to fit into any standard wallet/credit card slot, moving forward we will be considering designing a wallet particularly for Zepto. The wallet would accommodate a place for zepto and a place for all other wallet items such as credit cards ,id’s, money, pictures/memorabilia, multi tools and such. Not to mention so many cool features can be included into the Zepto wallet like a secret compartment devoted to zepto, maybe with even a little extra padding if necessary, or even air tight humidity prevention.
There are several other ways of storing credit cards or ZeptO vaporizer. For example, there are many phone cases out there that are made for credit card storage in the back of the phone. Even basic soft silicone phone cases can probably store zepto in between the back of the phone and the case. Here are some examples:
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Looking at the big picture- like with anything else, when people get something they want, like or prefer, they may need to compromise in certain areas. For example if you prefer a sporty roadster coupe as a vehicle you have to give up the ability to have back seats. When it comes down to Zepto possibly interfering with other items that are stored in the wallet (other than credit cards) the user may have to prioritize whether they prefer a key/multi-tool/comb over having Zepto in their wallet.
-If I’m exercising or engaging in a physical activity, I usually unload my pockets first. I do this because of more so of the fact that I don't want anything falling out, getting lost or damaged.
-The moisture would first have to form in your pocket so technically this situation can apply to any vape that you would keep in your pocket. Or for that matter even phones, I mean we keep our phones in our pockets nearly all day, every day right?
This is a good point and shines light on some things we should take into consideration.
-Any other wallet product such as a multi-tool or backup battery are of similar dimensions to Zepto, and i don't think they lead to any sort of warping of credit cards. So I wouldn't expect Zepto to either.
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So obviously your a tough customer, there's no reason to be so harsh. We respect your opinion and skepticism, all we can do is move forward and try to get you on our side.
We are trying be as informative as possible. At the same time we did mention that we have to wait to get the fully functional prototype to really give conclusive answers after testing.
As a matter of fact I made a couple of rough prototypes in my garage myself. They're far from the finished product but they do prove that the concept is possible! Click the links below and check it out for yourself. (The parts/materials/components in the videos below are in no way the final components )
We have tons of metal shaped cards at different thicknesses and tapers that we made in efforts to see what are acceptable thicknesses, how it would actually fit in the wallet, and how it would feel overall. Also I carry one of the home-made prototypes with me on a daily basis just in case someone would be interested in seeing it. So I can confidently say that I do have a good idea of how it would feel. Again we did say that we need to get the final prototype to really verify the durability and feel of it in the wallet.
Seems like your going off of assumptions and saying things just for the sake of argument, and thats not cool man.. We'd appreciate if you'd reconsider your stance.
Thanks!
Well you certainly do think outside of the box! And you definitely make some valid situational points.
To address your points generally and then some in detail (These responses are in no way intended to be arguments, just thoughts on your valuable points)
I wouldn’t exactly say you took it in a direction never intended, and I wouldn’t note it as only a visual example. We do want Zepto to fit in any standard wallet so that vapers can always have their vape with them without having to be conscious of it. If they have their wallet (which people almost always do) then they know they have their Vape too.
Taking your points into account opens our eyes to the idea that some people may be concerned with how zepto would mesh with the rest of the usual wallet inhabitants. Although we have designed Zepto to fit into any standard wallet/credit card slot, moving forward we will be considering designing a wallet particularly for Zepto. The wallet would accommodate a place for zepto and a place for all other wallet items such as credit cards ,id’s, money, pictures/memorabilia, multi tools and such. Not to mention so many cool features can be included into the Zepto wallet like a secret compartment devoted to zepto, maybe with even a little extra padding if necessary, or even air tight humidity prevention.
There are several other ways of storing credit cards or ZeptO vaporizer. For example, there are many phone cases out there that are made for credit card storage in the back of the phone. Even basic soft silicone phone cases can probably store zepto in between the back of the phone and the case. Here are some examples:
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Looking at the big picture- like with anything else, when people get something they want, like or prefer, they may need to compromise in certain areas. For example if you prefer a sporty roadster coupe as a vehicle you have to give up the ability to have back seats. When it comes down to Zepto possibly interfering with other items that are stored in the wallet (other than credit cards) the user may have to prioritize whether they prefer a key/multi-tool/comb over having Zepto in their wallet.
