Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

[vtac]

I get the impression that if the goal is not met, VXL may consider turning to the darkside, i.e. investors that probably don't share the same ideals. There's some talk about this under the "The Impact" section of the campaign description.

It bears repeating that sm55 has taken out loans against his own house for this. He's also been working his day job this whole time to support the project and get the Cloud in our hands. Let's also not forget that just a few short years ago the whole idea of this vape was just a dream in sm55's head, a fantasy that was shared by many enthusiasts.

Anticipation for upcoming vapes can be very high -- just take a look at some of the threads on this forum -- and we all want to believe that the next new vape will the groundbreaking performer it's been touted as. In my humble opinion, no vape has ever lived up to expectations as well as the Cloud, and there have been million dollar companies behind some flops.

Yes there have been some stumbling blocks, but a properly working Cloud's performance is nothing short of class leading. I believe that the team at VXL can do better in some areas, surely they have made some mistakes along the way. After all, this is a new company built by a normal guy, a community member with a love for vapor who wasn't willing to compromise or sell out.

It's wonderful to see the community supporting one of its own with this campaign. There's no doubt in my mind that sm55 will do whatever it takes to keep this dream alive, and I'm grateful for that. If he can go full time with VXL I really believe that the sky is the limit in this industry. If I had the money I'd loan him the 100K or whatever is needed with the only requirement being that he spends some time with advisers in the business community. If there was ever a killer product in an industry poised to take off I think this is it.

 

[Seek]

We have had some very hot days recently. Like 35°C. And I believe the Cloud doesn't like it.
It gets hot to touch outside earlier. It gets hot even on min temp and can get as hot as a cup of green tea, maybe even black one.
I need more wristbands. Or a Nimbus, if I magically get 500$ somehow. I hope its like this only because of the extreme hot weather.
If the Cloud got even hotter I would consider it dangerous. And they used to be hotter before the Plus upgrade. I can't imagine that.

 

[vtac]

35C outside? I hope you have some good fans!

One on the Cloud might help keep it cooler too.

 

[filteredhead]

Lately have been intrigued with the technical info from various forum members regarding the Sublimator's atomizer. I really like the VXC's glass air path design and wondered if there would be a way to setup an experiment with a heated and restricted glass adapter to serve as a make-shift/wanna-be Sub-atomizer for my VX Cloud to play with.

Here's what I did: sandwiched a small glass disc screen and steel screen together and wedged them together into the 14mm end of a male 14mm-to-female 18mm adapter. Then used the little assembly with VXC unit by torching to 500+ deg F prior to drawing from the bubbler. The idea, if I understood correctly from the sub/atom threads, being to have the ELB vapor additionally heated up prior to reaching the glass tube/bubs perc/cool-down chamber.

Also used a few extra glass adapters to move the torching activity away from the Mobius Clear bubbler itself. Should be more clear in 2nd and 3rd videos below. I made 3 videos to show this more clearly (hopefully).

Each video below shows a .03g hit of girl scout cookies vaped through the VX Cloud and Mobius bubbler. The first hit/video is without the heated glass restriction. For the 2nd video, i heated the glass restriction assembly to ~500 deg F prior to taking the hit, and for the 3rd video/hit the glass parts were heated to ~600 deg F prior taking the hit. Note, the VXC unit was warmed up for a good 30 minutes before taking the first hit:

I then compared the below side-by-side image of the 3 hits for when the bubbler appeared most cloudy to me. I am not sure but the first image on the left the cloud looks more white, and in the 2 images on the right the vapor in the bubbler seems a bit blue-ish however that could entirely be due to the shadow/lighting of having the VXC unit being raised up farther away from the bubbler's top can.

EDIT: Also, here is the resulting abv in the same order:

I took all 3 hits pretty close together so no idea if the heated glass restriction makes any difference. I will try testing some more and post any new findings. Also would love to hear people's thoughts on this, the more ideas and feedback the better. Thanks in advance.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

great post, but ... what is your analysis? is the 3rd test with 600°F atomizer better/different?

