Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[Roth]

So this anniversary sale seems to be going until there is nothing left to sell.

What happens then?

Is there something big coming? Or do they just get another shipment go back to biz as usual?

A few months ago they put out that survey asking whether people would prefer a smaller version of the EVO with some other features (I forget right now), or a new portable product.

This is purely speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if this major sale is to generate some capital for whichever upcoming endeavor they go for.

I'd imagine things go back to normal for them after this sale. At least from our perspective.

 

[TommydCat]

Anyone have any thoughts on the grav HTs? I don't know much about glass, even less about the new tubes (or are they just reintroduced old tubes?) that have been put up recently. They certainly look nice! Although I'm guessing it's not worth having more than one HT for the EVO if I'm not exactly a glass connoisseur, LOL.

I got both the tree and circ GravLabs hydratubes from one of the last Massdrops they carried. I can compare them to the Swagger side circ.

For me, there's little actual difference between the GravLabs tree and circ, other than the can is a bit higher on the tree (at least on mine) which actually improves the functionality. Overall, I think the cans are too small, the shortness requiring a low water level, which also means little water overall. Expect to change the water frequently for taste.

Since the arm sits a bit lower due to the shorter can on the circ, the water likes make a second, natural perc out of the side arm. Don't even think about even a drop of cranberry extract or you'll be tasting cranberry very soon

The pictures up on VapeXhale's site now seem to have a bit thicker glass than mine, but I'm not convinced. The Swagger side circ is thick and these seem thin.. Not sure how I'd measure it, but if I were to guess, the GravLabs would be ~3mm and the Swagger ~5mm. I feel like I could commit a crime holding the arm of the Swagger, but I feel like I need to be careful with the GravLab ones.

The Swagger side circ has the...errr...phallic looking mouth piece, making it an absolute pain to clean. The GravLab tubes both seem to clean much more easily, but getting air bubbles out for a PBW soak is still a chore and the bottom chamber likes to rez up quite quickly and thick(ly).

All said, I do like the GravLab tubes with a slight preference to the tree (not sure if it's production difference, tho), and I actually do use them but likely would have reconsidered my purchase.

My Mobius Clear is still my go-to - what Hydratube is going to change that?

 

[Socks And Sandals]

@Roth and @Slow Draw McGraw

Thanks guys.. I actually just finished skimming through that RezBlock thread. Towards the end everyone mentioned the exact same two products that you guys did. Thanks fellas!

I never found that I really save much money with any of the vapes I've owned. I consume about the same amount as when I smoked; I just enjoy it way more now.

This isn't very reassuring to me I have to admit. Especially when one of the biggest draws to vaporization besides the health benefits is that it's supposed to save us money on our herb and efficiency is the 2nd biggest factor for me as far as ease of use and quality of the vapor. Really hope this isn't true or at the very least.. there is something I can do to conserve.

 

[gaseous_clay]

I just had like, a beautiful thought...

In comparing hydratubes to something that has a base and is self supporting, a HT feels more personal to me.

Maybe because you hold it.

 

[Seek]

Anyone else finding that they don't actually save any money using the EVO?
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So now I consume about the same amount, but I just get a much stronger effect

So you're saving potential money. If you started getting that much stronger effect by smoking, it would cost you more.

 

[justcametomind]

No he's wasting money cause the Evo causes his tolerance to go up and needs to use more stuff now!

 

[MinnBobber]

This isn't very reassuring to me I have to admit. Especially when one of the biggest draws to vaporization besides the health benefits is that it's supposed to save us money on our herb and efficiency is the 2nd biggest factor for me as far as ease of use and quality of the vapor. Really hope this isn't true or at the very least.. there is something I can do to conserve.

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For me, my best estimate is that I use 1/5 the herb vs smoking bud, to attain the same level.
It might even be less than 1/5

 

[KimDracula]

Once the vaporizer crosses a certain threshold of effectiveness, I feel it's up to the consumer to conserve product. There is a ceiling at which you pretty much have gotten everything you can get out of your flowers and no vape will make it somehow better. From my particular experience, the relative incredible efficiency of vaping has been a bit overblown. If you're comparing vaporizer to vaporizer, however, I think that can be more useful.