-I am from New York and it does tend to get pretty hot here over the summer, I personally have never experienced my wallet developing moisture or getting wet from sweating. However I’m not ruling it out as an impossibility.
-If I’m exercising or engaging in a physical activity, I usually unload my pockets first. I do this because of more so of the fact that I don't want anything falling out, getting lost or damaged.
-The moisture would first have to form in your pocket so technically this situation can apply to any vape that you would keep in your pocket. Or for that matter even phones, I mean we keep our phones in our pockets nearly all day, every day right?
This is a good point and shines light on some things we should take into consideration.
-Considering that Zepto is mostly a flat surface it really shouldn’t warp or crack anything. Nevertheless we will test all of this and see how the final model gets along with all other wallet inhabitants.
-Any other wallet product such as a multi-tool or backup battery are of similar dimensions to Zepto, and i don't think they lead to any sort of warping of credit cards. So I wouldn't expect Zepto to either.
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While I do like the idea of this design it's not the first out there and it won't be last.
Imag Junior and flameless lighters.
Also patent pending is good but you can only patent the shape of this device, everything else has been out before you guys even applied for a patent so it's public domain now.
Now continuing on
As @thekarmawhore stated and looking at your videos confirms it, you have a proof of concept at max a Alpha prototype. When you get into beta testing your going to figure out air paths first and secondly how you will replace the coils when they burn out and given that you are thinking of doing 15 seconds of power it's gonna be one hell of a ride, because now you have viscous oil that's vertical and no where near the heater and slowly draining into small spaces.
Not trying to discourage you, but the design isn't worth while because it has been done before.
Horizontal coils is best.
So no your engineering isn't done yet, in fact I will say it has not started yet.
But that's how every revolutionary vaporizer is born and that is proving everyone wrong and doing what others couldn't.
Imag Junior and flameless lighters.
Also patent pending is good but you can only patent the shape of this device, everything else has been out before you guys even applied for a patent so it's public domain now.
Now continuing on
As @thekarmawhore stated and looking at your videos confirms it, you have a proof of concept at max a Alpha prototype. When you get into beta testing your going to figure out air paths first and secondly how you will replace the coils when they burn out and given that you are thinking of doing 15 seconds of power it's gonna be one hell of a ride, because now you have viscous oil that's vertical and no where near the heater and slowly draining into small spaces.
Not trying to discourage you, but the design isn't worth while because it has been done before.
Horizontal coils is best.
So no your engineering isn't done yet, in fact I will say it has not started yet.
But that's how every revolutionary vaporizer is born and that is proving everyone wrong and doing what others couldn't.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
The first thing I thought when I saw the coils in the videos was they better be easily replaceable.
That's a good point as well!
That's a good point as well!
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Off the bat i’d like to address the statements we made.
We were mainly responding to these comments:
"Who wants to bet the shape of this vape will have drastically changed and their claims too when the first users will get them in 2 or 3 years?"
"I bet this never sees the light of day to be honest. I'd like to see it and use it one day but reality tells me it won't come out or if it does, there will be something better like it already out. Good luck."
These comments definitely weren’t very pleasant so that was our response to back ourselves up. Zepto has been completely and extensively cad designed/engineered. Almost all components have been sourced, tested, measured and accommodated for in the CAD modeling. Being that we were trying to back ourselves up in response to these comments, we were heading more in the direction that Zepto’s shape and features are set in stone. We wanted to make it clear that despite any minor changes and modifications during/after the prototyping process, the shape will remain the same.
In regards to prototyping, you are 100% right and I 100% agree with you that the prototyping process is imperative. There will most likely be several prototypes, each incrementally improving towards the finished product/ production model!