 

[filteredhead]

Thank you and wish I felt strongly to make a call either way. If you think that make-shift atomizer hack/mod (torched restricted glass adapter) has the key properties of the sub-atomizer then I will do more testing as-is and hopefully make a determination. Or if there are easy changes I can make to the existing hack job let me know and I'll do my best to make the changes and test with those. I definitely need to do more tests, for now thinking of using the bubbler in my avatar dry, then do 2 sessions spread apart, one without heated glass restriction and the other with. Please understand that I am really bad as it is at distinguishing between sativa and indica (head/body highs) because partly suspect that energy levels and moods and many other things can play into that stuff. That said, I do not plan to quit here, will run several tests over the next few weeks and maybe I'll have a better feel for it by then (or sooner hopefully). In the meantime really appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. Maybe we will also get some Sub and Cloud owners who will pop in here and share with us their thoughts and test results. Thanks again.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

i shall be throwing my 500 in for the nimbus july 12th here we go nimbus cant wait.

 

[luchiano]

Thank you and wish I felt strongly to make a call either way. If you think that make-shift atomizer hack/mod (torched restricted glass adapter) has the key properties of the sub-atomizer then I will do more testing as-is and hopefully make a determination. Or if there are easy changes I can make to the existing hack job let me know and I'll do my best to make the changes and test with those. I definitely need to do more tests, for now thinking of using the bubbler in my avatar dry, then do 2 sessions spread apart, one without heated glass restriction and the other with. Please understand that I am really bad as it is at distinguishing between sativa and indica (head/body highs) because partly suspect that energy levels and moods and many other things can play into that stuff. That said, I do not plan to quit here, will run several tests over the next few weeks and maybe I'll have a better feel for it by then (or sooner hopefully). In the meantime really appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. Maybe we will also get some Sub and Cloud owners who will pop in here and share with us their thoughts and test results. Thanks again.

You should up the temperature in your cloud so it can be closer to the 500f mark. Since the cloud goes to 500f at it's maximum setting, go to 3'oclock or little higher, while still heating the glass with your torch like you did in the previous experiment. This should be closer to the sublimator's design. You don't want to go to 500f with the cloud since it's heater holds it's temperature well, and it's long path(the bamboo) allows the air to heat up temperature evenly, it may cause combustion if you go that high.

From what I see in the picture the knob is at 1'oclock which may be in the lower 400f degrees area, being that 12'oclock is 400f.

BTW, if you vape around 4'oclock and keep your bowl loaded small(1/8-1/4 the size of the elb), you may not need to torch the glass to get similar results as the sublimator since the ultra hot air can still oxidize some of the thc into cbn, and give the results that some like with the sublimator. Just try to inhale slower so more hot air can stay in contact with the thc as it is released. This will also keep the vapor smooth since it has more time to stay in the cool environment that the water gives the bubbler.

 

[stonemonkey55]

The $500 Nimbus has our standard warranty and if we don't hit our target, VapeXhale will be fine and will not go under. Just a bit of news to share, it seems like someone contacted Indiegogo complaining about our campaign and that it should not be allowed. When I got the phone call from them, I thought that we were going to have to take our campaign down. The opposite actually happened and they said that they want to help us optimize our page and I will be visiting their headquarters tomorrow! For once, thank you haters!

 

[mmafighterthe25]

The $500 Nimbus has our standard warranty and if we don't hit our target, VapeXhale will be fine and will not go under. Just a bit of news to share, it seems like someone contacted Indiegogo complaining about our campaign and that it should not be allowed. When I got the phone call from them, I thought that we were going to have to take our campaign down. The opposite actually happened and they said that they want to help us optimize our page and I will be visiting their headquarters tomorrow! For once, thank you haters!

good news stone, i will be sending my 500 july 12th to help out my brotha

 

[Enchantre]

I've just discovered that, on the Funding site page, you can select the Funders tab and actually see and count how many at what level.

No, it's not correct in the side summary, but it is available. For what that's worth.

I haven't managed to justify a Cloud yet... and I have very, very limited funds until I graduate. Sigh.

 

[max]

it seems like someone contacted Indiegogo complaining about our campaign and that it should not be allowed.

That was me. I'm on my own campaign to wipe out use of this dangerous drug. Hasn't everyone seen Reefer Madness?

being that 12'oclock is 400f.

I wouldn't count on that. We've seen quite a few different temp variations at the same setting.

 

[filteredhead]

I added a shot of the abv to my above post in case anyone is interested in checking it out. Also, suspect the vapor fills the bub can slower in videos 2 and 3 due to the extra restriction. I was hoping to see the vapor start pouring out faster/instantly like it does on the sub videos i've seen however maybe that happens at higher temps?

