Discontinued Vapolution 3.0

[KeroZen]

Does this mean there is more conduction/radiant heating going on that in previous version?

 

[stickstones]

Does this mean there is more conduction/radiant heating going on that in previous version?

I think so, due to the bowl being bigger and the glass being thicker. I will compare the older unit later. I ran several loads through it last night to great results. My first session was on 390F and I did the whole session there. Later I was starting lower and stepping up to 440. I will say it doesn't produce as much when stepping up as others. I think this is because most of the actives are used up no matter how low temp you go. My final load was around 350 and I did the whole load there. If you leave the stem in long enough you can fully extract at any temp, I think.

So far my fave temp is 390. Super tasty and very satisfying clouds. I know the VAP2 used to get some criticism for not being a thick hitter, but this one won't get that same response, I think. I haven't bothered to use water yet as I am in love with the infuser, and I want to taste everything this unit has to offer first.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I think so, due to the bowl being bigger and the glass being thicker. I will compare the older unit later. I ran several loads through it last night to great results. My first session was on 390F and I did the whole session there. Later I was starting lower and stepping up to 440. I will say it doesn't produce as much when stepping up as others. I think this is because most of the actives are used up no matter how low temp you go. My final load was around 350 and I did the whole load there. If you leave the stem in long enough you can fully extract at any temp, I think.

So far my fave temp is 390. Super tasty and very satisfying clouds. I know the VAP2 used to get some criticism for not being a thick hitter, but this one won't get that same response, I think. I haven't bothered to use water yet as I am in love with the infuser, and I want to taste everything this unit has to offer first.

That aspect certainly makes it sound like the Evo to me! Digging these early reports...

 

[paytonpenn]

If I had to think of a downside or negative thing about this vape.. My unit has a high volume whine louder than my PC fans and 970 coil whine.

 

[jojo monkey]

@paytonpenn There is a fan in it or the electronics make a noise?

 

[KeroZen]

Well I guess it can be seen as a feature, but what's the point in going digital with a feedback based scheme if you can extract everything at any temperature? I'm genuinely asking because members reported the same in the Mighty/Crafty, and I can do the same with my Zion that has... strictly no active temperature control!

To me, if you go digital, you want chirurgical-style control, like I got in the Ascent for instance. You can set it to a low temperature level, clearly deplete it fully until you don't see any exhale anymore, then step up the temperature and get fresh vapor again. This is the clear proof that the temperature is always at or below the set-point.

With convection vapes I'm under the impression it's the inverse: hit them too hard and you can char or ignite. Even when they try to regulate the incoming air flow temperature, most of them end up at or above the set-point.

It's clearly best for fast extraction but it's not good to get precise temperature dependant selective effects.

 

[pigpenz]

my finding for me is that on using this since last week.....my best hits flavor wise are the ones where i turn it on and vape within 30 seconds of reaching set vape temp. As it gets harsher then I reload with another pellet. If I do this another time or two( new pellets) the flavor is never as good as what it is the first time it warms up and it gets harsh real quick...this also holds true for the vap1 and vap2.

so when I reload I have to start toking pretty quickly to get good flavor and the pellet gets spent real quick like in 3 tokes, where on the original heat up I might get mor than six tokes.

 

[paytonpenn]

@paytonpenn There is a fan in it or the electronics make a noise?

Electronics make a noise. Like my graphics card when running 60+ fps the coil starts whining.

 

[jojo monkey]

@KeroZen

Knowing the temp of the heater can be useful? If this vape was on a dimmer you'd be guessing it was ready.

"With convection vapes I'm under the impression it's the inverse: hit them too hard and you can char or ignite."

If you know the temp of what you are drawing off of you can avoid this. There is only so much heat and at some point the heater is overwhelmed. I guess I am speaking about large convection vapes because there are some that try to maintain the temp during a draw.

As it gets harsher then I reload with another pellet.

So I wonder if you put in a load and did not touch it how much it would cook down?

It sounds like this vape needs to have herb put inside the heater to perform. Kinda like how the EVO needs to put oil inside the heater to get the heat it needs to perform (although it has enough heat to vape herb at the top with convection).

 

[Crussell27]

Well. You might have just sold me on my next vape. Damn money. Haha. Denver is getting expensive.

 

[pigpenz]

@KeroZen

Knowing the temp of the heater can be useful? If this vape was on a dimmer you'd be guessing it was ready.

"With convection vapes I'm under the impression it's the inverse: hit them too hard and you can char or ignite."

If you know the temp of what you are drawing off of you can avoid this. There is only so much heat and at some point the heater is overwhelmed. I guess I am speaking about large convection vapes because there are some that try to maintain the temp during a draw.