My background is not engineering, although I love engineering and am fascinated with creating. Aside from being an avid Vaper, I've learned the inside's and out's of vaporizers so that I can steer the design in the best possible direction (I've taken apart almost every vape in my possession haha). Of course my ‘engineering’ know-how pales in comparison to your 25 years of product development experience. So we thank you for being open to helping us and we will definitely take you up on that offer, it would be great to have a seasoned vaper/product developer like yourself contribute to Zepto!
With that said I have never been through developing a product from concept through production, but my engineering team has tons of experience in that field, and I have been involved in every aspect of the design so I’m fully aware of where everything is in terms of progress and i'm confident that my engineering team is on top of everything. So hopefully everything goes well !
We don’t find this as patronizing or as a burn in any way! And again we appreciate everything !
Thanks Karma!
Yep! As far as we know it's the first of its kind!
We love that you love the QI wireless charging! Other than the charging station platform, we are considering also having a stick-on pad that would attach to the bottom surface of Zepto and that would serve as the wired type of charging solution. We are still unsure how practical this option is but the idea is up in the air. Many people expressed wanting to be able to vape while charging. So this would be a solution to that!
Thanks for the enthusiasm! Metal isn’t very pure and can have contaminants, thats why many times you have to dry burn coils to burn off anything; off the bat that would turn me off from metal coils! We are very excited to introduce heating element options!
We are happy that you want to hear more about the glass heating element, as it is proprietary to The VapinVentors technology!
It is pure clear glass! We have not looked into the degradation of glass, but from what some quick online research shows:
Glass' melting point is 2700 F that is well over vaporizing temperatures for oils. We will look more into the degradation of the glass. Worst case scenario the solution to the degradation of the glass is just replacing the atomizer with a new one!
The Glass should last a very lengthy amount of time vs standard coils. Coils burn out and I think in some cases oxidize, which leads to a shortened life span of each coil, and as a result you have to replace the coil relatively often.
If you have more knowledge on the degradation of glass we would definitely like to hear more!
We can’t stress enough how thankful we are for your confidence in Zepto!
Very good question, the adjustable air-flow will have two locked in positions. Open and closed. Anything in between will be more of a free moving obstruction. Although we do expect it to move with slight resistance, so it wont just be wobbling back and forth when not locked in.
Hahaha we will definitely look into the sapphire for future references! The price range is yet to be determined, so we don’t want to give any concrete figures as of now. What we can say is that vaporizers like the micro-gpen and cloudV range from 65$-80$ and that we don’t plan on charging hundreds for ZeptO. So I guess we are aiming anywhere in between there! Hope that gives you an idea!
We felt the same when creating it so we are happy you think so too!
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Thanks for taking the time and thoughtful effort to address my points ...much appreciated! The points I raised actually stem from my own personal experience, not hypotheticals. Working three jobs 7 days/week here in sweaty South Florida, I often transition from one to the next without any delay afforded me in between, so haven't the time, luxury location, or presence of mind to tend to a quick change of clothing or emptying of pockets. Poor excuse, but that's how it is. Lots of heavy-duty indoors/outdoors manual labor is required of me oftentimes, and I can lose as much as 5+ lbs. of sweat doing so. My clothing is usually rung out before going into the washing machine, and my wallets (some leather, some not) and contents are set out in front of a high-speed fan until dry - in all, not a pleasant image or topic for conversation at the supper table, but thems the facts, at least in this hard working stiff's life
. Over all, this may be a relatively minor concern, or even a 1 in 10,000 occurrence for a happy ZeptO user (and I hope you sell that many), so the point needn't be belabored further (admittedly I'm nitpicking) - but sometimes it's the discounted littlest things that make huge inconvenient differences - just sayin. 
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We have a whole list of convenience accessories in mind, and will be releasing them incrementally so that we can get some solid feed back! We definitely will add that to the list!
Again thanks for the positive comment it's much appreciated, and I hope I answered most if not all of your questions! Looking forward to hearing back!
You hit the nail on the head with that VP ! That is exactly what we plan to do with the Dry-herb model.
We cant wait to get some images up of the model and the accessories that would contribute to its convenience!
We are still determining the size of the dry-herb chamber, we will give more concrete measurement soon.
But if I were to give a reference in size, I would say a little larger than the size of a piece of chiclet gum! We will definitely try to maximize the size of oven to hold as much herb as possible.
