Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[Tstat]

I made a stand for a guy once who complained that it smelled like stain. He bitched about being a medical patient and how I should not be selling "toxic" shit to patients. I immediately refunded his money, but wanted to ask how a stained stand could affect health since its never being "inhaled".

My point is that I can also smell something at the bottom of my EVO, but is that smell entering the vapor path? If not, then I don't see it as a problem. I would think that it's not, due to the bamboo running the entire length of the unit, but I may be wrong.

 

[t-dub]

I must chime in here. I have placed my very sensitive nose all over my EVO. I run it all day, every day. I remember a slight smell when running inverted when it was new, but now its so smell neutral that the "honey" smell from the gong far outshines any other odors I can perceive from anywhere around the case.

 

[elmomuzz]

really? That is hard to believe.

It's true. The glass gets really hot but the heating coil surrounding the glass gets extremely hot. I've measured both areas with a ir and thermocouple thermometer.

 

[newVaper420]

I made a stand for a guy once who complained that it smelled like stain. He bitched about being a medical patient and how I should not be selling "toxic" shit to patients. I immediately refunded his money, but wanted to ask how a stained stand could affect health since its never being "inhaled".

My point is that I can also smell something at the bottom of my EVO, but is that smell entering the vapor path? If not, then I don't see it as a problem. I would think that it's not, due to the bamboo running the entire length of the unit, but I may be wrong.

Ok, the stand I understand. You are not inhaling that.

However, the EVO, if the smell is coming out by the bottom of the bamboo, and you are inhaling, it will get sucked in threw the bamboo. The smell is outside the bamboo, but since it's so close to the bamboo, one assumes that whatever smell is around the bamboo will be sucked into the bamboo as well.

 

[Ricchini]

I think the big eye catcher is obviously the enormous clouds, powerful extraction, all glass= tasty.

Truthfully I'm a cheap mofo, I need an efficient vape at this point in my life.

Can you guys fill me in: ridiculously itty bitty packs, can you still get a respectable rip?

Obviously I'm going to take monster drags at times, but other times (most times) I need my vape to be competent at handling tiny loads, yet still leave you feeling like you got a robust hit. There's nothing worse than a weak hit where you kind of feel cheated because it was so airy.

So basically, can the EVO handle tiny packs, as in like one-half of an M&M candy. I know I'm a cheap sob, but I'm in art school, already went to college and got a degree once, debt is a sonofabitch, so is living in a state that still hasn't 'got with the times'.

 

[SD_haze]

I think the big eye catcher is obviously the enormous clouds, powerful extraction, all glass= tasty.

Truthfully I'm a cheap mofo, I need an efficient vape at this point in my life.

Can you guys fill me in: ridiculously itty bitty packs, can you still get a respectable rip?

Obviously I'm going to take monster drags at times, but other times (most times) I need my vape to be competent at handling tiny loads, yet still leave you feeling like you got a robust hit. There's nothing worse than a weak hit where you kind of feel cheated because it was so airy.

So basically, can the EVO handle tiny packs, as in like one-half of an M&M candy. I know I'm a cheap sob, but I'm in art school, already went to college and got a degree once, debt is a sonofabitch, so is living in a state that still hasn't 'got with the times'.

1/2 of a M&M candy? If it's frosty flowers then I could absolutely medicate with that much using the EVO. For my first session of the day, anyway. I would probably bump up the heat a little tho.

 

[kimura]

I think the big eye catcher is obviously the enormous clouds, powerful extraction, all glass= tasty.

Truthfully I'm a cheap mofo, I need an efficient vape at this point in my life.

Can you guys fill me in: ridiculously itty bitty packs, can you still get a respectable rip?

Obviously I'm going to take monster drags at times, but other times (most times) I need my vape to be competent at handling tiny loads, yet still leave you feeling like you got a robust hit. There's nothing worse than a weak hit where you kind of feel cheated because it was so airy.

So basically, can the EVO handle tiny packs, as in like one-half of an M&M candy. I know I'm a cheap sob, but I'm in art school, already went to college and got a degree once, debt is a sonofabitch, so is living in a state that still hasn't 'got with the times'.

the EVO makes more delicious clouds of vapor out of less material than I have ever experienced before. I regularly run loads around .05g and get 1-2 big, delicious clouds. I usually prefer to run a few small loads than one big one. for some strains I like to try to bang it out in one draw because flavor drops off so dramatically after that first rip... other strains still taste pretty good on the second draw. the potency and flavor of these little loads is greater than on any other vape I've used.