So I wonder if you put in a load and did not touch it how much it would cook down?

It sounds like this vape needs to have herb put inside the heater to perform. Kinda like how the EVO needs to put oil inside the heater to get the heat it needs to perform (although it has enough heat to vape herb at the top with convection).

usually if you let it sit then it will get charred if you like that you get one giant harsh hit but i prefer to get several hits per pellet

 

[stickstones]

I'm getting the whine as well...it is coming from the power supply.

Well I guess it can be seen as a feature, but what's the point in going digital with a feedback based scheme if you can extract everything at any temperature?

I will do some more testing, obviously, but I think the taste is preserved at the lower temps, even if I finish the session on that lower temp. It's really all about how long you leave the stem inserted. I should probably use it more like a log vape where I would remove the stem between hits...more to test, yay!

My first session was the most memorable, as the brain was fading after that.

 

[KidFated.]

coming from the power supply.

Probably no access to a power quality meter?

 

[stickstones]

Probably no access to a power quality meter?

Correct. And it's outside of my expertise.

 

[Vapolution Vaporizers]

The buzz coming from the power brick is normal. It is caused by the MOSFET that modulates power to the heater. VAP3 is a much more powerful device than VAP2. VAP2 uses 10 watts max, where VAP3 uses 60 watts max.

Just like VAP2 or any log vape, if you leave the herb inside the bowl too long, it will turn black. I recommend taking the bowl out between hits or use a lower setting to prevent black pellets or the burnt popcorn taste.

 

[stickstones]

One session so far tonight. It's like a vap2 on steroids. Faster, stronger, bigger bowl...

 

[Stevenski]

I should really pretend this thread does not exist but I have followed this the last few months & it does seem like it might make a pretty good birthday present to buy someone. Even if that someone is oneself it is still a good present idea.

 

[KeroZen]

@stickstones : you surely didn't see it coming, but now a question is torturing me... Vap3 vs Zion? Clouds and taste, winner is?

 

[stickstones]

I'll let you know, brother...my production Zion will be here tomorrow and it will be a great time to taste test!

 

[paytonpenn]

Loving this vape.

I finally went and put a Imag 3 capsule in the bowl to see if it would fit and its perfect. A little purity loss but at least its an option for ground herb or the really dry particles that break up as I try and place them into the bowl.

Also here's a picture of the sleeving, I should be getting my heat shrink soon; a video will be taken when I get a new waterpipe for it but the PNWT actually works really well with this unit.

 

[Stevenski]

I'll let you know, brother...my production Zion will be here tomorrow and it will be a great time to taste test!

From your stupid great deals to my poor exchange rate (oh to be above parity on the US$ again) this is a pretty big FU all . It's like "oh hang on guys I have to mix it up between my new Zion & the Vap 3 from tomorrow, sorry".

 

[Vapodudule]

Hey peeps,

VAS is a bitch to my wallet, got caught here too as i was watching the launching from here. A VAP3.0 just landed on my vape station and has delivered some various sessions (191°C to 229).

The heating is fast. The plastic material of the device reminds me the EVO's: black hard and durable. The assemby seems sketchy when the top removable part is off (to change heater sleeve/HS) but when on, nothing moves much only the center part panel can play a little.

The electronics on the device seems simple but functionnal and robust. I still did not exploit all the temperature dynamic and precision features this beast -of maximum heat flux config- has to offer but some steps should release massive hits. Particularly the low temp should be effective. More to come then.

I noticed a high rugosity and rawness of the inner ceramic/plaster molded of the heater which provoqued scratches (many) on the outside sanded side of the heater sleeve when i popped it off to inspect. Other concern is the diffusion of small particles from this rugous friable molded material around the heater. The HS is sanded so the scratches should not affect the mechanical behavior of the HS but the scratches are a beginning of a crack.

HS and a toroidal joint are still to be firmly sit and not a movable part in the design. The HS thinness of around 1-2mm, a dimension that could do HS a "sometimes" breakable part here. Glad i took some. there is one spare on each package.

And the HS change ability can switch the device to gunked one to a total new in few seconds!

Shall i ask for an even bigger bowl? By moving the glass pinches up?

As for Vap2.0, a pair of basket screens from Enano have been forced and deformed forever to delimit a VAP3.0 bowl.This screening arrangment made to prevent particles and permits very sandy loads to be vaped made by a 2 Enano baskets screens is to be improved, may be meshSS mad+SS flat screen for the glass-pinches screen and the Enano basket for the point of the stem, this one is out of the stem a bit and prevent stem to have a glass on glass shock with the heater sleeve. The whole set up is self cleaning and emoved after each load.

