Vizyt91
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Yes I have to try to move a little the heater to see if that helps, I’ll let you know if it’s better after this adjustement, thank you
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coolbreeze
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This is probably it. I wonder if somehow the entire heater stand is propped up on an insulator or something, making it taller than it should be. It's possible I guess that the actual length is off (making it a second) but that doesn't seem right.
@Vizyt91, are you turning your vapman until the intake tubes align with the slots so that it drops down? It should do that with all of them, and it's unmistakable when it clicks into place. However, even when it clicks into place it could be off enough for poor contact. Tha's when I adjusted my heater.
Vizyt91
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Yes I’ve turned all of them in all the positions and they drop down in place in the station.
Here is a pic of my heater stand , it seems a lil bit off centered to me but the machining is awfull, is yours look the same ?
I’m talking about the cutted corners of the 3 slots…
I have to find a screwdriver to try to recenter that heater.
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coolbreeze
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I think I'd need to see it from directly above with a vapman seated on it to see if it looked centered. The machining is a little rough (mine looks sort of roughly cut at the corners as well) but if you're not feeling it hang up, it's probably not that maybe? Can you measure the depth of the pole? I placed a quarter on top of the heater pole and laid a ruler across the top of the station, and then used a toothpick to to measure the distance between the bottom of the ruler to the top of the quarter and came up with just about 11-12mm. If yours is significantly less, your pole is too high. If that's the case, they I think you want to see if it's propped up on a wire or insulator or something, or possibly out of spec (too long) somehow. If that's not the case and it's about the depth it should be, and all of your vapmans seem to fit well, then it seems even more mysterious, give the obvious visual differences between our pictures.Yes I’ve turned all of them in all the positions and they drop down in place in the station.
Here is a pic of my heater stand , it seems centered to me but the machining is awfull, is yours look the same ?
I’m talking about the cutted corners of the 3 slots…
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Vizyt91
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I measured the same as you 11-12mm from the top of the heater pôle to the top of the station.
But you’re right with a vapman in place and looking above it is definitly not centered
my bad i could have seen that earlier in order to don’t waste your time and energy, sorry.Ps : i can’t understand why with this misalignement the og still works ? I can’t find a fckin screwdriver for now, i’ll go to buy one tomorrow.
Thank you again @Grass Yes & @coolbreeze
coolbreeze
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No waste, bro, we're just happy to get you to where you need to be. Others will benefit from this too.I measured the same as you 11-12mm from the top of the heater pôle to the top of the station.
But you’re right with a vapman in place and looking above it is definitly not centered
It does indeed look off-center and hopefully centering it will correct the issues for you. I'm not sure why the OGs fit better under these circumstances but my OGs also fit perfectly while the pole was off-center..Ps : i can’t understand why with this misalignement the og still works ? I can’t find a fckin screwdriver for now, i’ll go to buy one tomorrow.
Thank you again @Grass Yes & @coolbreeze
FWIW I noticed that with a couple of mine it’s the bowl of the Vapman that’s slightly wonky (I could see that the mouthpiece had a slight angle when rotated on a flat worktop). I loosened 2 screws on the low side, apply a bit of pressure to the mouthpiece and retighten. It took a couple of attempts but ended up with it sitting better in the station.
My station is a bit rough too and none of them sit perfectly centered but I get decent results even with a click.
My station is a bit rough too and none of them sit perfectly centered but I get decent results even with a click.
coolbreeze
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Not quite but close enough:Got me thinking about how cool it would look with a purpleheart midsection...
Fearless Disaster
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Well, after a week off I decided to fire up the new Vapman and Station bundle I just got and start the microdosing experiments. FOR SCIENCE!
Test 1:
I measured out about 12mg on a scale. I started the station on 6 since i have no idea what to expect and don't want to combust. Can you even combust with the station? I took a pull and tasted the vapor. I opened up the vapman and checked out the load. It was still very green so I turned it up to 7, took another puff or 2, then 8, then 9, where i took a bunch of draws. I couldn't taste anything after the first pull but wanted to find out how the extraction worked. i kept the airhole totally closed and took long pulls until the tip of my tongue felt hot just to make sure i was getting enough heat in there. At the end the ABV was roasted, but I would have liked to see it a bit darker.
