Underdog Log Vapes

[Enialis]

Sell it on here or entexchange on Reddit

Good point, I have a lot of gear that could use a home. I have an entire herbalizer kit thats missing the bowl piece that id like to give away if I could ever find somebody that could use the spare parts/unit.

Any last minute thoughts on the hybrid stems before I order it? I'm hoping it functions like a bigger version of the normal nong and extracts faster/harder than the gong

 

[underdog]

Good point, I have a lot of gear that could use a home. I have an entire herbalizer kit thats missing the bowl piece that id like to give away if I could ever find somebody that could use the spare parts/unit.

Any last minute thoughts on the hybrid stems before I order it? I'm hoping it functions like a bigger version of the normal nong and extracts faster/harder than the gong

It does function like an overgrown NonG and it should hit a bit harder than the GonG since the stainless heats up and
can add more conduction heating to the bowl (if allowed to) than the GonG which is mostly convection. The 'indestructible' nature is nice as well.

 

[SquirrelMaster]

I filled up my matrix sidecar with some nice hot tap water and hit many bowls over the course of the evening. My bowls keep getting smaller but I was so incredibly baked. Finished up the last two episodes of Wanda Vision (which were incredible!) with some Pizza, what a nice way to wind down after a hard day at work. What a honeymoon we're having over here .

 

[purplegrass]

Hey all,

So I have not touched any herb for about 2 years now
I had even gave away all my vaporizers
All, except 1... My Underdog

Anyway, I am wanting to take up the herbals again

But since its been so long, and my tolerance level would be well and truly back to baseline (which was pretty low as it was). I just wanted to get a gauge on how much herb you guys use with the UD.

I have the regular Nylon Direct Draw stem, a Stainless Steel Lite stem, and the glass Direct Draw stem.

How many stems do you go thru to get to your desired level? I don't really know how much I should start with, I don't even know what I used to do lol. I should man up and just experiment with it, but damn I'm like a nervous virgin again who needs some handholding (mostly want to avoid unnecessarily jacking up my tolerance by just rushing in and going overboard)

 

[arb]

Hey all,

So I have not touched any herb for about 2 years now
I had even gave away all my vaporizers
All, except 1... My Underdog

Anyway, I am wanting to take up the herbals again

But since its been so long, and my tolerance level would be well and truly back to baseline (which was pretty low as it was). I just wanted to get a gauge on how much herb you guys use with the UD.

I have the regular Nylon Direct Draw stem, a Stainless Steel Lite stem, and the glass Direct Draw stem.

How many stems do you go thru to get to your desired level? I don't really know how much I should start with, I don't even know what I used to do lol. I should man up and just experiment with it, but damn I'm like a nervous virgin again who needs some handholding (mostly want to avoid unnecessarily jacking up my tolerance by just rushing in and going overboard)

Load up that stainless with a pinch and have a toke.........start with just one?

 

[GraniteState420]

Plugin: DCE (refractory period exists here), dyna (with IH, I know this is a weird spot but it defies labels)

Battery: Tetrax, Dotleaf

Butane: jet dryv, noisy cricket

Ovens I own: DCE, tetrax, Dotleaf, g43, cap pro, fury edge, divine tribe DC herb, venus apollo, home made InductionVap (aka The I.V.), DTv4, terp pen

Other Ovens I've owned or tried: enano, WS, all S&B including plug in and battery (only liked the cano hybrid), all RBT ovens, almost all SB ovens, Piro, P80

They're are likely more I'm not remembering.

@arb

I was never able to overwhelm the nano oven after a few hours of heat soak, WS yes but the refractory is small, it's usuable w/in 5-15m of turn on, very little heat soak required on the new oven. I do want to try an LSV, I have a friend who has like 9 of them, I'm going to probably but one of his.

Did you miss the top 3 part?...you're a bit wordy dude.

 

[Enialis]

It does function like an overgrown NonG and it should hit a bit harder than the GonG since the stainless heats up and
can add more conduction heating to the bowl (if allowed to) than the GonG which is mostly convection. The 'indestructible' nature is nice as well.