The EVO is an efficient vaporizer because you can load small amounts (including kief and hash) and get a full extraction (of waxes/extracts as well) and it's super easy to use. I don't think you should be discouraged, @Socks And Sandals . Many people do say they use less with vapes, and with this one in particular; I'm just not one of them. Keep in mind, though, that this is likely due to many factors other than the capabilities of the EVO. I have a high tolerance and have no good reason to use less than my normal amount as long as I can afford it so I just get higher and have more fun and less anxiety, insomnia, etc. (like @Seek said, pretty much). This is gonna blow the Plenty and the E-Nano out of the water completely, I think. I'd be hugely surprised if you were disappointed.

 

[New_buddy]

@MinnBobber That is a horribly misleading estimation, IMO.

I've been vaping for several years and to say it makes your herbs 5x more potent is a little ridiculous IME. Admittedly, I've never used a log style vape, but with the EVO I'd say my buds are somewhere between 2-3x more potent, but probably closer to only 2x. Saying 5x is absurd to me.

There's no way I'd be higher off of .2 vaped than an entire gram smoked, though it'd probaly have an as strong, if not stronger, effect than .5 smoked.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

The EVO in particular is not conservative for me....I just keep using the damn thing!

In seriousness, I have been over indulging. I tend to pack the ELB's fully, but I can see this being pretty conservative. Not sure though..I tend not to keep it running all the time, and its a lot of heatup/wait time for just a small amount of herb. If I kept it on though, I can see it.

IME, I fall somewhere right between @New_buddy & @MinnBobber but it also depends on the vape. My underdogs get me blasted with a small amount. The Mighty takes more than the Underdogs but gets me "higher" (subjective, as I'm using more), and the Herbalaire gets me fuckin toasted (I pack like .3-.5) I'm packing more than my Mighty but less than my HA in my EVO, and it gets me lit.

So, the amount I'm using is variable. But, in terms of "highs" acquired. I definitely need less, to get high, and it tends to last longer. (And I would rank the Evo highly in the amount used compared to the high I got) I bought all my vapes essentially on money I was using for bud...I was smoking a zip and some change (quarter?) in a month. I vape AT most a 1/2 in a month. Comes and goes and depends, and concentrates mess with my usage as I am vaping less when using them, but I'd say 1/2 is my average per month. So, I'd say I get more than 2x out of my meds, but not quite 5x

That's not even considering cooking with the AVB...hmm. Too high off the EVO to consider

 

[TeeJay1952]

If 80% of smoke is bad stuff with the remaining 20% THC and terps than 100% vapor comprised of all THC & terps would be 5 times concentration of goodies. I don't know about ability to absorb but 5x exposure is what happens.

 

[KimDracula]

That doesn't make any sense. If smoke was destroying 80% of the active compounds we care about vs. vaporizing delivering all 100% then it would.

 

[TeeJay1952]

No, smoke is comprised of burning vegetative matter. Vapor is THC & other stuff melted off plant and made into particulates that we ingest. You have so much capacity in your lungs. If the volume is taken up with smoke there is no room for the vapor.

 

[Roth]

Just wanted to let people know, apparently ALL EVO's come with a full 1-year warranty and a 3-year warranty on electronics.

I was in contact with VapeXhale customer service and asked since the new EVO's come with a 3 year warranty, did older purchases get grandfathered in? I was told, "Warranty has always been 1 year full warranty, with 3 years on electronics. The verbiage was inconsistent through out the past couple years but I think we got it right now."

I see now, that if you purchase their "Platinum Warranty" for $150 it gets you one free repair of user fault breakage of the bamboo and one for the hydratube. Actually not a bad deal imo.

So, good to know my EVO still is under warranty.

I got an email from Vapornation.com regarding a sitewide 20% off with coupon code "WEEN". I mention it because it looks like they still have the out-of-stock Hydratubes like the Hydrabomb for $200. With the 20% off that's nearing the sale price.