I waited about 10 min. I actually felt pleasantly buzzed! I could actually have stopped there and been fine. It feels a bit bizarre. There is a way that the buzz is mild and my mind feels quick with none of the memory or executive function issues. There is also a way that this buzz is more intense than when i was pulling tempest half bowls a week ago, especially in my body. This buzz is enough, and frequently with my new convection gear the bigger doses have not felt like enough.
Test 2.
Another 12mg, but this time starting the station at 9 to try to get the abv darker. I take about 6 pulls. after 1 or 2 it still looks too green. I can't taste anything after the first pull but keep taking long ones for science
after that i get tired of feeling like i'm just drawing air through a tiny straw and stop. The abv is actually lighter than in test 1! After about 10 min i feel even more buzzed! the effects are super pleasant. my head feels a little less clear but the sensations in my body are stronger. This buzz is also enough.
I don't know if its the break or the microdose or the conduction nature of this vape but its very satisfying! before all the gear upgrades this year i used a dynavap and ih. and of course all the hot new tech is convection and on demand, etc. i think i missed the conduction of the dynavap.
But this ABV is not as dark as I would like. I'd love the ability to push it as dark as a dynavap and then just not
What do you think? Is this load size too small for the vapman, even with the concentrate screen? I'm pretty sure i've seen much darker abv in this thread than in my pictures. i was putting the vapman back on the station between pulls. I am guessing this is a long slow pull type rather than a sipping type of vape?
Test 1:
I measured out about 12mg on a scale. I started the station on 6 since i have no idea what to expect and don't want to combust. Can you even combust with the station? I took a pull and tasted the vapor. I opened up the vapman and checked out the load. It was still very green so I turned it up to 7, took another puff or 2, then 8, then 9, where i took a bunch of draws. I couldn't taste anything after the first pull but wanted to find out how the extraction worked. i kept the airhole totally closed and took long pulls until the tip of my tongue felt hot just to make sure i was getting enough heat in there. At the end the ABV was roasted, but I would have liked to see it a bit darker.
I waited about 10 min. I actually felt pleasantly buzzed! I could actually have stopped there and been fine. It feels a bit bizarre. There is a way that the buzz is mild and my mind feels quick with none of the memory or executive function issues. There is also a way that this buzz is more intense than when i was pulling tempest half bowls a week ago, especially in my body. This buzz is enough, and frequently with my new convection gear the bigger doses have not felt like enough.
Test 2.
Another 12mg, but this time starting the station at 9 to try to get the abv darker. I take about 6 pulls. after 1 or 2 it still looks too green. I can't taste anything after the first pull but keep taking long ones for science
after that i get tired of feeling like i'm just drawing air through a tiny straw and stop. The abv is actually lighter than in test 1! After about 10 min i feel even more buzzed! the effects are super pleasant. my head feels a little less clear but the sensations in my body are stronger. This buzz is also enough.I don't know if its the break or the microdose or the conduction nature of this vape but its very satisfying! before all the gear upgrades this year i used a dynavap and ih. and of course all the hot new tech is convection and on demand, etc. i think i missed the conduction of the dynavap.
But this ABV is not as dark as I would like. I'd love the ability to push it as dark as a dynavap and then just not
What do you think? Is this load size too small for the vapman, even with the concentrate screen? I'm pretty sure i've seen much darker abv in this thread than in my pictures. i was putting the vapman back on the station between pulls. I am guessing this is a long slow pull type rather than a sipping type of vape?
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coolbreeze
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I think your station may need adjusted. Mine is set at about 3.75 and would get it a good bit darker after just a few hits. Here's how it looks after four heatings:Well, after a week off I decided to fire up the new Vapman and Station bundle I just got and start the microdosing experiments. FOR SCIENCE!
Test 1:
I measured out about 12mg on a scale. I started the station on 6 since i have no idea what to expect and don't want to combust. Can you even combust with the station? I took a pull and tasted the vapor. I opened up the vapman and checked out the load. It was still very green so I turned it up to 7, took another puff or 2, then 8, then 9, where i took a bunch of draws. I couldn't taste anything after the first pull but wanted to find out how the extraction worked. i kept the airhole totally closed and took long pulls until the tip of my tongue felt hot just to make sure i was getting enough heat in there. At the end the ABV was roasted, but I would have liked to see it a bit darker.