Thanks! I'll go ahead and place my order today! Should I locate some beeswax or does the underbutter accomplish the same thing?
My underdog is starting to feel like it needs refreshing plus it rolled under my bed while warm and has a few crumbs stuck to the finish that id like to get off but don't want to go picking at the wood and damaging it.
My dad and grandpa are carpenters but I figured I should ask you first before letting one of them do something to it

Hey all,

So I have not touched any herb for about 2 years now
I had even gave away all my vaporizers
All, except 1... My Underdog

Anyway, I am wanting to take up the herbals again

But since its been so long, and my tolerance level would be well and truly back to baseline (which was pretty low as it was). I just wanted to get a gauge on how much herb you guys use with the UD.

I have the regular Nylon Direct Draw stem, a Stainless Steel Lite stem, and the glass Direct Draw stem.

How many stems do you go thru to get to your desired level? I don't really know how much I should start with, I don't even know what I used to do lol. I should man up and just experiment with it, but damn I'm like a nervous virgin again who needs some handholding (mostly want to avoid unnecessarily jacking up my tolerance by just rushing in and going overboard)

0.02g, or roughly 25mg is what I've seen thrown around this thread and what I've been using as a micro dose with the smaller stems but the same amount will work in the glass stems just fine is the material is fluffy enough not to fall out, if it is I just add a little more until it stays in place.

If you put your screen at the very tip of the SS stems so that the basket is even with the tip then it works perfectly with that amount and gives me several hits ( Its a one hitter for most people but I don't have the lungs for that unless I run it through water, and then I can).

The glass stems work better if the load is outside the heater core if thats what you prefer and doesn't hit quite as hard as the steel even though it hold more so you should be find either way. Thats still less than a 10mg dose of THC when I did the math using the dispensary herb I have thats testing at 31% right now, so you should be fine at that amount especially if you have something more mild that's closer to 5-8mg a hit.

The underdog is perfect for lowering your tolerance or keeping it their. I've been using mine for that reason because it forces you to go low and slow and only use what you need compared to my other vapes that will blast through as much as you want as fast as you can inhale it while still letting me use a WPA if I want a bigger hit but don't want to use a vape that takes more material.

 

[underdog]

Thanks! I'll go ahead and place my order today! Should I locate some beeswax or does the underbutter accomplish the same thing?
My underdog is starting to feel like it needs refreshing plus it rolled under my bed while warm and has a few crumbs stuck to the finish that id like to get off but don't want to go picking at the wood and damaging it.
My dad and grandpa are carpenters but I figured I should ask you first before letting one of them do something to it


0.02g, or roughly 25mg is what I've seen thrown around this thread and what I've been using as a micro dose with the smaller stems but the same amount will work in the glass stems just fine is the material is fluffy enough not to fall out, if it is I just add a little more until it stays in place.

If you put your screen at the very tip of the SS stems so that the basket is even with the tip then it works perfectly with that amount and gives me several hits ( Its a one hitter for most people but I don't have the lungs for that unless I run it through water, and then I can).

The glass stems work better if the load is outside the heater core if thats what you prefer and doesn't hit quite as hard as the steel even though it hold more so you should be find either way. Thats still less than a 10mg dose of THC when I did the math using the dispensary herb I have thats testing at 31% right now, so you should be fine at that amount especially if you have something more mild that's closer to 5-8mg a hit.

The underdog is perfect for lowering your tolerance or keeping it their. I've been using mine for that reason because it forces you to go low and slow and only use what you need compared to my other vapes that will blast through as much as you want as fast as you can inhale it while still letting me use a WPA if I want a bigger hit but don't want to use a vape that takes more material.

Right on, happy to help!

Yep the tin of underbutter is for keeping the wood moisturized and nice looking. If you've got crumbs stuck to the finish I'd brush those off with a soft rag like a t-shirt or something (you can use it slightly damp if needed) and then dry it (if damp) and apply some underbutter as desired.

That batch of underbutter is a bit heavy on the beeswax so it's on the firm side but you can warm it up for a minute with a hairdryer or something similar if needed to soften it if needed. I like to apply it with the vape on so the wood is warm but it doesn't really matter.

 

[BKR2311]

Hey all,

So I have not touched any herb for about 2 years now
I had even gave away all my vaporizers
All, except 1... My Underdog

Anyway, I am wanting to take up the herbals again

But since its been so long, and my tolerance level would be well and truly back to baseline (which was pretty low as it was). I just wanted to get a gauge on how much herb you guys use with the UD.

I have the regular Nylon Direct Draw stem, a Stainless Steel Lite stem, and the glass Direct Draw stem.

