Underdog Log Vapes

arb

Semi shaved ape
Chaos as the mail lady delivers to the wrong box and I had to chase her down in town and coerce her back to put it in the correct box.........nice.
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First off Mrs.arb ganked that Bloodwood unit so no go there @invertedisdead.......working flawlessly at 10.7 for her.
The Madrone is running perfect for me at 10.5.
Both units are stunning to look at with Daves usual level of fit and finish.
Thanks again for these two @underdog and @underdogette not sure why they didn't fit with the first owners but damn sure home now.
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sanfordyeti

Well-Known Member
Chaos as the mail lady delivers to the wrong box and I had to chase her down in town and coerce her back to put it in the correct box.........nice.
😝
First off Mrs.arb ganked that Bloodwood unit so no go there @invertedisdead.......working flawlessly at 10.7 for her.
The Madrone is running perfect for me at 10.5.
Both units are stunning to look at with Daves usual level of fit and finish.
Thanks again for these two @underdog and @underdogette not sure why they didn't fit with the first owners but damn sure home now.
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Just to be frank, Arb, the Madrone unit didn’t fit with me because it was advertised by many people (you included) to be comparable to a Flowerpot. I couldn’t get extraction equivalent to any of the other artisan companies I consider high tier in this industry (Lamart, Ed’s TnT for example). I’ve since replaced it with an actual Flowerpot. Glad it found a home, I know it has 30 other pack mates to play with!
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
Just to be frank, Arb, the Madrone unit didn’t fit with me because it was advertised by many people (you included) to be comparable to a Flowerpot. I couldn’t get extraction equivalent to any of the other artisan companies I consider high tier in this industry (Lamart, Ed’s TnT for example). I’ve since replaced it with an actual Flowerpot. Glad it found a home, I know it has 30 other pack mates to play with!
Glad you did not like it and my weedeater sits unused on the shelf so.......apples and oranges I suppose.
 

CurryLeafTreehugger

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@arb - I'm glad the Madrone Burl found a good home. Either I didn't see it or it was already gone, but had it been available when I bought my Alpha, it would have been a hard choice between the Madrone Burl and the Big Leaf Vaple (also burl) that I actually got.

Mine runs at 10.6/10.7 on my Tekpower, I forget what it was running at on the Underdog VVPS. Close to that, I think.

I've been spending all my time with the Alpha dog, my poor SC3+ has barely been fired up. I'm not sure I can use my glass one-hitter with the SC3+, haven't tried it yet - I may need another piece of silicone tubing to make the air lock/core gasket or whatever you would call that thingy I've been using on my one-hitter to get better air draw just through the core. I need another piece of 3/8" tubing, the only spare piece I have is a bit short to try to use as a core gasket. I mean I CAN, but a longer piece would be better.

See, you really DO only need one Underdog, LOL! Well as long as you are only a one person household at least.

Having more than that is all about the beauty of the wood.

She's plugged in now, we'll be doing some dedicated testing a bit later this evening LOL!
 

Enialis

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I'm not seeing any tekpower vvps on Amazon just bench power supplies but none that I can find with a 2.5mm jack. I see plenty of nearly identical vvps to the one included with my underdog that have a wider range of voltages but none of them really stand out.

Is there any particular one thats higher quality than the included one or am I just looking for one with a bigger range of voltages thats basically equal quality. Just want to make sure I know whether this is an upgrade or a side grade situation.


Those are the ones I'm looking at, and all of the ones listed at the bottom of the page like it. The one I linked is only 1.5 amps though, but some of the others are 3 of higher. How many amps is the stock vvps @underdog?

@CurryLeafTreehugger Are you using a bench power supply or one of the in-line vvps similar to the stock one?

I would rather not use a bench supply if possible as that would make 2 on my workbench so I would prefer one of the inline vvps if I can find a quality one. ( my bench supply doesn't have a dc out and I would be wanting to vape and work on electronics at the same time.)
 