I waited about 10 min. I actually felt pleasantly buzzed! I could actually have stopped there and been fine. It feels a bit bizarre. There is a way that the buzz is mild and my mind feels quick with none of the memory or executive function issues. There is also a way that this buzz is more intense than when i was pulling tempest half bowls a week ago, especially in my body. This buzz is enough, and frequently with my new convection gear the bigger doses have not felt like enough.
Test 2.
Another 12mg, but this time starting the station at 9 to try to get the abv darker. I take about 6 pulls. after 1 or 2 it still looks too green. I can't taste anything after the first pull but keep taking long ones for science
I don't know if its the break or the microdose or the conduction nature of this vape but its very satisfying! before all the gear upgrades this year i used a dynavap and ih. and of course all the hot new tech is convection and on demand, etc. i think i missed the conduction of the dynavap.
But this ABV is not as dark as I would like. I'd love the ability to push it as dark as a dynavap and then just not
What do you think? Is this load size too small for the vapman, even with the concentrate screen? How dark of an abv can you get with normal sized loads? I'm pretty sure i've seen much darker abv in this thread than in my pictures. i was putting the vapman back on the station between pulls. I am guessing this is a long slow pull type rather than a sipping type of vape?
I turned it up to 7 and did 3 more heatings:
This would be a lot darker with a larger load, and without the screen. To me it seems like you should be able to get results more like mine at 3.5-4 on the dial with fewer hits than you've done. It makes me wonder if your station needs adjustment. One of the first signs of this issue was people with new stations who could not get the herbs to roast sufficiently even at high temps. Mine was like this as well.
If you are able to go a little larger, your results may be more clear. Try a bigger load without the screen; does it roast more normally? Does it still require you to turn up above 4? Here's a slightly larger load after 5 heatings at 3.75 on the dial:
Dr. G
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I totally agree with you...I am always surprised with anything above a 3.5...great photos by the way. Thank you.I think your station may need adjusted. Mine is set at about 3.75 and would get it a good bit darker after just a few hits. Here's how it looks after four heatings:
I turned it up to 7 and did 3 more heatings:
This would be a lot darker with a larger load, and without the screen. To me it seems like you should be able to get results more like mine at 3.5-4 on the dial with fewer hits than you've done. It makes me wonder if your station needs adjustment. One of the first signs of this issue was people with new stations who could not get the herbs to roast sufficiently even at high temps. Mine was like this as well.
If you are able to go a little larger, your results may be more clear. Try a bigger load without the screen; does it roast more normally? Does it still require you to turn up above 4? Here's a slightly larger load after 5 heatings at 3.75 on the dial:
coolbreeze
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Did you ever have to adjust yours? Do all of your Vapmans work well on it? I still have one outlier that works well only in one position.
Dr. G
Vapman Collector Vapman Beta Tester
I truly lucked out. When I got it...it was when they did not even have a box yet for them....the fancy box it comes in now. Ever since it arrived...it has been perfect and every one of my Vapman's fit perfectly in it. The only ones that do not are the CLICK'S...that is why I favor the OG's because I use the Station only...I do not like to torch but, I have and will...if I need to.
coolbreeze
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Awesome. Yeah, mine came in a padded envelope, iirc! It was unscathed but I think we were both lucky--I'm glad yours came in perfect! The funny thing was that I could tell it worked fine because one or two of the Swiss ones worked perfectly, others were kind of intermittent, and then one or two just really didn't work well. Ironically my Clicks worked fine right off the bat, they're just fiddly.
Dr. G
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...we both were lucky. Mine came in an unpadded white envelope...it was a MIRACLE. There was no foam or anything wrapped around it. LOL...but, it is perfect thank heavens...
The Clicks that I have do not really work...you are lucky that they do. Enjoy. Good night!
coolbreeze
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And you as well!
Hi! I bought a cherry click when it came out and I'm really happy with it but the bottom is getting darker with small dark stains and I was wondering if it was normal. To clarify I did not combust and had used it less than 10 times. I tried iso with a q-tip without result...Thanks for helping!I don't know why but I cannot insert my pic so here's the link to the photo.
Dr. G
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That looks normal...I usually clean after each use so, mine are shiny but, I am super anal about it. They eventually stain...but, it adds so much character to the whole piece of art. Enjoy your Vapman...get another one so you can alternate...Get the OG and the Station...you fall in love even deeper.