How many stems do you go thru to get to your desired level? I don't really know how much I should start with, I don't even know what I used to do lol. I should man up and just experiment with it, but damn I'm like a nervous virgin again who needs some handholding (mostly want to avoid unnecessarily jacking up my tolerance by just rushing in and going overboard)

That's honestly impossible to answer in a way that would help you, because everyone is different. I don't have to take a T break even with 10+ years of smoking/vaping because my tolerance never goes up. Not sure why biologically that is, but yeah.

One bowl at the standard spot Dave sends the stems in is enough for me to get pretty rocked. The occasions that I want to get completely blasted I might load up 2-3 bowls, but I don't need much every night.

 

[Enialis]

Right on, happy to help!

Yep the tin of underbutter is for keeping the wood moisturized and nice looking. If you've got crumbs stuck to the finish I'd brush those off with a soft rag like a t-shirt or something (you can use it slightly damp if needed) and then dry it (if damp) and apply some underbutter as desired.

That batch of underbutter is a bit heavy on the beeswax so it's on the firm side but you can warm it up for a minute with a hairdryer or something similar if needed to soften it if needed. I like to apply it with the vape on so the wood is warm but it doesn't really matter.

Thanks ill go ahead and give that a shot! I shouldn't have to worry about rubbing the stain off should I? The reason I ask is that I have a walnut banister on my staircase that swells up from the humidity in the summer and then "sweats" out the moisture along with the stain when the wood contracts as things cool off, now, this piece of wood is over 100 years old and the last time it was stained properly was well before I was born, but knowing that about my house do you think I would need to take any special steps to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to my underdog when the weather changes?

 

[underdog]

Thanks ill go ahead and give that a shot! I shouldn't have to worry about rubbing the stain off should I? The reason I ask is that I have a walnut banister on my staircase that swells up from the humidity in the summer and then "sweats" out the moisture along with the stain when the wood contracts as things cool off, now, this piece of wood is over 100 years old and the last time it was stained properly was well before I was born, but knowing that about my house do you think I would need to take any special steps to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to my underdog when the weather changes?

Ah I see your concern...

No worries - there's no stain on any of our vapes it's just the natural wood rubbed down with the underbutter mixture and sometimes on the glossier ones maybe some carnuba wax. So nothing to worry about sweating out or rubbing off.

 

[Enialis]

Ah I see your concern...

No worries - there's no stain on any of our vapes it's just the natural wood rubbed down with the underbutter mixture and sometimes on the glossier ones maybe some carnuba wax. So nothing to worry about sweating out or rubbing off.

Awesome thanks for the info! I wish I could get my dad or grandpa to teach me this stuff so I could complete my hobbyist skills

 

[SquirrelMaster]

I was using the stainless steel direct draw on the Alpha that @underdog threw in my order (because he and @underdogette are awesome!). Holy crap, flavour city! I was going easy with the tip right at the end of the core and I had 2 super terpy, low vapour hits like no other of some LA Kush Cake. Then I put the tip in deeper and deeper and pulled more and more vapour. It's an amazing stem that is a nice contrast to the glass direct draw. Next up will be the Nong or Nylon direct draw, or maybe more stainless, or the gong, or the octopus glass (ohhh man do I love this heady stem), or the balls to the wall glass direct draw. So many options!

I forgot to turn on my Alpha when I left work today and I was pretty sad when I walked in the door and remembered . So I had a couple bowls in another vape, checked up on my plants and she was ready to go!

I have never understood the whole, "this vape gets you blasted off small amounts of flower" saying that some people apply to vapes. The Alpha made me question that yesterday. It continues to impress me how much I love this device, we are having a wonderful honeymoon. I haven't named one of my vapes in a long time and I think she needs one. "Wanda" aka "The Scarlet Witch" seems fitting with the "trance" state of mind she put me in yesterday. Sweet Wanda, how I adore thee .

If you can't tell, she's worked her magic over me for the night.

 

[underdog]

Awesome thanks for the info! I wish I could get my dad or grandpa to teach me this stuff so I could complete my hobbyist skills

Happy to help and always happy to share any little bit of knowledge I can!