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SquirrelMaster

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Just to be frank, Arb, the Madrone unit didn’t fit with me because it was advertised by many people (you included) to be comparable to a Flowerpot. I couldn’t get extraction equivalent to any of the other artisan companies I consider high tier in this industry (Lamart, Ed’s TnT for example). I’ve since replaced it with an actual Flowerpot. Glad it found a home, I know it has 30 other pack mates to play with!
I don't own a Flowerpot (yet?) but I can say with utmost certainty after owning my Alpha for a little bit that if someone is looking for a "heavy hitter" and chooses an Alpha over a Flowerpot with the expectations that the Alpha can keep up to a Flowerpot with HEAVY use and/or multiple users there's a good chance they will be disappointed. I love my Alpha, it's a great vape, but I pulled out my PID contolled Elev8r on the weekend and there's no way it can keep up. For the majority of pot heads the Alpha will be more then they ever need as it is very efficient but I would never use it in a group session unless the hits were really spaced out, say leaving it on with some stems and a pile to load from and casually going back to it. It would be perfect in that scenario. But a sit down, get really stoned, really fast session would be much better on a device with a larger stored energy capacity and/or a shorter recovery time. My Alpha starts at 11.6V+ and then settles at 11V~ after a couple hours and when I've tried dropping the voltage I burn through the stored heat energy too quickly. The outside top of my dog will reach 50°/122° in the hottest spots (above core) when she's really heat soaked but then cools a fair bit after a session. I can't go any cooler or I won't be able to medicate adequately at least not in the time frame I need to. My tolerance at the moment is probably higher than most.

I'm surprised you would consider a Woodscents to be superior for extraction and I only say that because the bowl size is so small. Even the P80 (my favorite session portable) I would not consider a heavy hitter. In my collection the desktop hard hitters are the VapBong, electric ball filled Elev8r, SSV43 (needs balls to take it to the next level ) and Volcano Hybrid (bags take a bit to pump, only drawback). Yeah my other devices can get me really stoned but the quickest and easiest extraction goes to these.
 

CurryLeafTreehugger

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@Enialis

I have the Tekpower TP1502 1.5v-15v 2a power supply. It is used for tattoo machine thingies, except when we use it for powering our Underdogs. That one says HY, but it looks exactly like mine and I think that's about what I paid for it ($35). I don't know what the difference between TP and HY is, couldn't even find it on the manufacturer's website. There is another on Amazon that says TP1502 but it has fire painted on it. Bright yellow with red flames. Don't need that on my coffee table LOL! Plus you pay a premium price for those flames ($50).

Underdog pointed me at the proper cord for it, I don't remember where I got it but it had banana clips for plugging into the VVPS and the right connector on the other end for the vape.

I keep it on my coffee table 24/7, with my Dog Pen sitting on top of it. Currently I am keeping my Alpha plugged into that, and I have my SC3+ plugged into one of the UD VVPS. Both of these devices are a little fiddly getting them set, though I have found that the Tekpower pretty much stays where you set it but the UD VVPS takes a few minutes to settle. So I turn it on, turn it up, and then adjust. I turn it off when not using it so as to save the wood on the SC3+. It's a twig type vape (wood is thinner) and it is so beautiful, I just want it to last forever LOL! Or at least longer than me.

Is the suspected "bad circuit" your whole house? You said something about having to take it to a relative's house to check out the VVPS. I wonder if you could plug it in to a UPS (if you have one) to condition the line a bit? That would be a battery backup UPS. It only draws 2a max, I THINK that would be OK, Underdog would probably know for sure. It would need to be a battery backup as you want to condition the line, not just stop power surges. Unless your power is REALLY REALLY bad, a battery backup should handle the line drops and brownouts. Assuming you have grounded outlets.

I read where you are turning the VVPS up to over 12v, I promise you, no UD ever NEEDS to go that high, but if you aren't getting reliable power out of the wall, that could be reducing the efficiency of your VVPS.

Don't get mad at me, I'm not trying to be "condescending" or anything and I don't know if I've already said this to you before, if I have I have forgotten so forbear please.

