Venty by Storz & Bickel

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I have same + and power buttons damage. In my case I think it's beard oil.
> Lastly, specific chemicals can induce degradation in silicone rubber. Strong acids or bases, some solvents, and certain reactive organic compounds can react with silicone rubber, causing it to break down and lose its functional properties. The exact nature and rate of this degradation depend on the type of chemical, its concentration, and the duration of exposure.
 

passenger

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I have same + and power buttons damage. In my case I think it's beard oil.
> Lastly, specific chemicals can induce degradation in silicone rubber. Strong acids or bases, some solvents, and certain reactive organic compounds can react with silicone rubber, causing it to break down and lose its functional properties. The exact nature and rate of this degradation depend on the type of chemical, its concentration, and the duration of exposure.
Do you also have a Mighty? Never heard of a Mighty button degrade like this
 

seki

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Do you also have a Mighty? Never heard of a Mighty button degrade like this
Not trying to excuse S&B here, but I'm not sure this is quite an apples-to-apples comparison. It might be, but based on some of the teardown pics we've seen, it looks to me like the rubber covering the buttons found on the Venty is more complex in design than that found on the Mighty or Crafty:
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I'm guessing that it's probably created via some sort of injection mold process for it to come out in one piece like that. I haven't been able to find any recent pics of the Mighty fully disassembled, but as far as I can tell, it looks a lot simpler over all:
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I can't tell for sure, but it seems like the rubber covering the 3 Mighty buttons might be individually created as opposed to one larger piece like with the Venty. I don't know if this difference holds any significance with respect to the disintegration issue, but it's possible that it could.

I haven't seen any issues like that with my unit, but my buttons are definitely not up to spec. It takes more force to actuate the up button when compared to the others. It also feels like something else internally is moving beyond the button when I press down on it but it works fine otherwise. I generally just use the power button to boost once or twice though, so it's something I've decided to live with unless something else that needs service or an RMA crops up.

Beyond the button issues, it's pretty much taken up the same spot in the rotation that the Mighty/Crafty did for me previously. It gets pulled out a few times a week and despite the size, I've actually found myself reaching for it when going out over my usual rosin cart or occasional Firewood/TinyMight excursions. It helps that I discovered that those small 2ml silicone concentrate containers are great for holding one S&B dosing cap. Works great for when you just want a couple of sessions on the go:
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I don't know if they work with any others, S&B caps are the only ones I've got at the moment.

It's not my daily by any stretch, but I've clocked 14 hours total since getting it in May. I've started to record usage time whenever I plug in, and I'm finding that I get a consistent 45-50 minutes per charge, currently at around 23 or 24 charge cycles.
 
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Moody

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The solo tastes fresh the first hit, followed by hay taste the rest of the session. The solo has been sitting in the shelf since getting the venty, and now the venty has been sitting next to it since getting the tempest.

This is the first time I've ever heard someone comparing solo taste to "hay". I do not own a Venty, but I do have mighty+. I was very happy with my mighty for a couple years until I tried a solo. I didn't get that "burn" or "tickle" as people call it and I was shocked. Here is this "medical" vape that causes this weird subtle burning in the back of my throat toward the end of a session...vs something that really highlighted the taste of my herb. It's common knowledge that a solo of any kind provides a pretty good flavor experience.

Do you guys get that burning sensation in the back of the throat from venty also, or is that only mighty thing?
 

Postlark

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This is the first time I've ever heard someone comparing solo taste to "hay". I do not own a Venty, but I do have mighty+. I was very happy with my mighty for a couple years until I tried a solo. I didn't get that "burn" or "tickle" as people call it and I was shocked. Here is this "medical" vape that causes this weird subtle burning in the back of my throat toward the end of a session...vs something that really highlighted the taste of my herb. It's common knowledge that a solo of any kind provides a pretty good flavor experience.

Do you guys get that burning sensation in the back of the throat from venty also, or is that only mighty thing?
I also get this tickle from the venty. It is not the same as the crafty, but it is definitely not smooth on the throat like other vapes. However it is not hot like the solo, it really boils down to personal preference but this tickle obviously does not leave me too confident in the materials used. The solo however also smells a lot of the rubber seals when heating up. Not easy picking something potent and clean. To be clear, the solo only taste of hay from the second to third hit onwards, but it will be the bulk of the session for me. To me it feels like if one were to eat a steak, and first sucked out the salt, then the juices, the be left to eat a denatured steak. I much prefer to eat each slice with "full flavor". However, I have to hand it that the first hit on the solo has a unique freshness to it that no other vape has and this can be very meaningful to a particular user. But this is not something I would prefer over a more consistent taste throughout. We are getting into personal taste territory here.
 