I was using the stainless steel direct draw on the Alpha that @underdog threw in my order (because he and @underdogette are awesome!). Holy crap, flavour city! I was going easy with the tip right at the end of the core and I had 2 super terpy, low vapour hits like no other of some LA Kush Cake. Then I put the tip in deeper and deeper and pulled more and more vapour. It's an amazing stem that is a nice contrast to the glass direct draw. Next up will be the Nong or Nylon direct draw, or maybe more stainless, or the gong, or the octopus glass (ohhh man do I love this heady stem), or the balls to the wall glass direct draw. So many options!

I forgot to turn on my Alpha when I left work today and I was pretty sad when I walked in the door and remembered . So I had a couple bowls in another vape, checked up on my plants and she was ready to go!

I have never understood the whole, "this vape gets you blasted off small amounts of flower" saying that some people apply to vapes. The Alpha made me question that yesterday. It continues to impress me how much I love this device, we are having a wonderful honeymoon. I haven't named one of my vapes in a long time and I think she needs one. "Wanda" aka "The Scarlet Witch" seems fitting with the "trance" state of mind she put me in yesterday. Sweet Wanda, how I adore thee .

If you can't tell, she's worked her magic over me for the night.

Sounds like a hellofa honeymoon indeed.

 

[Enialis]

Is it possible to get consistent results at lower temps? I normally run my dog at the full 12.3v it allows but wanted to try lowering the voltage to see if it changed the flavor much. Its the first time I've actually let it heat soak at a lower temperature, before this the only time as had to lower it was during the first few days when the dog was breaking in so to speak and combustion. I tried heat soaking it at 11.5v but wasn't able to get any vapor until I turned it back up. Its an SC3+ by the way. Am I misunderstanding something? Is it only meant to keep it from combusting if it runs hot?

 

[BKR2311]

Is it possible to get consistent results at lower temps? I normally run my dog at the full 12.3v it allows but wanted to try lowering the voltage to see if it changed the flavor much. Its the first time I've actually let it heat soak at a lower temperature, before this the only time as had to lower it was during the first few days when the dog was breaking in so to speak and combustion. I tried heat soaking it at 11.5v but wasn't able to get any vapor until I turned it back up. Its an SC3+ by the way. Am I misunderstanding something? Is it only meant to keep it from combusting if it runs hot?

Idk what to say on that. The last wall adaptor I had and vvps I ran on max heat to produce any vapor. Impossible to combust. I got a 15v wall adaptor from Dave, and it runs much hotter and more consistent even at like 10v. I keep it on 11.5v right now and it gives massive clouds. Not sure what's going on with the vvps/wall adaptors, but that could be an issue many are having.

Couldn't microdose at all with the first vvps or the second wall adaptor. Now I can microdose a tiiiiny amount of herb with big clouds still.

 

[underdog]

Is it possible to get consistent results at lower temps? I normally run my dog at the full 12.3v it allows but wanted to try lowering the voltage to see if it changed the flavor much. Its the first time I've actually let it heat soak at a lower temperature, before this the only time as had to lower it was during the first few days when the dog was breaking in so to speak and combustion. I tried heat soaking it at 11.5v but wasn't able to get any vapor until I turned it back up. Its an SC3+ by the way. Am I misunderstanding something? Is it only meant to keep it from combusting if it runs hot?

I'm not personally an expert on lower heat vaping but it's certainly possible with any of the cores.

The biggest challenge is finding exactly the right voltage to give the results you want. People have a hard time believing how big a difference
a small .2-.3v difference can make but it can be huge.. point being that it can take some time and experimentation to find just the right voltage.

Also in my relatively limited experience with lower heat vaping I've found that depending on the heat level and the strain being used I didn't always get much noticeable vapor even if the effects and flavor were good. That may or may not be something you encounter as well.

 

[ScrivGnar]

After a 3-4 year hiatus we are officially back on the underdog train & about to be vaping again! My underdog went through traumatic times & as I was looking at how to send it in I splurged. A nice new one will be here Friday! Looking forward to being back in this community

 

[underdog]

After a 3-4 year hiatus we are officially back on the underdog train & about to be vaping again! My underdog went through traumatic times & as I was looking at how to send it in I splurged. A nice new one will be here Friday! Looking forward to being back in this community

Welcome back!

 

[Enialis]

Idk what to say on that. The last wall adaptor I had and vvps I ran on max heat to produce any vapor. Impossible to combust. I got a 15v wall adaptor from Dave, and it runs much hotter and more consistent even at like 10v. I keep it on 11.5v right now and it gives massive clouds. Not sure what's going on with the vvps/wall adaptors, but that could be an issue many are having.