Just want to say thanks to @KimDracula for bringing this to my attention. I wanted to get a Hydrabomb from VXL while they were on sale. They were supposed to get some more in stock this week, but something came up and they won't be in in time for the sale.

So thanks to you, was able to grab a Hydrabomb from Vapornation for nearly the same price.

And just an fyi, when your WEEN code expires, it looks like Vapornation has a standing coupon of 21% for FC, just use FC21.

Still picked up a 5-pack of Quartz VXNails, couldn't pass up that price. I'd been wanting to try one for a while, but couldn't spend $50/nail on them. But for $12, absolutely!

 

[1337Dude]

Well, I managed to take advantage of the sale despite buying mine a month before it started. Bought the basic kit for my girlfriend for her birthday for $270 She seems to love it and brag about it every time I see her. I've been digging the regular mouthpiece and I'm finding myself wishing it came with Hydratube kits. It's a slightly hotter for sure but the flavor and lack of any draw restriction makes for an extremely enjoyable experience. Seemed a lot easier for her to take big hits than it was out of my hydratube.

 

[KimDracula]

No, smoke is comprised of burning vegetative matter. Vapor is THC & other stuff melted off plant and made into particulates that we ingest. You have so much capacity in your lungs. If the volume is taken up with smoke there is no room for the vapor.

The thing you're missing is that most of the actives delivered by vapor are also delivered by the smoke. I know what vapor is. That's not the problem. We don't vaporize because it gives us so much more of something, but rather because we get less burning plant matter.

 

[MinnBobber]

If 80% of smoke is bad stuff with the remaining 20% THC and terps than 100% vapor comprised of all THC & terps would be 5 times concentration of goodies. I don't know about ability to absorb but 5x exposure is what happens.

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The figures I trust most are:
-- smoking is just over 90% bad chemicals from combustion and 10% THC and other cannabinoids
-- vaping is the reverse, about 90% THC/goodies and about 10% misc

Not matter what the exact figures, vaping gives you a much better combination

EDIT: just read the posts saying 5X efficiency vaping is absurd.
Above are the facts why 5X is very possible. From same bud, 10% goodies when smoked and 90% goodies when vaped. Combustion by it's nature destroys some of the goodies while vaping is much more efficient with them.

 

[TeeJay1952]

The thing you're missing is that most of the actives delivered by vapor are also delivered by the smoke. I know what vapor is. That's not the problem. We don't vaporize because it gives us so much more of something, but rather because we get less burning plant matter.

You can only hold the cloud inside you for so long. There are only so many receptors for THC. If the cloud consists of 80% non THC material and vapor provides larger concentration of THC than the receptors are inundated at a 5x level. I think we are agreeing based on your last sentence.

I am done.

 

[gaseous_clay]

Nobody told me there would be math.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Ahhhh I'm still so torn.

Seems so ridiculous to be thinking Firewood vs Evo right? But that's where I am since either one is probably unnecessary for me... Evo probably makes sense given my only desktop is Underdog and my T1 with the PA, but its just so hard to justify the price with 3 powerful convection portables coming that all cost less (hence maybe getting 4th cheap one in FW...)

So maybe some input from more people with Evo, as well as a variety of other convection vapes, is Evo really worth it?

Talking evolver hydratree too btw so input there much appreciated as well, I've already got 10arm treeperc bubbler (small chamber with draw restriction though) inline honeycomb, GB-187 matrix, and a straight tube bong ice catch, am I really missing out an a hydratube?

@IAmKrazy2 and @stickstones I know how you two feel, but I am such a waffler (its been weeks of this back and forth! lol)

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

Ahhhh I'm still so torn.

Seems so ridiculous to be thinking Firewood vs Evo right? But that's where I am since either one is probably unnecessary for me... Evo probably makes sense given my only desktop is Underdog and my T1 with the PA, but its just so hard to justify the price with 3 powerful convection portables coming that all cost less (hence maybe getting 4th cheap one in FW...)

So maybe some input from more people with Evo, as well as a variety of other convection vapes, is Evo really worth it?