I really don't get why some of the folks couldn't get these to work for them, but there has to be some difference in expectations that is going by the wayside. I think at least one issue (in addition to UDs observations) is as @SquirrelMaster said above, GROUP SESSIONS. I don't know who would think a log vape is ever the right tool for group sessions, it is patently not, so if that is what some of those folks were looking for then yes, they were BOUND to be disappointed.

Although - that makes me wonder - is there method to @tom battleboar 's madness? Perhaps he has 17 vaccinated friends who are coming over for a group session? LOL! (JK, I thought he was joking about how many he bought until he posted that picture of his pack)

Personally I'm using even less herb than I used to, since I created Frankenstem the glass one-hitter. And I wasn't using that much before. Yet I am vaping more frequently. Because each load is freaking TINY LOL! If I wanted to, I could load up the alpha glass direct draw stem with the fine screen and my finely ground "shake" and probably kill myself (more or less), but I prefer something slightly less volcanic LOL! But this way I never overshoot and only medicate when I feel like it, and I only "slip over" into stoned-ness when I actually intend to.
 

arb

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I don't own a Flowerpot (yet?) but I can say with utmost certainty after owning my Alpha for a little bit that if someone is looking for a "heavy hitter" and chooses an Alpha over a Flowerpot with the expectations that the Alpha can keep up to a Flowerpot with HEAVY use and/or multiple users there's a good chance they will be disappointed. I love my Alpha, it's a great vape, but I pulled out my PID contolled Elev8r on the weekend and there's no way it can keep up. For the majority of pot heads the Alpha will be more then they ever need as it is very efficient but I would never use it in a group session unless the hits were really spaced out, say leaving it on with some stems and a pile to load from and casually going back to it. It would be perfect in that scenario. But a sit down, get really stoned, really fast session would be much better on a device with a larger stored energy capacity and/or a shorter recovery time. My Alpha starts at 11.6V+ and then settles at 11V~ after a couple hours and when I've tried dropping the voltage I burn through the stored heat energy too quickly. The outside top of my dog will
I'm surprised you would consider a Woodscents to be superior for extraction and I only say that because the bowl size is so small. Even the P80 (my favorite session portable) I would not consider a heavy hitter. In my collection the desktop hard hitters are the VapBong, electric ball filled Elev8r, SSV43 (needs balls to take it to the next level ) and Volcano Hybrid (bags take a bit to pump, only drawback). Yeah my other devices can get me really stoned but the quickest and easiest extraction go
So your saying you can overwhelm the neater on the Alpha but not a e43?
I can barely get enough heat calories out of mine for one full hit at 600 and scorch at 625.
About the same with a weedeater........ I wonder what I am getting wrong here?
 

CurryLeafTreehugger

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Yo just found the flower tube pot thingy in a box.
Lol wtf is this.

Man this is so trippy looks like a ghetto bubbler. Man hope this is the attachment for excessive Aroma Dog Log that ppl talking about.

That is the Alpha glass direct draw stem. As far as I know, that is the largest bowl of any of the stems. I would guess you could get a larger "bowl" if you run it through a bong, but as far as just using it with the stem, I think that's the biggest.

It is also the main reason I went to an Alpha. I thought I needed a bigger bowl, but it turned out I needed a much SMALLER bowl. I guess I'm weird, LOL!
 
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SquirrelMaster

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So your saying you can overwhelm the neater on the Alpha but not a e43?
I can barely get enough heat calories out of mine for one full hit at 600 and scorch at 625.
About the same with a weedeater........ I wonder what I am getting wrong here?
Now that does not sound right. Everything I've heard about the Flowerpot is that it hits hard. I wish I could help but my E43 is a different beast I think. Maybe a brother from another mother. I can overwhelm the heater if I try but once it's heated soaked it hits me so hard I forget what I'm doing before that happens.