Fearless Disaster
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What sized load were you putting on that screen? 20 mg? So if i am understanding correctly, most people can get a good extraction in about 4 draws somewhere around 3.5-4? And 7 would be enough to "finish it off"? Do you usually temp step? Is it possible to combust with the station?I think your station may need adjusted. Mine is set at about 3.75 and would get it a good bit darker after just a few hits. Here's how it looks after four heatings:
I turned it up to 7 and did 3 more heatings:
This would be a lot darker with a larger load, and without the screen. To me it seems like you should be able to get results more like mine at 3.5-4 on the dial with fewer hits than you've done. It makes me wonder if your station needs adjustment. One of the first signs of this issue was people with new stations who could not get the herbs to roast sufficiently even at high temps. Mine was like this as well.
If you are able to go a little larger, your results may be more clear. Try a bigger load without the screen; does it roast more normally? Does it still require you to turn up above 4? Here's a slightly larger load after 5 heatings at 3.75 on the dial:
I can try a 20-25 mg load straight on the dish if you think thats a good next step. I'll replicated your example and post the results. It might be a day or two, i was not quite breaking the fast, just trying to see what 10mg would do.
I also have a laser thermometer available and could use that to test the surface temperatures of anything, given the correct emissivity if that provides useful data on it my station needs adjustment. It looks like the heating element is aluminum? if so I can get the emissivity here:
Infrared Emissivity Table
www.thermoworks.com
Or could try to come up with one for the vapman dish.
This is also a brand new unit. If I could prove that it is off, perhaps I could justs swap it with inhale? If many of them need some fine tuning though then i'm happy to just tune this one.
Well I clean it everytime too but those dark stains remain and appear more & more after using like burns marks but I did not combust even once, as the click is more or less flat as opposed to the conical original it's difficult to see and I can't find pictures of Click with that kind of stains. Nothing really important .
Dr. G
Vapman Collector Vapman Beta Tester
Well...let see what other's say...I say its natural...but, I might be wrong...anyone else think that this Vapman perhaps experiencing some strange staining....?
coolbreeze
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Around there, I did not measure this time. I tried to get close to your load size, visually.
With a very small amount, yes. A few pages back I showed how .01g and .02g loads work for me; those were like 4 heatings/hits.
I never go that high with flower. I did it to show that it would quickly finish it off. The pic makes it look a little bit lighter than how it looked to me.
I usually have it around 5-7 for hash.
I don't. The ~4 level is sufficient to get a full dark roast after several hits, depending on load size.
That's a good question. I haven't combusted but I have gotten it unpleasantly dark without too much pushing.
I would try that, and just try to turn the vapman back and forth a bit once it settles in to see if you can get full contact between the pan and the stand. Again, try it in all 3 positions, too. You may find that one or two are fine (or not), and that will help inform you conclusion.
After your break you could try it with CBD or cheap herbs just to not waste too much. You don't really have to ingest it of course.
That I am not sure about. I would have thought it was stainless?I also have a laser thermometer available and could use that to test the surface temperatures of anything, given the correct emissivity if that provides useful data on it my station needs adjustment. It looks like the heating element is aluminum? if so I can get the emissivity here:
Infrared Emissivity Table
Yes
I think you'd be best off trying to adjust the stand's position. Swapping it may only bring another that needs a slight adjustment. It's not hard, many of us have had to do it. If it can't find a sweet spot or if you can determine that it's the electronics, that is a different matter, of course.
It shouldn't be too hard to do and there's plenty of experienced messers-around here to help you get it right. Best of luck!
coolbreeze
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As Dr. G says, it's normal even with cleaning. The Click appears a little less less susceptible to it, maybe because the herbs get tossed around with the clicks? Mine has a bit of it starting on the sides mostly. Maybe your herbs are a bit more resinous than avg? Not sure if anyone's done it yet with the Click, but the conical pans can be cleaned with a baking soda paste. Directions are within the last year of the thread I believe.
Dr. G
Vapman Collector Vapman Beta Tester
When the pan is still hot...is when I clean it with a alcohol pad...I just get a tool and swipe the pad around three or four times and comes out nasty each time and each time it winds up golden clean...the pan over time will change color which I find is inevitable...it cannot be sparkly forever...it will be clean and shiny but, a bit darker all around...that is just the nature of it. So very beautiful....I love those very well kept old versions that are nicely burned in the right places...so gorgeous...a work of art.