Anyway @paytonpenn have a solution with an imag3 capsule. congrats m8! does it reduce the air flow?


There is the dab world where i rarely go (i will with VAP3.0 soon). Bigger and fix bowl for them at first sight. The previous one needed silicone ring mod to ensure a vertical position.


There is also the compatibilty with Vaponic which is A PERFECT physical FIT but the silicone ring is just arriving at the top of the HS. If this zone does not heat, it is perfect too but still.


The first major downside is the horrible buzzing noise of the power supply which is on "out from the box" for me which is very annoying to be gentlle but totally freaks me out from a total new device i waited for a long time.

At first analisis the power range of 12V/5A(12*5=60W) seems to reach the near whole 60W heater demand. So the power supply needs to be on its maximum point of fuctionning (5A). Well if another muted/silent power supply could be found it would be great! One good side of this is that the buzz indicates when the heater is on. It seems it buzzes only but permanently when heating just a little.


My final word for the first impression is that they did well with VAplotuion 2.0 and they focused on a bigger, better, stronger?, digital, precise, disposable unit.


And they did well too. Go VAS spread again on this device!!!

 

[paytonpenn]

Anyway @paytonpenn have a solution with an imag3 capsule. congrats m8! does it reduce the air flow?

Barely, your load makes more difference. I've actually been using mine for concentrates and I am feeling that my results are better than the default conduction method.

 

[pigpenz]

Finally got around to taking off the water pipe hook up and tried the hose connection.
Def like the water pipe better. When I switch I did notice that the top of the tube had a broke piece of glass missing from it. dont have any idea how that happened, but still running the marathon on it.

 

[axakal]

thanks for the great review. so you're saying the buzzing sound could be eliminated by using a third party power supply? i'm curious about your results with the vaponic, should you decide to try it out.

Hey peeps,

VAS is a bitch to my wallet, got caught here too as i was watching the launching from here. A VAP3.0 just landed on my vape station and has delivered some various sessions (191°C to 229).

The heating is fast. The plastic material of the device reminds me the EVO's: black hard and durable. The assemby seems sketchy when the top removable part is off (to change heater sleeve/HS) but when on, nothing moves much only the center part panel can play a little.

The electronics on the device seems simple but functionnal and robust. I still did not exploit all the temperature dynamic and precision features this beast -of maximum heat flux config- has to offer but some steps should release massive hits. Particularly the low temp should be effective. More to come then.

I noticed a high rugosity and rawness of the inner ceramic/plaster molded of the heater which provoqued scratches (many) on the outside sanded side of the heater sleeve when i popped it off to inspect. Other concern is the diffusion of small particles from this rugous friable molded material around the heater. The HS is sanded so the scratches should not affect the mechanical behavior of the HS but the scratches are a beginning of a crack.

HS and a toroidal joint are still to be firmly sit and not a movable part in the design. The HS thinness of around 1-2mm, a dimension that could do HS a "sometimes" breakable part here. Glad i took some. there is one spare on each package.

And the HS change ability can switch the device to gunked one to a total new in few seconds!

Shall i ask for an even bigger bowl? By moving the glass pinches up?

As for Vap2.0, a pair of basket screens from Enano have been forced and deformed forever to delimit a VAP3.0 bowl.This screening arrangment made to prevent particles and permits very sandy loads to be vaped made by a 2 Enano baskets screens is to be improved, may be meshSS mad+SS flat screen for the glass-pinches screen and the Enano basket for the point of the stem, this one is out of the stem a bit and prevent stem to have a glass on glass shock with the heater sleeve. The whole set up is self cleaning and emoved after each load.

Anyway @paytonpenn have a solution with an imag3 capsule. congrats m8! does it reduce the air flow?


There is the dab world where i rarely go (i will with VAP3.0 soon). Bigger and fix bowl for them at first sight. The previous one needed silicone ring mod to ensure a vertical position.


There is also the compatibilty with Vaponic which is A PERFECT physical FIT but the silicone ring is just arriving at the top of the HS. If this zone does not heat, it is perfect too but still.


The first major downside is the horrible buzzing noise of the power supply which is on "out from the box" for me which is very annoying to be gentlle but totally freaks me out from a total new device i waited for a long time.

At first analisis the power range of 12V/5A(12*5=60W) seems to reach the near whole 60W heater demand. So the power supply needs to be on its maximum point of fuctionning (5A). Well if another muted/silent power supply could be found it would be great! One good side of this is that the buzz indicates when the heater is on. It seems it buzzes only but permanently when heating just a little.


My final word for the first impression is that they did well with VAplotuion 2.0 and they focused on a bigger, better, stronger?, digital, precise, disposable unit.


And they did well too. Go VAS spread again on this device!!!