You should up the temperature in your cloud so it can be closer to the 500f mark. Since the cloud goes to 500f at it's maximum setting, go to 3'oclock or little higher, while still heating the glass with your torch like you did in the previous experiment. This should be closer to the sublimator's design. You don't want to go to 500f with the cloud since it's heater holds it's temperature well, and it's long path(the bamboo) allows the air to heat up temperature evenly, it may cause combustion if you go that high.

From what I see in the picture the knob is at 1'oclock which may be in the lower 400f degrees area, being that 12'oclock is 400f.

BTW, if you vape around 4'oclock and keep your bowl loaded small(1/8-1/4 the size of the elb), you may not need to torch the glass to get similar results as the sublimator since the ultra hot air can still oxidize some of the thc into cbn, and give the results that some like with the sublimator. Just try to inhale slower so more hot air can stay in contact with the thc as it is released. This will also keep the vapor smooth since it has more time to stay in the cool environment that the water gives the bubbler.

Thanks for your great feedback and thoughts here. Good points, sounds like a plan, I will test with higher temps on the VX unit however I wonder if it will be even more difficult for me to distinguish the effects of the 2 setups. I say that because I do use the technique you mentioned when I want high-temp results (closer to a heavy stoned combustion high) from the VXC unit -- in that I set temp dial between 3 to 3.5 o'clock and take long slow draws with less than .05g loaded per hit, lots of vapor visible instantly, feels like a heavier high and the taste is not nearly as good as running at 1:30 which is my general middle-of-the-road average setting.

 

[Shrike]

Shame you can't find out who "complained" to Indiegogo...maybe someone with a "manufacturing" background?

 

[luchiano]

I wouldn't count on that. We've seen quite a few different temp variations at the same setting.

Ok, I didn't know this. So, all the VXC will not be the same temperature?.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Ok, I didn't know this. So, all the VXC will not be the same temperature?.

We had several algorithms in the past so there are units that perform differently at the same point on the dial but our next model, everything will be consistent. Some of the other inconsistencies were attributed to some of our manufacturing processes but I don't want to beat a dead horse as it is a sore subject around here and would rather focus on the future.

 

[filteredhead]

Ok, I didn't know this. So, all the VXC will not be the same temperature?.

I ordered a 2nd VXC unit in April 2013 from EZVapes and it would run super hot compared to my original non-ticker unit purchased in Jan 2013 from Vaporstore. My original generated blue vapor at 12 o'clock and white vapor near 4 o'clock, and seemed to be calibrated and work like how most VXC users describe here. The April unit ran super hot at my usual 1:30 setting from the get go. I could taste the poor flavor and see the massive vapor clouds right away. I backed off the temp dial gradually over a few sessions until the taste started to improve and started feeling like my original unit. I also used a heat temp gun to measure the temp inside the bamboo and was able to confirm that the newer April unit set at 10:00 o'clock would result in the same heat level as the my original January unit set to 1:30. In May the good folks at VapeXhale replaced the faulty unit with a properly calibrated one which works just like the original January unit. I've read posts on here that some clouds get too hot and some do not get hot enough. Am sure the temp dial mfg issue will be resolved in the future.

 

[pakalolo]

Lately have been intrigued with the technical info from various forum members regarding the Sublimator's atomizer. I really like the VXC's glass air path design and wondered if there would be a way to setup an experiment with a heated and restricted glass adapter to serve as a make-shift/wanna-be Sub-atomizer for my VX Cloud to play with.

Here's what I did: ...

This an interesting experiment but I'm not sure the atomizer is the whole story in the Sublimator. The Apollo heater is doing things to the airflow (Enrico calls it "vortexing") that increase its ability to extract. The Herbalaire can extract from unground buds using a similar approach. I suspect that the atomizer might be responsible for the smooth Sub hits but the thick clouds are created by the airflow. I therefore suggest you use a dry Cloud with and without your mod to check for a difference in smoothness.

 

[luchiano]

We had several algorithms in the past so there are units that perform differently at the same point on the dial but our next model, everything will be consistent. Some of the other inconsistencies were attributed to some of our manufacturing processes but I don't want to beat a dead horse as it is a sore subject around here and would rather focus on the future.