I can sprinkle just enough material to cover the bottom of an ELB and still get a nice cloud. not massive by EVO/Cloud standards but still tasty and potent. its ridiculous, considering that you can also go the other direction and load a 1/2 ELB and get massive clouds, the potency of which can rival a dab in my opinion.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Haven't been around in a while....never used the EVO inverted and never smelled anything foul, but I also never sniffed the bottom intake, but rather the gong joint. I have witnessed browning of the white insulation material in the original Cloud near the very top (some bits even stuck out), and my present FakeXhale from @lazylathe has a faint smell of that same solder/flux electronics odour only if inverted for a bit. It's not a heavy smell that's forsure, and I think the olfactory sensors get used to the smell quickly.

I can actually see in from the bottom of this Cloud+ fakexhale and clearly see the PCB and wires....the wires appear like they may be able to make contact with the bamboo (near the bottom anyway), where it is "normally" cooler. When inverted, that section perhaps gets hotter and if any insulation material from the wire makes contact, it might produce that smell?

I too have been slightly dissappointed with the rollout of the EVO. My own opinion regarding the heat output is similar to when the Cloud+ came out and many units were not getting hot enough. I understand SM55 maintains that the hot OG's and Cloud+ were running too hot, but damn those were the CLOUDS!

I also appreciate SM55 acknowledging and taking a stand to address this issue promptly. However, the "you can smell lemons" comment i'm not too sure of. I rather smell lemons all day long everyday, than inhale the smell of plastic or whatever. Sure, there is no proof that it's harming health, but personally I don't trust much of what is man made.

The comment about being able to smell things wasn't made to say what was preferable, just to demonstrate that just because you can smell something, doesn't automatically mean it is bad for you. After testing over 10 units (brand new, slightly used, really well used, inverted for a long time, inverted for a short period of time, wires touching bamboo, wires not touching bamboo, different angles of inversions)

Here are their observations:

* Units do not exhibit a smell if used upright.
* 8 out of 10 units did not exhibit varying degrees of smell when inverted until after 30 seconds
* 2 out of 10 units exhibited a smell within 15 seconds. These happened to be two of the older/longer running units and when we opened one up, we noticed some particulate matter that somehow made its way down was giving off a smell. The second unit seemed to have a bit more "hand oil" which was giving off an odor.
* After 45 minutes of being inverted, the temperature in the cavity did reach a point where the smell would get stronger but still wouldn't off gas.

Conclusion - None of the smells from our tests produce results with any electronic, non organic, or toxic off gasses. While there is a smell, there is no off-gassing that is being exhibited and the additional smells have been isolated to hand oils and resin buildup that can occur if vapor escapes out of the bottom intake and seeps back into the cavity. We will change our process to minimize hand oils and figure out a way to better seal the lower intake in the bamboo to reduce the ability of vapor seeping back in the cavity. Their recommendation is that it is safe to use the EVO inverted even for longer periods of time (you will smell something) but to minimize any smell, just invert as needed and return to the upright position when finished. I hope this clears up any questions that people may have about the smell (or lack thereof) of their EVO.

 

[turk]

...probably not...my theory is the more people are involved....inevitably somebody is going to articulate a problem...just human beings being "real".....that said I believe everybody here appreciates the diligence, concern, and effort stonemonkey and his team devotes to us at this site...

 

[gosaints420]

 

[Hexi]

Hand oils? Jack-shack type deal?

I tested my evo again last night, it got super hot, had it warmed up for at least 20 minutes multiple times, continuously on for hours and inverted every ELB use and kept inverted for the entire session.

My biggest concern is the GONG, so the insert into bubbler/remove from bubbler ..I like to keep that to a minimum.

I mixed up some O2 Extract, bubble hash 70m, a BHO glass, and a CO2 wax. While walls all night, the bubble hash vapes the quickest and has the most front loaded hits. The BHO glass also vaped early. The 2 waxes had a more even extract without the super-white walled front loaded hits.

But with all of them, on highest heat setting... no combustion, and full extraction in under 5-10 minutes or essentially as fast as I could inhale, and prep my lungs for another deep pull.

I Sniffed the Bottom (the name of my next Death-Disco-Folk-Emo band) and got nothing but a faint whiff of my air jordan flip flops that need some washing.

