Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud
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ilovebOObs
can i stick my male joint in there?
lol spoke too soon? But i'm glad I saw what I did! lol
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
ilovebOObs
can i stick my male joint in there?
you have the sgw ht.
Thanks boobs, good to know I have the sgw! I love it! The ice pinches are definitely for me although i'm sure the HC kicks ass too. I'd love the sov or vert. now though, although i know vxl is gonna be releasing all those new ht's inc. the inlines real soon! 
So, for all my praise in my reviews and feedback for the hydracirc, it all only applies to the sgw showerdome. I love it, I think it's the perfect size for vapour and even with the Cloud on MAX, the vapour is sooooo smooth and tasty even with no water or ice. I can vape entire elb's on Max temp no prob, and the ABV is sooooo even and browned nicely. Perfect extraction! Looking forward to mating my sgw with my solo when the pvhes gong come out.
What's the max temp of the cloud supposed to be again? Based on feel of a dry ht and fulled packed bowl, on max temp, and look of the exhale vapour, i'm guessing around 210c? I think it could definitely go hotter for concentrates maybe, but I haven't tried any hash, just kif.
So, for all my praise in my reviews and feedback for the hydracirc, it all only applies to the sgw showerdome. I love it, I think it's the perfect size for vapour and even with the Cloud on MAX, the vapour is sooooo smooth and tasty even with no water or ice. I can vape entire elb's on Max temp no prob, and the ABV is sooooo even and browned nicely. Perfect extraction! Looking forward to mating my sgw with my solo when the pvhes gong come out.
What's the max temp of the cloud supposed to be again? Based on feel of a dry ht and fulled packed bowl, on max temp, and look of the exhale vapour, i'm guessing around 210c? I think it could definitely go hotter for concentrates maybe, but I haven't tried any hash, just kif.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I have the one of the left with the ice pinches. Do I have the SGW or the inhouse HydraCirc?
You have the SGW. The HydraCirc doesn't have ice pinches, the circ is wider, and IIRC the glass is heavier.
This?
POW! Found it! I soooooo need this glass piece! I sometimes don't really see the point to water in the HT since the vapours are already so damn smooth!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
vape4life, re the max temp, I'd say at least above 230C and maybe closer to 260C. SM has commented that he has gotten combustion, although that was only with throttling the airflow - that wouldn't happen unless the temp was already quite high.
I hear you about the water in the HT; great that you can do w/o it. For myself, being of the older variety, I need all the moisturizing and cooling that I can get.
I hear you about the water in the HT; great that you can do w/o it. For myself, being of the older variety, I need all the moisturizing and cooling that I can get.
230c to 260c? Not sure on that, I thought combustion occurred well before that? And my EQ could get hotter than the Cloud i'm pretty sure just based on how warm the vapour feels. I really don't think I have a "cool running unit" as my ABV is like instant coffee so I think it's spot on, with nice lighter vapour (but not super thin) at 7:00 and getting vapour thicker until max temp. I can use the HT dry no problem on max temp and it's not even close to being as irritating as the EQ or Solo on upper temps.
Would be nice to get some tips from anyone who knows how to throttle this badboy? I mean, what does it actually do other than restrict airflow? I guess it makes it hotter due to the restriction?
Would be nice to get some tips from anyone who knows how to throttle this badboy? I mean, what does it actually do other than restrict airflow? I guess it makes it hotter due to the restriction?
VapeNStone
Mark
I ordered the Hydracirc and they sent the SGW
. They said it was a glitch in the system and it shouldn't have said it was in stock. Doesn't matter because the SGW is the shiznitty notmyrealUSERname
Notmy Well-Known Member
The throttling technique is simply putting your finger over the air intake to restrict the airflow - I have been doing this my ha ha forever!
My theory is that by restricting the rate of airflow with your finger, you are giving the cold air more time to be heated which will increase its temp before it gets to the elb/crucible. I think you could get the same results by slowing your draw speed to just enough to move the air/vapor through the vape.
Throttling should work at any temp, but it's only really beneficial to do it if you're already on max temp on the dial and it's still not hot enough for you. The ha only gets to 400F, which can leave some people wanting more. If you are only in the middle of the dial then you should just turn the heat up rather than using the throttle tech.
I ordered the Hydracirc and they sent the SGW
I think that's what happend to me as well, and like you i'm pretty happy about it! lol I LOVE my SGW! I remember being bummed earlier in the thread with some reporting QC issues with it (can't remember what they were, I think maybe cracks?) but mine is completely flawless, just like my Cloud!
WELCOME BACK TROI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Fair point. From all I've read, the range can be considerable given the moisture in the herb and other variables. 205C/400F is often cited, but typical flame is =>260C and in posts here I recall peeps saying they had combusted with the Q but only at ~260C. Many vape at 230C, and no combustion. I'd kinda be surprised if the Cloud only went to 205C when other vapes get much hotter.
True that moisture will have an effect, but I don't think even the driest herb I've used would ignite as low as 205°C. Of course, the temperatures displayed by almost all (if not all) vaporizers is not the temperature at the point of vapourization. These 205°C citations, are they from reliable sources or posts on grasscity.com and the like?
jackstraw62
Low temp deadhead vaporist
that is what I am looking for also or something similar . vxc should sell something like this i would buy one.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
It appears there is limited real data, I presume due to the dearth of controlled studies. The thread here which lists boiling temps omits the flash points as difficult to ascertain; the author attributes that to variations in strains but he does state that combustion begins about 260C/500F, not sourced. Vaporpedia shows vaporization occurring up to 230C, but it's also not sourced. IIRC there is a study done with the Volcano where the vape temps are set "just short of combustion" wihch is indicated to be ~205/400F, but I don't buy that, especially given the Volcano can be set much higher. I can't put my finger on anything definitive at the moment, but I would be surprised at combustion <~260C.
Re the temps displayed by vapes, IMO these are quite deceptive and the value is primarily for the user to find a reference point that works for him/her according to one's session technique. Other than technical challenges with measuring the temp at point of contact, a major issue is the change in temp that occurs as the air moves thru and exits the chamber. I once posted here an analysis of Volcano temps at point of airflow entry and exit, where there was a surprisingly substantial reduction in temperature in that short distance. Hence the potential importance of how a bowl is loaded, stirring, etc. Interestingly, the Cloud appears able to maintain a fairly consistent temp throughout the chamber, which accounts for its even and thorough extraction.
Wow, try standing in front of a window with indirect sun and loading an ELB. I know I have large, clumsy hands, but a crap-load ended up on the floor each time I loaded it by hand, LOL!
Oh, and once it is loaded, take a look at the cloud that is exhaled while standing in front of said window!
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Oh, and once it is loaded, take a look at the cloud that is exhaled while standing in front of said window!
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Same here.
I think that was a design goal for the Cloud, if I recall the early posts in the original thread correctly. In addition, they also wanted to design a device that did not undergo a temperature drop during the draw. From what I've read here, they pretty much succeeded on both counts.