I have my Auber 300B set at 335°/635°F which takes about 5 minutes to warm up. The longer it preheats the more of a power house it becomes (to a point obviously) as the boro beads heat soak. I've been packing about a 0.3g and I'm able to extract at a much faster rate then the Alpha because with the Alpha when I really pack the glass stem/wpa it has more of a tendency to hotspot so more stirring, plus I need to take slower draws with more downtime between hits. I like to pack about a 0.15g bowl max with Alpha, the whole less is more definitively applies to a point but faster extraction like on the SSV43 and VapBong absolutely wreck me (which I need sometimes) as evidenced by my rambling.
 

tom battleboar

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It rips beyond all, full extraction, amazing taste, duration, extended sessions.
Small bowl, load, extreme flavorful, bamboo on 12.1 double screen, less than 1.0 g units of awesomeness. Hi I really think the sc3+ is good for work breaks & such. Quick temperature ramp up, extreme quick Aromatherapy. Good for vaping lavender tea's n such. Or hemps. Ty again @underdog & @underdogette. Lol I use high voltage because my wall outlet is overloaded to the max. I can put my finger on 10.8 to 11.5 volts on the alpha. I can just squeeze it until it gets hot. I am an nurse of 11 year's I was covid-19 positive twice and second time signs and symptoms. I used to work 120 to 163 hours covid-19 unit. The angels from Paradise California told me it's okay to enjoy life. I used to be married as well to an abusive toxic alcoholic family. As well I have ptsd n other junk just cold turkey e cigarettes and anti nicotine patches. I am doing well just not now been very ill with cervical radiculopathy headaches and major radiation of pain from behind my head dow my right shoulders n right arm. It took me 3 hours total to cook dinner and wash everything. I am doing my best, and I am not addicted to cannabis because I just got some hemp cbd flowers or whatever grass stuff to help my life out. Oh yeas i just cold turkey off nerve pain medications stupid nausea and headaches dry mouth. No relief from big phrama or even doctors. They all suck compared too Underdog Aromatherapy Logs. He has helped quickly efficiently and effectively with pain management medication dosage extraction. He has helped my third 👁 he is going to help me forever as the angels will help whoever is in need of helping. I am not tripping about anything they purchased 18 I think or 17. I see angels daily and talk to them and I saw 10 ppl risse above from covid-19 in 2 weeks time b4. We all need to help each other if not we will not survive as humans together in unison. Free yourself. We saw them work on these logs we saw them go and harvest wood we was there watching when the fire was ablaze we was watching closely daily. The angels did this
 

arb

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Now that does not sound right. Everything I've heard about the Flowerpot is that it hits hard. I wish I could help but my E43 is a different beast I think. Maybe a brother from another mother. I can overwhelm the heater if I try but once it's heated soaked it hits me so hard I forget what I'm doing before that happens.

I have my Auber 300B set at 335°/635°F which takes about 5 minutes to warm up. The longer it preheats the more of a power house it becomes (to a point obviously) as the boro beads heat soak. I've been packing about a 0.3g and I'm able to extract at a much faster rate then the Alpha because with the Alpha when I really pack the glass stem/wpa it has more of a tendency to hotspot so more stirring, plus I need to take slower draws with more downtime between hits. I like to pack about a 0.15g bowl max with Alpha, the whole less is more definitively applies to a point but faster extraction like on the SSV43 and VapBong absolutely wreck me (which I need sometimes) as evidenced by my rambling.
I am gonna try at mine some more,thanks for the heads up.
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BrianTL

Westchester, NY
You can send one to me as a zero-experience alpha user and see if I can't get it to run right :lol:

I usually charge for my 3rd party review services but I would be willing to do this pro-bono

Hmmm... you have an SC3 that's working well for you though right so that's a good point of comparison at least.

I'll meet you in the middle and pay outgoing shipping if you pay the return but you'll have to work for free like all the suckers on Team Underdog. lol

As Dave is a man of his word...one of those returned Alphas showed up at my doorstep on Monday. Played around with it a little Monday and yesterday (Tuesday) with the direct draws...started with the SS lite as that is probably my favorite for the SC3 so I wanted to start with what was familiar. The glass direct draw, and the nylon direct draw have also gotten use. Going to get around to running it thru water this weekend and see how that goes - I have a feeling that is where the Alpha will really shine.

