Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I love the EVO for FLAVOR and to be honest EFFECT as well!
1:00 normally - 2:00 if the CANNABIS was pulled early.
Everyday I use it!
TheSandyLorax
Well-Known Member
I just send got mine back yesterday. Mailed it off last Thursday and got it back the next Wednesday (yesterday), 6 days turn around, including mail time. I am in California.
Yes they both emailed and fedex texted me when it was on its way. Had to sign for the package too.
I was very happy with the quick turn around and quality repair.
Summer
Long Island, NY
@Dynavaper, if you bought directly from VXH, they have a 30-day return policy even if used.
Ripbongs420
vapiff
Just to give my opinion, I followed the OG cloud thread very closely since before they were taking pre-orders. I would say with a lot of confidence that the original clouds did not have this whistling problem anywhere close to the EVO. The evidence is here to see, its just not talked about very much in that thread. It should be addressed as an issue IMO. 
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I hear U!Just to give my opinion, I followed the OG cloud thread very closely since before they were taking pre-orders. I would say with a lot of confidence that the original clouds did not have this whistling problem anywhere close to the EVO. The evidence is here to see, its just not talked about very much in that thread. It should be addressed as an issue IMO.
Da whistle threw me off my game at 1st?
NOW I'm use to it!
GDP = HEAVY
DUTCH TREAT x BLUE DREAM = TASTY
SOUR LEMON KUSH = ESPRESSO DESERT with EVO = CIVILIZED
MEDICATED
HIGH
STONED
SHIT FACED
ALL of the ABOVE
EVO'D 2 a level of NIRVANA = CIVILIZED = DISCOURSE = READ = LEARN
My lip's R pucker'd?
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Wow, I rather like mine. Need to use a Hyrda Foot or some other base as this thing's base is too small to be stable (or at least stable enough for my clumsy hands).
Yes, I too fill just a bit over the perc but don't get water in my mouth. I do sometimes get a tiny bit of water in the very top chamber but it doesn't impact anything at all.
Look forward to seeing if you hold the same views with a more experience of it.
Cheers
2 Cycle
Well-Known Member
maybe i am filling it wrong or something, are you filling it through the top ? Maybe i am doing something wrong here
Baron23
Well-Known Member
hahaha...yeah, and I had to write to them to ask how to fill it as I was stumped (and apparently I'm not too bright either! LOL)
They said yes, absolutely only fill it from the MP end (which I thought but the hole was so small).
I use a plastic syringe (have a set I use for all sorts of hobby type stuff) to fill it and filled it about a 1/4" above the perc. I made sure to shake it a bit and get excess water that was sitting on the top lip above the perc chamber (don't know how else to describe it) but there is really not much there.
I actually sometimes get just a bit of water spray in my mouth from my OG Turbine HT but not the Calyx so far.
For me, biggest advantage is smoothness...for some reason it seems really very smooth to me.
2 Cycle
Well-Known Member
I was thinking syringe as well, I wanted it mostly to use as a mouthpiece for my FC mod and FC UFO. With so much water near the top it was causing problems and with the FC UFO even the joint end was filling with water lol. Clearly I am doing something wrong, will invest in syringe thanks hombre
Baron23
Well-Known Member
My only thoughts are that if you are getting water in the bottom part then either you are sucking it up out of your FC pieces or you filled the top too high and its running down that inner tube between the chambers.
As for syringes, I bought these and they are very helpful with cleaning up vape stuff, etc. Well worth the price IMO.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HFTYINS/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cheers
alltoreup
Damn you, party liquor
Mine whistled when new. Then I vaped a shitload of weed through it and used different hydratubes and I forgot that it whistled. Then it didn’t whistle. No matter what I used. Can’t explain it. Don’t care.
I cleaned it thoroughly. Didn’t whistle after the cleaning. Can’t explain. I’ve read about whistling since the EVO came out but I can’t reproduce it. I just sent mine in for repair for a loose bamboo so we will see if it whistles when it comes back. The first time I sent mine in it whistled after the repair, then it didn’t, even after cleaning. Can’t explain that either. It just stops.
Bottom line...the whistle can/will go away. Maybe the whistlers just more weed through them
I cleaned it thoroughly. Didn’t whistle after the cleaning. Can’t explain. I’ve read about whistling since the EVO came out but I can’t reproduce it. I just sent mine in for repair for a loose bamboo so we will see if it whistles when it comes back. The first time I sent mine in it whistled after the repair, then it didn’t, even after cleaning. Can’t explain that either. It just stops.
Bottom line...the whistle can/will go away. Maybe the whistlers just more weed through them
Brewervapesalot
Well-Known Member
Mine whistled when new. Then I vaped a shitload of weed through it .... It ... stop[ped]....
I definitely like the repair method chosen !!
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Just fwiw, maybe to add a tad more clarity . . .
First, as a reference point, in my previous life GE Medical was a client of mine. GE's imaging equipment used glass tubes which were hand-blown. GE could not develop a method to automate the process. Even though there was a tolerance range, the reject rate was still quite high. The cost of the poor yield was of course baked into the pricing, which fortunately for GE, was possible due to the nature of that particular market and GE's position in it.
The first EVO's delivered to the "Fanatics" incurred a number of complaints regarding the whistle (the units were exchanged). I talked with Seibo about the bamboo design and manufacturing process. Similar to GE, the bamboo had to be hand made. A tolerance range was defined, and a tool devised to manually measure the orifice diameters. My observations at the time were (a) The glass heat chamber design was central to the EVO's convection performance and its marketing message, (b) there are 2 orifices that affect air flow along with the draw, (c) the tool had to be very precise, and (d) a manual measurement process would inherently induce some errors. My net impression was that VXL had a problem similar to GE's, but without GE's advantages.