Couldn't microdose at all with the first vvps or the second wall adaptor. Now I can microdose a tiiiiny amount of herb with big clouds still.

What core do you have? I run my sc3+ on 12.3v which is the max for this power supply because anything less is really inconsistent

I'm not personally an expert on lower heat vaping but it's certainly possible with any of the cores.

The biggest challenge is finding exactly the right voltage to give the results you want. People have a hard time believing how big a difference
a small .2-.3v difference can make but it can be huge.. point being that it can take some time and experimentation to find just the right voltage.

Also in my relatively limited experience with lower heat vaping I've found that depending on the heat level and the strain being used I didn't always get much noticeable vapor even if the effects and flavor were good. That may or may not be something you encounter as well.

I'm guessing I lowered to much then. I went roughly to 11.3v from 12.3v thinking that was like 1 notch down instead of remembering that these devices are much simpler than my other vapes and that I'm adjusting the voltage and specific numbered settings.

It also leads me to believe that I need to get my wiring checked. Even on 12.3v sometimes I randomly combust or get no vapor and other devices have browned out on this circuit before, I just haven't been able to find out if the problem is in the walls or my bench area.

Is there anything I can do to rule out the power supply being the issue so I can confirm its something else? I can take the device to a relatives house but wouldn't be able to sit over there using it to see the difference.

 

[arb]

What core do you have? I run my sc3+ on 12.3v which is the max for this power supply because anything less is really inconsistent

I'm guessing I lowered to much then. I went roughly to 11.3v from 12.3v thinking that was like 1 notch down instead of remembering that these devices are much simpler than my other vapes and that I'm adjusting the voltage and specific numbered settings.

It also leads me to believe that I need to get my wiring checked. Even on 12.3v sometimes I randomly combust or get no vapor and other devices have browned out on this circuit before, I just haven't been able to find out if the problem is in the walls or my bench area.

Is there anything I can do to rule out the power supply being the issue so I can confirm its something else? I can take the device to a relatives house but wouldn't be able to sit over there using it to see the difference.

Grab another Vvps off Amazon and see.
I buy the 3.5 to 24 volts and run my dogs on those....all below 11.6

 

[BKR2311]

What core do you have? I run my sc3+ on 12.3v which is the max for this power supply because anything less is really inconsistent

I'm guessing I lowered to much then. I went roughly to 11.3v from 12.3v thinking that was like 1 notch down instead of remembering that these devices are much simpler than my other vapes and that I'm adjusting the voltage and specific numbered settings.

It also leads me to believe that I need to get my wiring checked. Even on 12.3v sometimes I randomly combust or get no vapor and other devices have browned out on this circuit before, I just haven't been able to find out if the problem is in the walls or my bench area.

Is there anything I can do to rule out the power supply being the issue so I can confirm its something else? I can take the device to a relatives house but wouldn't be able to sit over there using it to see the difference.

I'm using an Alpha if that's what you're referring to. A faulty vvps will make it seem like it's the wiring also. First thing I did was check for a voltage drop and got nothing, but it still wasn't performing well / consistent. If you actually think it might be the outlet you're using, just pick a different outlet that is on a separate breaker. I highly doubt the main wiring coming to your house has some type of massive voltage drop. I'd do what ARB is saying and grab a dif Vvps off amazon, because 99% chance that's what it is.

 

[Enialis]

Thanks both of you, I was just going to come here to ask something about that because I tried lowering it by only .1-2v and managed to get the cooler vapor I wanted for the ss direct draw stem but the rotary knob on mine likes to jump around quite a bit so it took some fiddling.

I'll go ahead and grab one, any particular brands stand out? Any variable wattage supplies or vv/vws i could use for even more precise control?

I'll have to check with my dad about the state of the breaker im on as we just rewired the house and ita not fully done so maybe something is wrong with mine, I've noticed problems with this line in my electronics projects already from not having a conditioned bench anymore so I mostly just wanted to be able to confirm that I have a problem with this outlet or UPS once and for all lol

 

[ScrivGnar]

Welcome back!

Thinking about getting a custom ordered, possibly a mini or a set. How often do you run across camphor as a underdog material?

 

[strech]

Curvy walnut after a few years of use still looking beautiful!!

Dave made this for me in 2015.

Edit to add my lovely mini companion!