Anyway I DID take some pics and notes on each stem/session (as well as the AVB) I've done so far which I plan on continuing until I'm satisfied I've tried it every which way and have it figured out as best as possible... however 6 stems in, I'm loving it compared to the SC3. If anybody is interested once I see how it does through water I can do a write up. I have no complaints at this time & seems to be working as intended
 

CurryLeafTreehugger

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It rips beyond all, full extraction, amazing taste, duration, extended sessions.

Small bowl, load, extreme flavorful, bamboo on 12.1 double screen, less than 1.0 g units of awesomeness. Hi I really think the sc3+ is good for work breaks & such. Quick temperature ramp up, extreme quick Aromatherapy. Good for vaping lavender tea's n such. Or hemps. Ty again @underdog & @underdogette. Lol I use high voltage because my wall outlet is overloaded to the max. I can put my finger on 10.8 to 11.5 volts on the alpha. I can just squeeze it until it gets hot. I am an nurse of 11 year's I was covid-19 positive twice and second time signs and symptoms. I used to work 120 to 163 hours covid-19 unit. The angels from Paradise California told me it's okay to enjoy life. I used to be married as well to an abusive toxic alcoholic family. As well I have ptsd n other junk just cold turkey e cigarettes and anti nicotine patches. I am doing well just not now been very ill with cervical radiculopathy headaches and major radiation of pain from behind my head dow my right shoulders n right arm. It took me 3 hours total to cook dinner and wash everything. I am doing my best, and I am not addicted to cannabis because I just got some hemp cbd flowers or whatever grass stuff to help my life out. Oh yeas i just cold turkey off nerve pain medications stupid nausea and headaches dry mouth. No relief from big phrama or even doctors. They all suck compared too Underdog Aromatherapy Logs. He has helped quickly efficiently and effectively with pain management medication dosage extraction. He has helped my third 👁 he is going to help me forever as the angels will help whoever is in need of helping. I am not tripping about anything they purchased 18 I think or 17. I see angels daily and talk to them and I saw 10 ppl risse above from covid-19 in 2 weeks time b4. We all need to help each other if not we will not survive as humans together in unison. Free yourself. We saw them work on these logs we saw them go and harvest wood we was there watching when the fire was ablaze we was watching closely daily. The angels did this

I'm with you on the health front. I can't take any pain meds or anything like valium etc, they all make me sick as a dog. Basically pain meds, if I can take anything even approaching an effective dosage, knock me totally out, and when I finally DO wake up, I have headaches, nausea, I'm groggy the rest of the day and just feel awful. At least I'm not at risk for addiction, LOL!

Please don't be offended by this suggestion, but are you seeking counseling for the PTSD? I've suffered from PTSD for most of my life. I'm also a trained clinician. I can testify to the benefits of finding someone to help you past the PTSD.

I was doing pretty well, all things considered, until I came down with Covid last year. I've been dealing with long-haul covid ever since, which is basically the same stuff as before on steroids. EG brain fog, severe fatigue, hair falling out in clumps. I was hoping with reports of long-haul covid among so many medical professionals, maybe folks like me (who have suffered the same symptoms without relief for decades as is described in long-haul covid) would finally get a little consideration from medical personnel who typically tell me my diagnosis is one of "exclusion" (code for you are making it all up). EG, fibromyalgia, basically a catch-all for there-is-something-wrong-with-you-but-we-cant-find-out-what-it-is-so-we-slap-this-label-on-you-as-shorthand-for-you're-a-headcase.

But no. Their pain is real. The rest of us? Still headcases. *sigh*
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
I'm with you on the health front. I can't take any pain meds or anything like valium etc, they all make me sick as a dog. Basically pain meds, if I can take anything even approaching an effective dosage, knock me totally out, and when I finally DO wake up, I have headaches, nausea, I'm groggy the rest of the day and just feel awful. At least I'm not at risk for addiction, LOL!