So . . . VXL apparently made a cost/benefit business decision, as all manufacturers do all the time. In this case, the perceived customer satisfaction costs were outweighed by the perceived costs of design changes and/or lower margin and/or higher prices. These latter costs were not financially sustainable; like most small cottage-industry companies, VXL was operating on a shoestring. (Recall that it needed advance customer funding just to bring the EVO to market, not to speak of the later heavy ancillary production costs VXL incurred due to its inexperience.) The EVO's market performance would seem to justify its decision, although that of course is little consolation to those customers for whom the whistle issue could not be resolved.
So IMHO the short of it is that both of you are correct on most of your points.
The whistle is the result of the force of air in/out of the heat chamber orifices, all of which vary. There are multitude permutations. While some units did not whistle, most did but across a rather wide range of pitch, the perception of which also varied considerably from one user to another. The whistle and variance is not a flaw, but a design decision. Personally, I don't expect that to change, unless it is in a new product generation.There is one other likely variable that hasn't been mentioned: The glass. IIRC, the few HT's at release had fairly similar airflow. I can't speak to later HT's; I don't have any. Certainly using a whip will change the dynamics. I used my EVO with a number of 3rd-party pieces and my perception is that the glass could have a major affect. But since I have a non-whistling unit in the first place, I can't confirm that. @Brewervapesalot, I wonder, might this be a solution to your problem?
Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
You are right, the different glass totally does change the whistle completely. I have forgot about that and I remember that only way I could explain that to myself was that because the different glass forcess the air to moves in different temporal/spatial patterns, it also moves in different parrent through the bambo, changing the dynamics and therefore the whistle. IT whistles most with a dry mouthpiece, because there are no patterns that would disrupt the resonance in the bamboo.
Brewervapesalot
Well-Known Member
But since I have a non-whistling unit in the first place, I can't confirm that.@Brewervapesalot, I wonder, might this be a solution to your problem?
I've tried a few different bongs and hydratubes as well as a whip (I connect the whip to a stainless coil that I freeze; it's quite nice) but all still whistle.... the other thing that is frustrating is that the hole itself is smaller on my evo so draw restriction is greater....
Overall, not a big deal because I just use an original cloud 99% of the time....
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Seems to be a conundrum, doesn't it? @Brewervapesalot, apparently the EVO gods just won't give you a break. I'm glad you have that OG!
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oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
wildything
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dropdown + adapter + invert EVO
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Long ago I used a setup for another vape that was like what VXL sells. I probably got the adapters from aqualabtechnologies.com, but possibly at one of the other main online vape stores. A female 18/19mm is necessary for the EVO, your glass piece will take either an 18/19mm or a 14mm assuming it has a GonG joint. I think I used 5/16" food-grade silicone tubing, although 3/8" sometimes works too (depends on the ID). You can also get cut lengths of that tubing at online vape stores, but if you intend to use a long whip or use this setup for a long while, you might want to consider buying a longer length, which you can get from Amazon.
If you choose a setup which requires inverting the EVO, keep in mind that is not recommended to do except very briefly. Inverted the heat rises towards the electronics which are in the EVO base behind the switch and knob. Also extra care is called for placing the EVO joint inverted into glass pieces - I do this all the time with my Mobius Ion, but I do need to pay closer attention (which if you're really blasted, you can forget to do; I know I have).
InhaleExhale
Well-Known Member
Forum favorite Oregonglassblower.com sells glass joints for attaching whips to, as well as 18F/18 and 18F/14 adapters. However I did buy the EVO glass whip parts from VXL during a sale. 4/20 coming up...
I use an adapter when inverting the EVO on a WP (as an adapter is less expensive to replace than WP). @oldiebutgoodie is correct that you only want to invert into a WP when taking a drag so as to avoid damaging the electronic components (located at the base). I take my pull then remove the EVO until the next pull. Since the EVO has a glass core I prefer to use whips for group sessions as I don't want to risk someone dropping or damaging the EVO while attempting to handle it. I don't like how whips increase the air path and reduce the flavor, so I hardly ever use a whip with a WP when using the EVO solely. Whipping doesn't seem to matter to my friends who are blown away by it's performance!
Negative to inverting is the ELB lids can deform after heavy use and without care the lid can occasionally fall off resulting in ABV/herb in your WP. I occasionally use a small dowel to gently push into the ELB lid top and widen the screen diameter. Once, in an emergency, I used a Dynavap Omni mouthpiece to do the same.
I think VXL uses 3/8" ID tubing.
I use an adapter when inverting the EVO on a WP (as an adapter is less expensive to replace than WP). @oldiebutgoodie is correct that you only want to invert into a WP when taking a drag so as to avoid damaging the electronic components (located at the base). I take my pull then remove the EVO until the next pull. Since the EVO has a glass core I prefer to use whips for group sessions as I don't want to risk someone dropping or damaging the EVO while attempting to handle it. I don't like how whips increase the air path and reduce the flavor, so I hardly ever use a whip with a WP when using the EVO solely. Whipping doesn't seem to matter to my friends who are blown away by it's performance!
Negative to inverting is the ELB lids can deform after heavy use and without care the lid can occasionally fall off resulting in ABV/herb in your WP. I occasionally use a small dowel to gently push into the ELB lid top and widen the screen diameter. Once, in an emergency, I used a Dynavap Omni mouthpiece to do the same.
I think VXL uses 3/8" ID tubing.