Moody

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solo however also smells a lot of the rubber seals when heating up. Not easy picking something potent and clean. To be clear, the solo only taste of hay from the second to third hit onwards, but it will be the bulk of the session for me. To me it feels like if one were to eat a steak, and first sucked out the salt, then the juices, the be left to eat a denatured steak. I much prefer to eat each slice with "full flavor". However, I have to hand it that the first hit on the solo has a unique freshness to it that no other vape has and this can be very meaningful to a particular user. But this is not something I would prefer over a more consistent taste throughout. We are getting into personal taste territory here.
Yeah, I experienced some unique odors from both solo2max and solo3 with the first handful of sessions. Same with every other vape I've used. But they all dissipate pretty quickly.

Flavor will be "tasty" or "flavorful" as long as I stay under around 350F. Once you go higher the flavor goes away fast regardless of the vape. Even with my mighty in the lower temps it tastes pretty good. Some vapes have a more pronounced or stronger terp flavor than others at these lower temps. The solo3 def wins that for me from what I've tried so far. But yeah, the s3 heats up pretty fast and it can be pretty darn hot with a regular stem. I prefer using custom stems or (my fave) a bong with the S3. Crazy fat clouds that won't burn you up. You can't do that with a standard stem without coughing and feeling some pain.

I was actually planning on getting the Venty until all the errors and issues popped so I tried the solo instead. I like my mighty+, but it was really surprising with that burn or tickle that it only happened with that vape. I'm still interested in the venty, but only if and when all these issues are resolved and I have a good feel on its resolution.
 

SockPuppetTheatrics

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I'd say the tickle has more to do with it being a high-calorie vape with an open airflow that's not running through water and less to do with the materials used. The CU helps reduce this somewhat but doesn't eliminate it entirely. FWIW, I probably get more tickle (and better / less muted flavor) from the Tempest than the Venty.

I recommend getting an 8mm adapter (VGoodiEZ or Simrell) and a wooden stem with an airport (and ideally an intercooler) if you want to get smoother hits off the Venty. Set the airflow to three and either leave the airport open or flutter it while you draw. A bunch of retailers have WPAs at this point if you prefer to run it through water or a j-hook.
 

Moody

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That's what is so odd about the mighty+ compared to the solos I've used...I've used them all through a bong (dry) and I still only get this unique burn/tickle from the mighty in a very specific part of the back of my throat. The others don't do this. Really odd. As far as functionality though, for two years it was my main and worked fantastic. No issues. I still use it now and then, but I get that burn and don't end up reaching for the vape in a long while. I assumed all vapes did that until after a couple years I tried something else.

I was curious if this burn/tickle thing occurs with the venty as well. The Venty is a very unique vape and I would love to try it....at some point. But if it does cause that burn or tickle, id rather not. It worries me because after trying 4 other vapes, it is the only one that does it. At least in my case, since it is noticeable, I probably would pass.

Forgive me, I'm not familiar with the term "high calorie vape". I'm assuming you mean you can consume the herb quickly at a higher rate of airflow? So the assumption is that the higher rate of airflow causes the added dryness and therefore tickle? Is that what you are saying?
I'd say the tickle has more to do with it being a high-calorie vape with an open airflow that's not running through water and less to do with the materials used.

 
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SockPuppetTheatrics

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I'm saying it's got a fairly powerful heater that keeps up with you as you draw on it, so it's moving a lot of heat through the material. Desktops usually go through water or a whip or whatever, and the longer / wetter airpath tends to remove some of the particulate matter from the aerosol you're inhaling. The Venty (native) has a relatively short (and dry, obvs) airpath, and I think you're just getting more aerosolized particles bouncing around. A portable with a weaker heater would generate less potent vapor (and likely deliver it slower due to airflow restrictions), and you wouldn't hit a desktop the way you hit a Venty. I've never used a Mighty so I can't compare, but from what I've heard the Venty greatly reduces but doesn't completely eliminate the so-called "Bickel tickle".
 