In regards to the Wallet concern, Check out the links in the posts above and responses about Zepto being stored in a wallet!
Again, we appreciate everyones interest & feedback! Feel free to check out our site at http://www.vapinventors.com & subscribe to our emailing list on http://zeptovape.com
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Still, tell me this - is there going to be an adapter to connect this to GonG joints (ie to a glass oil rig)? This would just be gravy, and would be a great additional accessory if you had not yet planned to do this
We have a whole list of convenience accessories in mind, and will be releasing them incrementally so that we can get some solid feed back! We definitely will add that to the list!
Again thanks for the positive comment it's much appreciated, and I hope I answered most if not all of your questions! Looking forward to hearing back!
You hit the nail on the head with that VP ! That is exactly what we plan to do with the Dry-herb model.
We cant wait to get some images up of the model and the accessories that would contribute to its convenience!
We are still determining the size of the dry-herb chamber, we will give more concrete measurement soon.
But if I were to give a reference in size, I would say a little larger than the size of a piece of chiclet gum! We will definitely try to maximize the size of oven to hold as much herb as possible.
In regards to the Wallet concern, Check out the links in the posts above and responses about Zepto being stored in a wallet!
Again, we appreciate everyones interest & feedback! Feel free to check out our site at http://www.vapinventors.com & subscribe to our emailing list on http://zeptovape.com
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IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
@VapinVentor
Welcome back and appreciate your more humble approach. Best of luck, we are a tough bunch until you get to know us. If you stand stong and deliver and keep us involved throughout, you will end up with a loyal army of followers and support on FC... i may have seen it happen once or twice before. But respect in this way is earned, not given.
Welcome back and appreciate your more humble approach. Best of luck, we are a tough bunch until you get to know us. If you stand stong and deliver and keep us involved throughout, you will end up with a loyal army of followers and support on FC... i may have seen it happen once or twice before. But respect in this way is earned, not given.
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virtualpurple
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Happy you like it man!
Not the first wallet gadget, definitely. Not the last wallet gadget, probably.
But from the research we have conducted, we uncovered no credit card vaporizers / E-cigarettes in existence.
It's the first credit card vaporizer!
The imag junior is a china made vape that is a result of the disconnect between the people that vape (actually know about vapes) and the people that are mass producing them. They claim to be a dry-herb vape, when it's the furthest thing from that. This thing combusts for days!
Despite the way the Imag looks, its not the dimensions of a credit card. Also is equivalent to about 11+ credit cards in thickness.
From what I remember, it seemed like the flameless lighters came around and became more prominent around the same time e-cigs did, if not slightly later, so Im assuming someone somewhere put two and two together and realized that the vapes have battery powered coils and figured, why not make a flameless lighter. Regardless, none of the flameless lighters are as small as Zepto. Nor are there any credit card shaped flameless lighters (based on some quick research).
(the thought of giving out a credit card flameless lighter as a promotional freebie has dawned on us before) (but it would have to be created first)
So if you're attempting to use a flameless lighter as an example of existing before Zepto, on a basic level it all comes down to a button, a battery and a heater/coil. So if talking in terms of that then you could say that any vape is not the first or the last.
Yep! That is what is patent pending. The form factor of a vaporizer/e-cig being the size of a credit card. I filed the patent around a year ago, so we are awaiting approval any time now!
So those videos were made a while ago along with those prototypes. We have made much progress since! Not sure if you completely read our prior posts, but just to clarify, we have already extensively designed/engineered Zepto; that includes the airways and a system for replacing the heating elements (we incorporated spring pins that both make electrical contact with the atomizer [heating element bowl] and also hold it in place).
As for the oil draining into small places, that is a good point! And it was taken into consideration a long time ago.
Certain measures have been taken to make sure it does not seep anywhere.
One is the surface area of the Glass and ceramic heating elements are large vs current coil atomizers. So to paint a picture, if you put a descent booger sized dab on and it melts, as a result it spreads thinly across the heating element and vaporizes simultaneously.