 

[darkrom]

I just hit the evo without inverting it using a hydratube for the first time ever. Happily I can report no smell even when I lift it off the desk and smell the bottom. It does seem to be 100% related to inverting it in my case. Now as for the hydratube....HOLY SHIT. I got surprisingly strong effects from the same amount I always use, which I'm blaming on new delivery method. I will say it was more enjoyable than hitting the cloud inverted. With the ticker I GREATLY preferred it inverted, but with the evo in my very short experience, the hydratube improves the experience...somehow. I'll be waiting and watching the smell issue, but far less anxiously now that I can confirm it doesn't seem to exist while right side up.

 

[ViCKi LEEKX]

My biggest concern is the GONG, so the insert into bubbler/remove from bubbler ..I like to keep that to a minimum.

Vapexhale used to sell an 18mm GonG adapter they called the "Cloud Buddy" to address this issue, but I can't find it on their website any more.

Here's the same thing from PV though:
http://www.planetvape.ca/megashot-glass-double-bowl-offset-adapter.html

 

[ForeverRedBeard]

Vapexhale used to sell an 18mm GonG adapter they called the "Cloud Buddy" to address this issue, but I can't find it on their website any more.

Here's the same thing from PV though:
http://www.planetvape.ca/megashot-glass-double-bowl-offset-adapter.html

which is funny because when you click on shop the picture for accessories is the "cloud buddy"

 

[tranceporter]

I just hit the evo without inverting it using a hydratube for the first time ever. Happily I can report no smell even when I lift it off the desk and smell the bottom. It does seem to be 100% related to inverting it in my case. Now as for the hydratube....HOLY SHIT. I got surprisingly strong effects from the same amount I always use, which I'm blaming on new delivery method. I will say it was more enjoyable than hitting the cloud inverted. With the ticker I GREATLY preferred it inverted, but with the evo in my very short experience, the hydratube improves the experience...somehow. I'll be waiting and watching the smell issue, but far less anxiously now that I can confirm it doesn't seem to exist while right side up.

I have been using my HT more lately due to the smell. At one point I was ready to sell it but It's a nice change from my two other pieces which are both very high diffusion. I have been running into some quality flowers as of late, and the flavor is much more pronounced with my HT.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Vapexhale used to sell an 18mm GonG adapter they called the "Cloud Buddy" to address this issue, but I can't find it on their website any more.

Here's the same thing from PV though:
http://www.planetvape.ca/megashot-glass-double-bowl-offset-adapter.html

We will be getting more in stock shortly. We broke all of our glass stoppers and the stopper is what put the "buddy" in CloudBuddy!

 

[t-dub]

Update on the concentrate attachment. The beta test group is having a lot of fun testing it and the way is clear for some experiences to be shared. Personally, I have the attachment but no testing material right now. Other testers are rockin this thing and I would expect to see some thoughts from them possibly coming this way soon.

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

We will be getting more in stock shortly. We broke all of our glass stoppers and the stopper is what put the "buddy" in CloudBuddy!

Ive never used concentrates and honestly have no plans to, but being that I like to be prepared for all occasions just wondering how much the attachment will retail for?

 

[ViCKi LEEKX]

We will be getting more in stock shortly. We broke all of our glass stoppers and the stopper is what put the "buddy" in CloudBuddy!

Bwahaha - now I'm wondering if my coordination issues are a result of my extensive Cloud / Evo "research".

ETA: Y'all are making me want to pull my HT out of the fridge. My Evo has never met a HT actually, and my Cloud has spent 99% of its life atop a Cloud Buddy/Mobius Matrix Clear bubbler.

FWIW, I noticed the "hot electronics" smell from my Evo when I first got it. It also wasn't getting hot, and wasn't powering on predictably. VX graciously offered to have me send it back for recalibration, but I found from testing that the power cord wasn't fitting into the body "right", so I swapped it out with a spare I had lying around the house. Since that, zero problems. I've left my VX ticket open a few days in case the gremlins returned, but it's been quite solid since then so I plan on closing it soon.

It can't reach the temps of my OG Cloud (which can combust when not set to max), but when I'm vaping I don't want to do that anyway. At this point, I can achieve the same usable range as my OG Cloud, though at a different point on the dial (still not maxed out), the "hot electronics" smell has disappeared, and I have swapped back to using my Evo over my OG Cloud. Though the enclosure of the Evo gets hotter while inverted (as I said, how I use it all the time), I have a Cloud Buddy and the lighter weight of the Evo is appreciated in context.