Postlark

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That's what is so odd about the mighty+ compared to the solos I've used...I've used them all through a bong (dry) and I still only get this unique burn/tickle from the mighty in a very specific part of the back of my throat. The others don't do this. Really odd. As far as functionality though, for two years it was my main and worked fantastic. No issues. I still use it now and then, but I get that burn and don't end up reaching for the vape in a long while. I assumed all vapes did that until after a couple years I tried something else.

I was curious if this burn/tickle thing occurs with the venty as well. The Venty is a very unique vape and I would love to try it....at some point. But if it does cause that burn or tickle, id rather not. It worries me because after trying 4 other vapes, it is the only one that does it. At least in my case, since it is noticeable, I probably would pass.

Forgive me, I'm not familiar with the term "high calorie vape". I'm assuming you mean you can consume the herb quickly at a higher rate of airflow? So the assumption is that the higher rate of airflow causes the added dryness and therefore tickle? Is that what you are saying?
Honestly I really enjoy these discussions. I will try to break this down, in terms of different types of discomforts that some vapes can bring according to their materials.

There is a fresh tickle that comes from vaping even in the cleanest air and vapor path: this is from the terpenes as they are very strong substances with some irritating properties, some are solvents, etc .... What we would like is a vape that only gives this type of discomfort. This is rare. The only vape where this is the only discomfort felt for me is the Silver Surfer with baller heater.

Let's now go to level 2 of purity, down the list. There is now discomfort of metals used in the vape. For me this is the Tempest. Still the best choice after the surfer. There is a specific discomfort when one moves away from all glass/ceramic heating, but is not deal breaking for me.

Level 3 purity, we get into Venty category, discomfort from mixed materials/discomfort from superheating air.

The term "high calorie" used above, I would maybe boil it down to super heating a small portion of air. For example, comparing the balled silver surfer and the venty, the first has a long column filled with balls offering the air tons of surface area for heat exchange, while the latter needs to heat the air to a similar temperature in only an inch and with little surface area. This means the temperature needs to be much higher, I suspect this is not the best design and would explain the success and quality of vapor that ball vapes offer.

In contrast, the milaana has a similarly "short" heater but no tickle. This leads me to suspect that the main factor for tickle is the materials used. As has been in the mighty, and will continue to be as long as better materials are not used. Don't get me wrong the Venty one of the best vapes if you regularly share it on the go. But I can't see the difficulty of making a cooling unit that is PEEK on the outside and lined on the inside with metal, or see the need to use plastic near such a strong heater...

Another type of discomfort that is not related to material "safety" or quality, is heat. Some vapes allow lots of heat to reach the throat. The milaana, the solo 3, any device with too direct a path. This can be ameliorated through water filtration and different stems, but should not be ignored as for some individuals prone to dryness this can be more significant than even the materials used....
 

alpine dude

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loved the venty for about 10 months... then got the error04. new firmware and all tweaks didn't help. registred, got an rma and after 6 days i got a new device... how long will it last? got my fingers crossed...

my feelings: trust my mighty and crafty+ 100%... but the venty, i think it'a a cheap product caused by the new s&b ownership...
 
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LaughingDog

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loved the venty for about 10 months... then got the error04. new firmware and all tweaks didn't help. registred, got an rma and after 6 days i got a new device... how long will it last? got my fingers crossed...

my feelings: trust my mighty and crafty+ 100%... but the venty, i think it'a a cheap product caused by the new s&b ownership...


I just got my replacement back. So far so good. When it works the Venty is the best dry herb portable vape. I use a silicone hose to hook mine directly to a bubbler. The only improvements i would suggest would be replaceable batteries, power pass through and redesigning the screens that go in the cooling tower as it is a tedious task to try and replace.
 

brquad225

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So, I originally bought my first Venty at the end of November last year. Received it early December. Within a few months, I got a E04 error and had to RMA it. Got my second unit and had to RMA it within a month. My third unit worked well for many months (since April/May). I have 61 hours on it and got E04 error on it last week. It will be sent off within the next day or so. I love this vape when it works, but this is ridiculous. I fear they will try to charge for repairs this time. Three units have given up the ghost...$450 is too much to pay for this! Am I just unlucky or are there any others?
 