Please don't be offended by this suggestion, but are you seeking counseling for the PTSD? I've suffered from PTSD for most of my life. I'm also a trained clinician. I can testify to the benefits of finding someone to help you past the PTSD.

I was doing pretty well, all things considered, until I came down with Covid last year. I've been dealing with long-haul covid ever since, which is basically the same stuff as before on steroids. EG brain fog, severe fatigue, hair falling out in clumps. I was hoping with reports of long-haul covid among so many medical professionals, maybe folks like me (who have suffered the same symptoms without relief for decades as is described in long-haul covid) would finally get a little consideration from medical personnel who typically tell me my diagnosis is one of "exclusion" (code for you are making it all up). EG, fibromyalgia, basically a catch-all for there-is-something-wrong-with-you-but-we-cant-find-out-what-it-is-so-we-slap-this-label-on-you-as-shorthand-for-you're-a-headcase.

But no. Their pain is real. The rest of us? Still headcases. *sigh*
My personal fave is your a addict if you use cannabis.......remember those people work for you.
I don't hesitate to bark if I get any of that shit,I refuse to be labeled a addict over cannabises.
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sanfordyeti

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I don't own a Flowerpot (yet?) but I can say with utmost certainty after owning my Alpha for a little bit that if someone is looking for a "heavy hitter" and chooses an Alpha over a Flowerpot with the expectations that the Alpha can keep up to a Flowerpot with HEAVY use and/or multiple users there's a good chance they will be disappointed. I love my Alpha, it's a great vape, but I pulled out my PID contolled Elev8r on the weekend and there's no way it can keep up. For the majority of pot heads the Alpha will be more then they ever need as it is very efficient but I would never use it in a group session unless the hits were really spaced out, say leaving it on with some stems and a pile to load from and casually going back to it. It would be perfect in that scenario. But a sit down, get really stoned, really fast session would be much better on a device with a larger stored energy capacity and/or a shorter recovery time. My Alpha starts at 11.6V+ and then settles at 11V~ after a couple hours and when I've tried dropping the voltage I burn through the stored heat energy too quickly. The outside top of my dog will reach 50°/122° in the hottest spots (above core) when she's really heat soaked but then cools a fair bit after a session. I can't go any cooler or I won't be able to medicate adequately at least not in the time frame I need to. My tolerance at the moment is probably higher than most.

I'm surprised you would consider a Woodscents to be superior for extraction and I only say that because the bowl size is so small. Even the P80 (my favorite session portable) I would not consider a heavy hitter. In my collection the desktop hard hitters are the VapBong, electric ball filled Elev8r, SSV43 (needs balls to take it to the next level ) and Volcano Hybrid (bags take a bit to pump, only drawback). Yeah my other devices can get me really stoned but the quickest and easiest extraction goes to these.
When I say the Alphadog does not compete in terms of extraction with the artisan companies I frequent, I am speaking more about the unit’s capability to vaporize herb and not how much material is packed at once. I could pack more into my Alpha than my Woodscents of course, but the Woodscents would fully and equally darken my herb where as on the Alpha half the load was always bright green after the load stopped producing vapor. Also, have you used any other near $400 devices that you can pull all the heat out of in just a few rips? I personally have not, and was sad to learn what I had just bought had that limitation. I let my unit heat soak all night and could still suck it back to cold a bowl into my morning session.



I had a small bit of hope once my unit was received back at UD headquarters they would say something like the VVPS was faulty, but it seems everything worked exactly as designed, as both Dave and Arb give that unit a thumbs up. For a log that is marketed mainly for its “power”, I failed to see where that power was over any options I’ve tried in the past.
 

CurryLeafTreehugger

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My personal fave is your a addict if you use cannabis.......remember those people work for you.
I don't hesitate to bark if I get any of that shit,I refuse to be labeled a addict over cannabises.
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Yeah, I rarely disclose that. Until a recent trip to the ER, I could have said NEVER but I let it slip while in distress, what can I say.