 

[Fame Is A Vapor]

Update on the concentrate attachment. The beta test group is having a lot of fun testing it and the way is clear for some experiences to be shared. Personally, I have the attachment but no testing material right now. Other testers are rockin this thing and I would expect to see some thoughts from them possibly coming this way soon.

I'd love to post a picture of this thing for everyone but, as it's not yet a finalized product, we've been asked to hold off on that just yet...so instead, using only the power of words, I will describe it, best as I can:

Short version: I'm sold! One is not enough. I want at least 3 of these puppies. Make it a super sweet deal. I think this is in our future. Maybe not a super sweet deal, but hopefully a sweet deal. Fuck, just take my money already. Whatever price. I want more!

Long version: So I get this package from my favorite person in the world. He works at VapeXhale. Call him Mr. X. I see this package from Mr. X in my mailbox and I wet my pants. So obviously, it's time to go inside and get a fresh change of shorts.

Now, once I'm clean and dry, I sit down with this still unopened package. It's so light. Is it empty? I open it up, and there IT is. Oh, yeah. But I got no material to run through it. Oh, no! Just flowers. Crap! Dispensaries are all sold out (the fucking weekend). Shit! Can't get nothing till Tuesday. FML!!! Let the wait (runaround) begin. [it didn't take long, thank god, just 3 days]

My initial thoughts:

So simple in design (it seems). Will it really work? It looks like a test tube, or a giant hollow nail, with slits cut into the bottom, in a couple different sizes & places. Well, when I finally got my shatter delivered, there was no point thinking about it too much more: SM gave us some instructions, imma gonna get to it!

The basic steps (my experience as refined by SM and others over the last few days): start by putting a smallish dab into the 'loading chamber', let it soften up by briefly setting the 'nail' into the EVOs bamboo (just 1-2 secs each time, it has a convenient lip with a short stem on top that stays cool enough to let you pull it back out by hand, and it keeps the nail from dropping onto the final restriction inside the bamboo)

Next, once your concentrate is liquid, drop in the nail, and then your HT of choice, and start inhaling. When done inhaling, pull the nail out so the remaining liquid doesn't combust. The nail retains heat very well. When ready, drop the nail back in for another hit. I've been getting 3-5 awesome rips off of my dabs. One of our other beta testers approximates his dab sizes at 1/3 the size of a BB. I'd say mine is about the same. After 3-5 rips, the vapor tapers off big time, and there is just a tiny amount of dark liquid in the bottom of the nail. I now just let that last bit evaporate and combust on it's own, as it always tastes terrible (like awful chemicals and burning resin, so I just let it go).

What are the effects? The first day I combusted both times. The resulting combustion headache lasted most of the following day. I do not miss combustion! But I was completely blasted, it'd been a long day, and I crashed, sleeping quite well. After a long next day at the hospital (ill family member), I finally had a chance to try some of the improvements other beta testers were experimenting with, foremost among them was backing off MAX temps to avoid combustion. That night I had two sessions with the refined method, and experienced no combustion except when I wanted to let the nail clean itself inside the EVO. The resulting high was revelational! Such a clean feeling, the hours flew by. I thought it must be nearing 2am, looked out the window and saw dawn breaking, and I was still full of energy. YMMV (I use Sativa-rich shatter only). I'm excited to get a couple more of these things: loading dabs into a real warm nail is a bit problematic still, and unless you have a fan trained on it, it might take a few minutes (or 2x that!) to cool to the touch. I think three or four would be the perfect number to have in rotation...

Extra bonus: I've had no real issue with making a mess. However, a mess can be made if you load too large a dab, or try loading that large dab into a hot/warm nail. In my experience, things are easily kept clean and manageable when the dab is loaded while the nail and shatter are both cool to the touch.

My conclusion: Like the EVO, this new nail is a game changer. All glass. All class.

Can't wait for this product to be finalized for everyone else. You and your friends are gonna love it!

P.S. Will someone please get my man @t-dub some shatter, or some otherwise comparable concentrate, already? Poor guy is getting the runaround worse than I got it...