If there is any essential oil left over, inside the atomizer, it will return to its original viscous state.
(As for the coil heating element we may even include the rope wick usually found in atomizers, which will retain the oil )
Also the Sliding mechanism keeps everything contained within the Atomizer bowl (heating element bowl).
So taking all this into consideration there shouldn't be a problem with seepage.
Again we are gonna have to test ZeptO when we get the fully functional prototype to see if it's 100% and whether we need to tweak certain things for the better.
(In addition I have a micro g-pen and so far no matter how i hold the vape - horizontally, diagonally, vertically, even upside down I've never experienced wax seeping out of the bowl, seems to really get in there and stay in there after just melting it once. (Probably due to the high viscosity of it)
We have seen wallet flashlights, wallet batteries, wallet knives, wallet mult-tools, and even wallet shaving razors, etc.
But never a Credit card vaporizer/ E-cig !
Even if something has been done before, doesn't mean it should just be left the way it is.
For Example: The light-bulb has come a long way since Edison first invented it. If people decided it wasn't worth pursuing because someone did it before, we probably wouldn't have all the different and more efficient lighting solutions we have today.
Thats also like saying the Grasshopper shouldn't have been pursued because there have been other pen shaped vapes.
The way i see it, There's always room for improvement!
If you're basing this statement off of the videos then i would say thats not a great source, the sole purpose of them was to make a proof of concept and plus i like tinkering so i wanted to build them. If you were really interested in finding out how far we actually are into engineering you could've just asked
whether about the airways or the replaceable heating elements.Again not only is the engineering started, but we are well in. We are sourcing some final parts. We cant wait to get the fully functional prototype up to really prove how far the design has really come!
Very true and thats what we hope to do!
Thanks!!
-VapinVentor
@VapinVentor I wish you all the best in your journey into Vapeworld.
Rest assured the FC community will give you very valuable insights into the development of Zepto.
From my stand point I feel you will have be up front and very honest when it comes to posting here. The one thing you will find is that most people will look at your ideas and rip them to bits unless, as stated by others already, you have something to show them.
Don't make claims about heat and battery life etc until you have a prototype to follow these claims up with.
I too have been involved in prototype work and we actually built things to prove the idea rather than the other way around.
My opinion is battery life can't be great you don't have the room for the necessary mah.
It will get hot. The only insulation I can think of that would stop this heat transfer is aerogel but I don't think it will be of much use at the thickness you require. I've also read it's not the friendliest of substances to be inhaling. Even if it's sealed away people will look for the worst case scenario.
Take a look at the Firefly tear down video. The thing gets in such a mess inside. Something you must also consider.
Will the battery be replaceable if not then does it become an expensive disposable or do you have plans to be able to swap out the dead ones?
Be upfront, be honest and don't make claims until you've got video evidence and/or you've gathered beta testing information to back claims up with.
I understand your excitement. Fuk me my life has been taken over by the Zion buzz.
A very good thread for you to read and absorb.
The majority of FC'ers will be more than happy to help out yourselves and any other manufacturers after all they directly benefit from the outcome if they like your product and it works.
Stick at it and don't let negative feedback bring you down but at the same time listen.
Good luck.
Rest assured the FC community will give you very valuable insights into the development of Zepto.
From my stand point I feel you will have be up front and very honest when it comes to posting here. The one thing you will find is that most people will look at your ideas and rip them to bits unless, as stated by others already, you have something to show them.
Don't make claims about heat and battery life etc until you have a prototype to follow these claims up with.
I too have been involved in prototype work and we actually built things to prove the idea rather than the other way around.
My opinion is battery life can't be great you don't have the room for the necessary mah.
It will get hot. The only insulation I can think of that would stop this heat transfer is aerogel but I don't think it will be of much use at the thickness you require. I've also read it's not the friendliest of substances to be inhaling. Even if it's sealed away people will look for the worst case scenario.
Take a look at the Firefly tear down video. The thing gets in such a mess inside. Something you must also consider.
Will the battery be replaceable if not then does it become an expensive disposable or do you have plans to be able to swap out the dead ones?