Talking evolver hydratree too btw so input there much appreciated as well, I've already got 10arm treeperc bubbler (small chamber with draw restriction though) inline honeycomb, GB-187 matrix, and a straight tube bong ice catch, am I really missing out an a hydratube?

@IAmKrazy2 and @stickstones I know how you two feel, but I am such a waffler (its been weeks of this back and forth! lol)

I can't believe you don't have an EVO. With your vast vape experience. I own a EVO, a Cloud + , a Mighty, a Solo, EQ, and a VB2.0. The first and the last are the only ones I couldn't live without!
Edit: With the sale price of the EVO they are giving it away! I paid twice as much and its worth every penny!

 

[KimDracula]

Save for whatever small percentage of active compounds may be destroyed by combustion, you're going to be dealing with the same stuff simply delivered in a more efficient and more pleasant manner.

Vaporizing any amount of cannabis versus smoking it isn't going to get the average person five times as high. If it does for you then you are fortunate. I don't think the margin is anywhere close to that.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

@MinnBobber That is a horribly misleading estimation, IMO.

I've been vaping for several years and to say it makes your herbs 5x more potent is a little ridiculous IME. Admittedly, I've never used a log style vape, but with the EVO I'd say my buds are somewhere between 2-3x more potent, but probably closer to only 2x. Saying 5x is absurd to me.

There's no way I'd be higher off of .2 vaped than an entire gram smoked, though it'd probaly have an as strong, if not stronger, effect than .5 smoked.

After re-reading what he wrote, I don't think that's what @MinnBobber was trying to say. I'm sure he was speaking about the amount of herb he goes through when compared to combustion. I didn't see that he was referring about potency at all man.

 

[Hot Dog Day 187]

I have a question about this vaporizer vs the older model cloud. One of my friends has a cloud plus I have been using at his house for years and it's just great. We met someone who owned a cloud evo he got from massdrop and got excited because I hadn't got to use an evo yet though. He said he had an older model and sold it for the evo but never used the evo because he didn't like it as much. he basically only used it for vape nails.
When I asked him why he didnt use the evo he said it didn't work well. you could get about 2 decent size hits after 4-5 hits of nothing and then nothing else. i asked to try it out anyway and sure enough what he said was true!
is this normal for cloud evos? sounds like some of you guys like it more than your cloud +'s but i can't imagine wanting to switch to a vape where i need to hit it a bunch of times before it starts and my friends' cloud + the bowls last way longer anyway. it just doesnt seem to add up though. do you all have to hit it a lot and get a few medium-ish rips out of it, or is his evo mis functioning?
I love my SSV to death and won't be getting rid of it but I was thinking about getting a vape to be a companion to it when i wanted a different kind of vape experience

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

I have a question about this vaporizer vs the older model cloud. One of my friends has a cloud plus I have been using at his house for years and it's just great. We met someone who owned a cloud evo he got from massdrop and got excited because I hadn't got to use an evo yet though. He said he had an older model and sold it for the evo but never used the evo because he didn't like it as much. he basically only used it for vape nails.
When I asked him why he didnt use the evo he said it didn't work well. you could get about 2 decent size hits after 4-5 hits of nothing and then nothing else. i asked to try it out anyway and sure enough what he said was true!
is this normal for cloud evos? sounds like some of you guys like it more than your cloud +'s but i can't imagine wanting to switch to a vape where i need to hit it a bunch of times before it starts and my friends' cloud + the bowls last way longer anyway. it just doesnt seem to add up though. do you all have to hit it a lot and get a few medium-ish rips out of it, or is his evo mis functioning?
I love my SSV to death and won't be getting rid of it but I was thinking about getting a vape to be a companion to it when i wanted a different kind of vape experience

Simply put, Somethings wrong with that EVO! I own a Cloud+ That has red plastic protection caps on it to help protect it from all the dust it's collecting.
Vaporizer turned dust collector! The Evo is the Vape that sends other Vapes into early retirement!
EDIT: Also I could be wrong but I think the MassDrop EVOs came before the Firmware update. The New EVOs work at 12 and below for herbs. If it doesn't do that, it's outdated!
And it should turn herbs dark brown in 3 hits at 12!