I particularly dislike the way they ask, which has to be scripted because it is ALWAYS the same - "do you use any street drugs including marijuana?"

I ALWAYS answer that no (well except for the once) because I am in a fully legal state, rec and med, so NO MARIJUANA IS NOT A FREAKING STREET DRUG! Bite me! LOL!

I've been working with my Hawaiian Koa SC3+. I have it up to 10.3. When I first fired it up, I was afraid to poke it up past 9.6. (yeah these are voltages so they're only relative to my devices, but these are the operating ranges on the VVPS I have)

Because the dog body felt so HOT when I had it up higher. But it wasn't actually vaping properly at lower voltages that felt more comfortable (heat-shedding-wise) in my hand. So I just kept notching it up until I finally hit the lower edge of the effects zone. I may tweak it a bit more but it is now in the same operating range as my Alpha (10.6/10.7)

I guess because its more of a twig style (non-Alpha) with a thinner wall, the wood feels hotter faster. Also there is a much larger air gap in an Alpha so less heat is transferred to the wood body. But since this is my backup vape and occasional vape (and highly decorative beautiful vape) it'll be off most of the time so I worry less about preserving the wood in good shape. So now I just try to remember to hold that vape lower down where the wood doesn't heat up. Which is a little weird because I can handle hotter stuff barehanded than any human being I've ever known, so I wouldn't think any wooden vape body at normal vaping temps would EVER feel too hot to me, but maybe that's a talent I've lost in old age LOL!

So. Underdogs. I'm curious what stems people have used and what their experience with them was/is. I've been going to town here with just a handful of bits and bobs, recombining stem parts in Ways Man Was Not Meant To Know Wot Of, and I've been surprised at the huge variance in performance. Just wondering where other UD users out there are with that.
 

tom battleboar

Active Member
Hi I am doing much better than before. I was in group therapy for past 2 weeks or so. And Monday my gramps passed away but ppl get old 😪 I remember taking care of ppl from 100 to 118 years old. You know that I went cold turkey nicotine because of the stupid commercials about toxic metals and how doctors said I was a addicted to cannabis and nicotine but when I said your using simulates caffeine or sugar or even junk foods. They thought that I am mental enough to go to cbt for a year. But it's like I got both associates degrees nursing degree nurse of 11 years 35k in stock options loving life to the fullest better than b4 with help of angels doesn't matter what works for me is way better than big phrama or being a patient for life, profit over patient. I suffered enough with Keiser, since I been using the Underdog Aroma logs or the ghetto pax 3. Vaping is a clear high safe too. 👌 @underdog @underdogette
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
Hi I am doing much better than before. I was in group therapy for past 2 weeks or so. And Monday my gramps passed away but ppl get old 😪 I remember taking care of ppl from 100 to 118 years old. You know that I went cold turkey nicotine because of the stupid commercials about toxic metals and how doctors said I was a addicted to cannabis and nicotine but when I said your using simulates caffeine or sugar or even junk foods. They thought that I am mental enough to go to cbt for a year. But it's like I got both associates degrees nursing degree nurse of 11 years 35k in stock options loving life to the fullest better than b4 with help of angels doesn't matter what works for me is way better than big phrama or being a patient for life, profit over patient. I suffered enough with Keiser, since I been using the Underdog Aroma logs or the ghetto pax 3. Vaping is a clear high safe too. 👌 @underdog @underdogette
Sorry about your gramps but glad it sounds like your feeling better overall.
😍
 

tom battleboar

Active Member
Life's too short to realize what is really going on. I saw him with my grandmother driving around in my dreams last week some weird trippy things about past people whom I have done the final rights for are coming into my dreams and daily life. I feel different than before just more outgoing, less fearful, confident, strong, determined, I feel like nothing can hurt me no more. My past life was a joke and I am doing way better than my past life. I just fuc ked up the Underdog website hope it recovers soon. 50k goals. Pops retired with 3 homes including 200k plus savings what can i complain about. Ppls putting hours in elon musk just 120 hours me yo your greatnesz does 130 to 160 hours of nursing covid
 
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