Be upfront, be honest and don't make claims until you've got video evidence and/or you've gathered beta testing information to back claims up with.
I understand your excitement. Fuk me my life has been taken over by the Zion buzz.
A very good thread for you to read and absorb.
The majority of FC'ers will be more than happy to help out yourselves and any other manufacturers after all they directly benefit from the outcome if they like your product and it works.
Stick at it and don't let negative feedback bring you down but at the same time listen.
Good luck.
Zepto - Redefining Portability
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- VapinVentors
Come Check Out Our Blog Post On Medium !
https://medium.com/@ZeptoVape/zepto-redefining-portability-4082b3172902
We'll continue to release more information on every feature as we move on!
- VapinVentors
@VapinVentor not trying to discourage you, just saying the opposite. Your only issue that needs to be over come is the glass heater, the power requirements for heating glass surface is huge, and if you already have done that then more power to you.
But your comment about "its engineered and ready" but you still don't have a prototype to test is whats troubling some engineers here. That means you do not know the power requirements of glass heaters or even ceramic and how it is effected in real world use. A large ceramic and glass surface area requires a lot of power to heat up past 300F.
On that note i hope you succeed as this industry really needs unique designs. I was in your shoes once so believe me there will be a lot of people not believing you until you deliver.
On a side note. Oil hates heat. So even using a silica wick or any type of wick means its going to try and run away from it.
But your comment about "its engineered and ready" but you still don't have a prototype to test is whats troubling some engineers here. That means you do not know the power requirements of glass heaters or even ceramic and how it is effected in real world use. A large ceramic and glass surface area requires a lot of power to heat up past 300F.
On that note i hope you succeed as this industry really needs unique designs. I was in your shoes once so believe me there will be a lot of people not believing you until you deliver.
On a side note. Oil hates heat. So even using a silica wick or any type of wick means its going to try and run away from it.
We hear you loud and clear! All we want to is be up-front and honest, we have no reason to be dis-honest. Because ultimately we would just be lying to ourselves, and putting ourselves in a position we wouldn't want to be in; and we don't want that. We want to earn everyone's trust, we get that it doesn't come easy but we are trying our best and are being as sincere and straight up as physically possible.
So far we haven't made any specific claims about battery life, nor the heating. We did mention we have developed glass heating technology, which is absolutely true, we are just waiting for the right time to unveil it. (We have a couple videos we can't wait to show you!)
On that note, we won't be jumping into detail about any claims until we have the prototype to back it up.
In regards to the battery life (without jumping into detail), the battery size we can actually fit into Zepto is much larger than it may seem. So once we finalize the capacity, we will reveal the battery's mAh. Until then you guys are just gonna have to hang in there.
If the current heat insulation doesn't perform well in testing, we will have to rethink our approach and also refer back to FC for advice
. But we have a backup solution in mind and it doesn't include aerogel.If we do get stumped or hit a bump in the road, we will definetly be seeking advice from the vaporizer engineers on FC ! The FC community already proves to be very helpful!
I would love to see the video, maybe you can directly message it to me so i can check it out.
We are still determining if we will make the battery replaceable. At the moment, it's not incorporated into the design; however it shouldn'tbe too difficult to if we decide to go ahead with the replaceable battery. I'll discuss this with my engineers to see what we can do!
The battery should have a long life; we're aiming to keep the battery within its limits to extend it's overall life. Pushing a battery leads to a shorter life expectancy.
We very much agree; we are waiting on the protype so we can answer all the questions with video evidence. And we will definitely check out the Zion thread, thanks for the suggestion!
Sounds good! We are making a list of things that have been questioned so far, and will address each in the future videos of the prototype. Until then all we can ask for is your support!
We are working on finalizing all the numbers and right now we are sourcing several more battery options, which will give us more insight.
So far we have sourced a battery that does the job, according to some preliminary tests. (Not the prototype videos that we posted, those were not the tests)
We are still pushing to find the ideal battery to really get up there with the power output.