That's good to hear!

I'm happy for you Stonemonkey55, you came up BWOY!

 

[filteredhead]

This an interesting experiment but I'm not sure the atomizer is the whole story in the Sublimator. The Apollo heater is doing things to the airflow (Enrico calls it "vortexing") that increase its ability to extract. The Herbalaire can extract from unground buds using a similar approach. I suspect that the atomizer might be responsible for the smooth Sub hits but the thick clouds are created by the airflow. I therefore suggest you use a dry Cloud with and without your mod to check for a difference in smoothness.

Thank you, I will give that a try. IIRC, when the VXC temp is cranked up to 3 or higher the vapor generates faster and thicker out of the ELB, in general that whiter vapor is more harsh than the vapor generated at lower temp settings. As suggested I will do a test with heated glass restriction while running the VX Cloud at 4 o'clock and compare that to running the VX Cloud at 4 o'clock with the heated glass restriction. I figure the "vortexing" may be accelerating the heated air and fluffing it through the herb. As for the sub-atomizer my understanding is that it uses a single 1.7mm hole, whereas my hack glass disc/steel screen thingy has several tinier holes, which may not be as restrictive (or too restrictive) to work properly, dunno really since I do not have a Sublimator to compare the restriction so just talking out loud.

 

[luchiano]

Thank you, I will give that a try. IIRC, when the VXC temp is cranked up to 3 or higher the vapor generates faster and thicker out of the ELB, in general that whiter vapor is more harsh than the vapor generated at lower temp settings. As suggested I will do a test with heated glass restriction while running the VX Cloud at 4 o'clock and compare that to running the VX Cloud at 4 o'clock with the heated glass restriction. I figure the "vortexing" may be accelerating the heated air and fluffing it through the herb. As for the sub-atomizer my understanding is that it uses a single 1.7mm hole, whereas my hack glass disc/steel screen thingy has several tinier holes, which may not be as restrictive (or too restrictive) to work properly, dunno really since I do not have a Sublimator to compare the restriction so just talking out loud.

Try to keep the experiments separated at least 6 hours, because it would be hard to get a real feel for the differences if you do them back to back. 24 hours would be best, as well as other things that can effect the outcome but, you know this, since you give me the impression that you are very intelligent,

 

[filteredhead]

Thanks for your suggestion (keep em coming) and kinds words as i am just a hack who appreciates this community of wise folks such as yourself with williness to share knowledge and ideas to help curious types like me perhaps learn more. As suggested, next week (since I will be out of town this weekend) l will space out the tests over long periods of 6 hours and/or entire days, then re-test again some more before reporting back here.

 

[Seek]

... Just a bit of news to share, it seems like someone contacted Indiegogo complaining about our campaign and that it should not be allowed... For once, thank you haters!

You know you're doing it right when you make your heaters faces red.
I think it is a smart move to go out with the Nimbus ASAP so you will be the first if there is any danger of someone ripping it off because of these stolen designs.
Seems like someone really wants to do that. And tries to do everything to stop you. You will beat them, noone can make your awesome machines.

 

[Breathemetal]

Well no way Ill be pre-ordering since I need a new car soon, but I will definitely be keeping my eye on this. Oh well, better to wait for reviews anyways, at least imo it is better.
Sure the price might be a bit higher...but if its better than the current cloud+ plus then consider my SSV benched for quite a while...or perhaps sold...haha. Im not in the mood to collect a shit ton of vapes...I just want a few near-perfect ones...and this Nimbus looks like it will make its way into my collection one day!

 

[Timothy]

The Apollo heater is doing things to the airflow (Enrico calls it "vortexing") that increase its ability to extract..

Thanks to the great pictures from vtac above

I respectfully disagree about the "vortexing" to create a vortex or wirlwind effect you need to chanel the air a certain way. Do you see how the holes in the Apollo's heater are in drilled in a straight taper?

This would not cause the air to swirl, when someone is pulling air through, the air will simply follow the path of least resistance, which in this case is down.

This is just an hypothesis, but I have come to think that the restriction is slowing down the flow of air in a manner as such to allow the heat to concentrate on the herbal matierial for a longer period of time than most vaporizers with an "open airflow".

A great expample of this vortexing is the 419 pipe http://www.model419.com/magento/pics-videos.html