 

[t-dub]

I'd love to post a picture of this thing for everyone but, as it's not yet a finalized product, we've been asked to hold off on that just yet...so instead, using only the power of words, I will describe it, best as I can:

Short version: I'm sold. One is not enough. I want at least 3 of these puppies. Make it a super sweet deal. I think this is in our future. Maybe not a super sweet deal, but hopefully I sweet deal. Fuck, just take my money already. Whatever price. I want more!

Long version: So I get this package from my favorite person in the world. He works at VapeXhale. Call him Mr. X. I see this package from Mr. X in my mailbox and I wet my pants. So obviously, it's time to go inside and get fresh a change of shorts.

Now, once I'm clean and dry, I sit down with this still unopened package. It's so light. Is it empty? I open it up, and there IT is. Oh yeah. But I got no material to run through it. Just flowers. Dispensaries are all sold out (the fucking weekend!). Can't get nothing till Tuesday. Let the wait begin.

My initial thoughts:

So simple in design (it seems!) Will it really work? It looks like a test tube, or a giant hollow nail, with slits cut into the bottom, in a couple different sizes & places. Well, when I finally got my shatter delivered, there was no point thinking about it too much more: SM gave us some instructions, imma gonna get to it!

The basic steps (my experience as refined by SM and others over the last few days): start by putting a smallish dab into the 'loading chamber', let it soften up by briefly setting the 'nail' into the EVOs bamboo (just 1-2 secs each time, it has a convenient lip with a short stem on top that stays cool enough to let you pull it back out by hand, and it keeps the nail from dropping onto the final restriction inside the bamboo)

Next, once your concentrate is liquid, drop in the nail, and then your HT of choice, and start inhaling. When done inhaling, pull the nail out so the remaining liquid doesn't combust. The nail retains heat very well. When ready, drop the nail back in for another hit. I've been getting 3-5 awesome rips off of my dabs. One of our other beta testers approximates his dab sizes at 1/3 the size of a BB. I'd say mine is about the same. After 3-5 rips, the vapor tapers off big time, and there is just a tiny amount of dark liquid in the bottom of the nail. I now just let that last bit evaporate and combust on it's own, as it always tastes terrible (like awful chemicals and burning resin) so I just let it go.

What are the effects? The first day I combusted both times. The resulting combustion headache lasted most of the following day. I do not miss combustion! After a long day at the hospital (ill family member), I finally had a chance to try some of the improvements other beta testers were experimenting with. That night I had two sessions with the refined method, and experienced no combustion except when I wanted to let the nail clean itself inside the EVO. The resulting high was revelational! Such a clean feeling, the hours flew by. I thought it must be nearing 2am, looked out the window and saw dawn breaking, and I was still full of energy. YMMV (I use Sativa-rich shatter only). I'm excited to get a couple more of these things, loading dabs into a real warm nail is a bit problematic still, and unless you have a fan trained on it, it might take a few minutes (or 2x that!) to cool to the touch. I think three or four would be the perfect number to have in rotation...

Extra bonus: I've had no real issue with making a mess. However, a mess can be made if you load too large a dab, or try loading that large dab into a hot/warm nail. In my experience, things are easily kept clean and manageable when the dab is loaded while the nail and shatter are both cool to the touch.

My conclusion: Like the EVO, this new nail is a game changer. All glass. All class.

Can't wait for this product to be finalized for everyone else. You and your friends are gonna love it!

P.S. Will someone please get my man @t-dub some shatter already?

@Fame Is A Vapor - awesome summary of progress so far. I'm probably going to have to make some QWET, off to the liquor store tomorrow . . .

 

[Roth]

Thank you very much for the write up @Fame Is A Vapor ! I am beyond excited to get this concentrate tool into my arsenal. I LOVE the fact that it's all glass. Can't wait to see it in action

 

[John Lewus]

Well bad news has hit me again My repaired EVO that I just recently got back started producing massive harsh hits at noon last night. I just put my finger over the bottom of the bamboo to make a seal and blew out and there is some kind of crack again inside my bamboo. I can't see anything in there so it must be tiny but now I am going to be cloudless again until I get it repaired.

On a positive note (I guess) my HydraFoot 2.0 stand should be here today. *sigh* :/

 

[turk]

.....fucking killing me faith...great review....geeze, haven't been on vapexhale site in awhile...all kinds of goodies .

 

[stonemonkey55]

TGIF, short video of us demoing our attachment at the Green Door in SF with @champagne_dabs