Worst case scenario, if we hit a snag, we can tweak the overall size of the heating elements (or even the resistance of the heating elements). (However, we have already powered the glass heating element with the current battery)
At the moment the extensively detailed CAD design is completed. Practically everything we could think of has been incorporated and accounted for in the CAD design.
As we have mentioned before, we have laid all the necessary ground work, everything has been designed, all has been fitted and accounted for, and most components have been sourced and tested already. The last thing we need to finalize is the battery. (Again we have already located a battery that will do the job, we just want to push the envelope and try to find the best)
Our engineers have run some preliminary tests to see how much power is really needed to achieve optimal temperatures in the ceramic and glass heating elements; so we do have an idea!
In terms of power of the battery, we are sourcing different batteries that fit in the space that we have pre-determined in the CAD design. When we finalize the battery capacity, that is when we will know 100% and be able to cater our already developed heating elements to the battery. This is all that is pretty much left to do before all the groundwork is fully complete!
At the moment, with the battery we sourced, everything is functional, yet we want to tweak everything to it's full potential. This is all based on preliminary tests done by our engineering team.
It's great to hear that we aren't the only ones! And I guess all we can do is hang in there, stick to our word and deliver!
Good point. We will look further into it. Thank you for this info, it's really valuable!
Despite the roller coaster its been on this thread for the last couple weeks, I've got to say that it has all been really helpful. And with all of your input, Zepto will be the best that it can be! We'd like to thank you all again for your contributions to this thread and we'd love to hear more from the community!
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well, i'm just a simple software weenie, but even after 15 years of prototyping and testing vapes, i don't find physical reality works this way.
i am following your thread with great interest ... i want to learn.
@VapinVentor many thanks for answering all that. I've PM'd you the video details.
lwien
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A suggestion from someone who's had over 40 years experience in marketing/advertising and sales......don't continue do what you have done in the above quotes. While it may feel great to defend yourself, in the marketing/promotional arena, it's one of the worst things that you can do.
The first thing that came to mind when I read that was..........."You don't know what you don't know."
Like what's been said before, we're a tough crowd here at FC but if you can make it through the gauntlet, I firmly believe that the effort is more than worthwhile.
Wishing you nothing but the best......
Your suggestion is dually noted
. We are still figuring things out here on FC and getting to know the community, we are trying our best!Also it’s not that it feels good, It’s just that it’s hard not to back up our image/product and to leave such comments open ended. Especially since we’ve put so much work into ZeptO.
We are being as genuine as possible.
Thats coming very soon! We are just waiting for the perfect time, our e-mail list is growing and we want to reach a certain milestone of people signed up. Also we promised the E-mail subscribers to get things exclusively revealed prior to anywhere else. So first we will unveil it there and then FC!
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herbivore21
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So obviously your a tough customer, there's no reason to be so harsh. We respect your opinion and skepticism, all we can do is move forward and try to get you on our side.
We are trying be as informative as possible. At the same time we did mention that we have to wait to get the fully functional prototype to really give conclusive answers after testing.
As a matter of fact I made a couple of rough prototypes in my garage myself. They're far from the finished product but they do prove that the concept is possible! Click the links below and check it out for yourself. (The parts/materials/components in the videos below are in no way the final components )
We have tons of metal shaped cards at different thicknesses and tapers that we made in efforts to see what are acceptable thicknesses, how it would actually fit in the wallet, and how it would feel overall. Also I carry one of the home-made prototypes with me on a daily basis just in case someone would be interested in seeing it. So I can confidently say that I do have a good idea of how it would feel. Again we did say that we need to get the final prototype to really verify the durability and feel of it in the wallet.
Seems like your going off of assumptions and saying things just for the sake of argument, and thats not cool man.. We'd appreciate if you'd reconsider your stance.
Thanks!
Well you certainly do think outside of the box! And you definitely make some valid situational points.
To address your points generally and then some in detail (These responses are in no way intended to be arguments, just thoughts on your valuable points)
I wouldn’t exactly say you took it in a direction never intended, and I wouldn’t note it as only a visual example. We do want Zepto to fit in any standard wallet so that vapers can always have their vape with them without having to be conscious of it. If they have their wallet (which people almost always do) then they know they have their Vape too.