chillAtGVC

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You are not alone but that does not mean there are many others. S&B is not sharing any details and the internet is notoriously populated with unhappy customers while the happy ones stay quiet. All vapes break/malfunction, some more than others. I have not seen many reports in the last few months so S&B seem to have gotten this largely under control. I doubt they will try and charge for repairs unless you have mishandled the unit. It is under warranty and they have a good reputation for servicing those devices that go bad. They may try to charge you for shipping, I'd push back if that happens.

redesigning the screens that go in the cooling tower as it is a tedious task to try and replace.
Which screens, the round coarse one or the fine rectangular one? I don't recall having any problems with either, though the round one gets deformed after a while and benefits from being replaced.
 

justcametomind

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Speaking of the round CU screen, the best thing one can do on any S/B portable is replacing that with a fine screen. That way the dirt inside and the need to clean is drastically reduced. For reducing the build up inside the CU imho it helps also disconnecting it from the body after every session, having a last hit to empty it from vapor (if you leave it on top of the Venty after a session some vapor stays inside , as little as it may be) and then cleaning the fine screen with a brush. This is imho the crucial part. If you leave abv on the CU screen and start a new session you make it prone to building up more oils that will adhere to the abv on the screen and it will start building up gunk on both sides of the screen.
 

WirtDog

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So, I originally bought my first Venty at the end of November last year. Received it early December. Within a few months, I got a E04 error and had to RMA it. Got my second unit and had to RMA it within a month. My third unit worked well for many months (since April/May). I have 61 hours on it and got E04 error on it last week. It will be sent off within the next day or so. I love this vape when it works, but this is ridiculous. I fear they will try to charge for repairs this time. Three units have given up the ghost...$450 is too much to pay for this! Am I just unlucky or are there any others?
I feel so sorry for everyone that has had to experience these failures. Great example of how losing management control can destroy a great company's reputation in little to no time. I would be afraid to buy a Mighty+ at this point. How can you trust S&B after all of this!. Just a sad situation! $ 450 for this junk?
 

vapviking

Old & In the Way
Great example of how losing management control can destroy a great company's reputation in little to no time.
I don't really know why people choose the corporate buyout as the reason for everything bad about S&B.
I doubt anyone has actual backup info on that, it's just an easy reach.

I remember the rollout of Crafty. It was miserable. I had 4 rma's in first year on that one. One of those they charged me like 50 bucks and shipping (I don't recall actual amount) because they thought I had put it thru too many charge cycles during the 3 months I had it. Oy.
Mighty was not without problems (casing breaking, etc).
That was all years before the company was sold!
 

Zuhdj

Charles Mingus
Brand new rma from two weeks ago and the charger port is somehow just gone. It's rattling around inside the vape. this vape is getting on my last nerve and I'm about ready to stop replacing it. Storz and bickle needs to fix this damn thing. I dropped my old mighty down two flights of cement stairs and a ton of times with ZERO significant damage. I can't even charge this fucking thing without breaking it.
 

TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
Brand new rma from two weeks ago and the charger port is somehow just gone. It's rattling around inside the vape. this vape is getting on my last nerve and I'm about ready to stop replacing it. Storz and bickle needs to fix this damn thing. I dropped my old mighty down two flights of cement stairs and a ton of times with ZERO significant damage. I can't even charge this fucking thing without breaking it.
Genuinely sorry about your troubles with the Venty 😞. I've been visiting this thread from time to time to see how things are developing and I still see some really bad experiences like this.

I know this is just ironic, sort of like how the Titan sub implosion and ensuing scandal was run by a company named "Oceangate", but it's starting to look like the "Venty" will be infamous for people Venting about how frustrating it is.
 
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chillAtGVC

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Damn VAS. I was thinking of adding a Venty or Solo 3 to my collection. Frankly, with the reports of bad units (and high price) it seems the Solo 3 is a better choice.
I have both. The Venty has been problem free for me (if you ignore the logo fading). I'd still get the Solo 3. It is really, really nice and tasty and so easy to clean. I also have the Angus Enhanced and the Venty gets less and less use.
 

Zuhdj

Charles Mingus
I'm honestly over here trying to find a way to get my money back for the venty so I can finally have a tm2. Seems more reliable tbh. My old tinymight was flawless till it got wet! I may need to sell it. Is there anywhere other than classifieds and the entexchange discord y'all would recommend selling my sealed RMA unit when it comes in?
 
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