Taking your points into account opens our eyes to the idea that some people may be concerned with how zepto would mesh with the rest of the usual wallet inhabitants. Although we have designed Zepto to fit into any standard wallet/credit card slot, moving forward we will be considering designing a wallet particularly for Zepto. The wallet would accommodate a place for zepto and a place for all other wallet items such as credit cards ,id’s, money, pictures/memorabilia, multi tools and such. Not to mention so many cool features can be included into the Zepto wallet like a secret compartment devoted to zepto, maybe with even a little extra padding if necessary, or even air tight humidity prevention.
There are several other ways of storing credit cards or ZeptO vaporizer. For example, there are many phone cases out there that are made for credit card storage in the back of the phone. Even basic soft silicone phone cases can probably store zepto in between the back of the phone and the case. Here are some examples:
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Looking at the big picture- like with anything else, when people get something they want, like or prefer, they may need to compromise in certain areas. For example if you prefer a sporty roadster coupe as a vehicle you have to give up the ability to have back seats. When it comes down to Zepto possibly interfering with other items that are stored in the wallet (other than credit cards) the user may have to prioritize whether they prefer a key/multi-tool/comb over having Zepto in their wallet.
-I am from New York and it does tend to get pretty hot here over the summer, I personally have never experienced my wallet developing moisture or getting wet from sweating. However I’m not ruling it out as an impossibility.
-If I’m exercising or engaging in a physical activity, I usually unload my pockets first. I do this because of more so of the fact that I don't want anything falling out, getting lost or damaged.
-The moisture would first have to form in your pocket so technically this situation can apply to any vape that you would keep in your pocket. Or for that matter even phones, I mean we keep our phones in our pockets nearly all day, every day right?
This is a good point and shines light on some things we should take into consideration.
-Considering that Zepto is mostly a flat surface it really shouldn’t warp or crack anything. Nevertheless we will test all of this and see how the final model gets along with all other wallet inhabitants.
-Any other wallet product such as a multi-tool or backup battery are of similar dimensions to Zepto, and i don't think they lead to any sort of warping of credit cards. So I wouldn't expect Zepto to either.
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Whoa there brother, I would not be recommending that anyone put a steel vape inside their silicone phone sleeve. For those who own phones with glass back panels (I'm specifically referring to some of the iphone designs here especially), the steel against glass is not something that you wanna be recommending, unless you wanna start hearing from people whose phones got broken lol.
Looking forward to seeing videos of a final device that meets your claims and design specs. How far do you think this is away from reality in terms of time, or are you not yet at a stage where you think that such a timeframe can be accurately provided (I completely respect this kind of answer if this is the case by the way! One thing people don't seem to like around here is companies making deadlines that they then fail to meet!)?
smutman
SmutmanMDCXX
I was thinking the same thing (spent 3 yrs as a recruiter of my 14 as a infantryman in the Army).
Your suggestion is dually noted
Also it’s not that it feels good, It’s just that it’s hard not to back up our image/product and to leave such comments open ended. Especially since we’ve put so much work into ZeptO.
We are being as genuine as possible.
First thing I learned when I went on recruiting duty, regardless of how much work and heart you put into your job, the best thing to do is never reply to open ended or double sided sword comments. All it does is make you look bad in the very end no matter how your reply. The more people see and hear those comments, the farther they will get away from you and your product. I myself very seriously doubt I ever buy this vape. As a owner of over 100 different styles of vapes and enails, you are providing nothing I can use. If I read this right all you can use is concentrates and I got DipStick, both Quickdraws, Persei, Omnicron, Silverback just for concentrates that are small and very portable and already proven. All my early comments were basically the first things that come to my mind or things I think people on this site would ask or say with your comments about this vape. When I was recruiting, I wanted to know what I was doing wrong and wanted people to be blunt and honest. If you can't take blunt or honest, you're gonna have a hard time in the business world.
I am fairly new to this site but not new to vapes. I do not know all but I have a good wealth of knowledge but I would listen very closely when a well-known member replies on here. These people on here know their stuff and yet to find one answer they give to be wrong.
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