Tornado by Vestratto

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PossumMD said:
Yeah, I'm from the antipodes. As for the massive torch and watch combo, I vape outside and we get wild variability in temps here and it does have an effect on the timing, I need some sort of feedback from the vape itself to know I'm near the temp I want. Couldn't dial in the tornado when I didn't have usable clicks cos of this. Plus, shiny things exist and I'm easily distracted, a click brings my focus right back!;)
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Ah that makes sense, I feel you on the outdoors and the temps, lots of silly music festivals next to wind power farm experiences here, a mixed bag of lollies flavour and roast wise with the butane vapes at the campsite over the years, good people missed some good songs from holding lighters too long in the wind ;)
That sucks you didn't have proper clicks on your tornado, it would be a massive issue for me! I too absolutely need my clicks as a reference point on my butane DHVs, to the extent that I swap out to new torches or heat sources that make the click work as a solid extraction yard stick for me. Whether I like it or not the Old brain sack is apt to wander off on its own from time to time, time and time again ;) but the click does the trick lol
 
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bridgesoid said:
Ah that makes sense, I feel you on the outdoors and the temps, lots of silly music festivals next to wind power farm experiences here, a mixed bag of lollies flavour and roast wise with the butane vapes at the campsite over the years, good people missed some good songs from holding lighters too long in the wind ;)
That sucks you didn't have proper clicks on your tornado, it would be a massive issue for me! I too absolutely need my clicks as a reference point on my butane DHVs, to the extent that I swap out to new torches or heat sources that make the click work as a solid extraction yard stick for me. Whether I like it or not the Old brain sack is apt to wander off on its own from time to time, time and time again ;) but the click does the trick lol
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Oh, I can definitely relate to the music festivals bit, got 3 over the next month (I'm nearly 40, there's gigs peppered inbetween plus work, I may die hahahaha). And yeah, was losing my mind trying to get the tornado to work until vestratto emailed back after a month of pestering with "bowls defective, we'll send you a new one". Although, I'm thinking now, I wonder what would happen if I used the defective bowl with the wand now...? Could be worth chucking it in without the stem and seeing what's what (without stem cos glass is soooooooo much easier to clean than the monster stem I got off scruffy).
 
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RedZep

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Are there any Vestrato reps in the thread? I'm wandering how Vestrato will navigate the Trump tariffs. I'm fearful they will simply increase price by 20% regardless of which country they are shipping to.
 
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The number is 25%, but why would they be increasing their price, not really how the game works. At any rate, the tariff reportedly will be honouring De Minimis, so from CA->US $800 package will free of tariff charge.
 
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anome said:
The number is 25%, but why would they be increasing their price, not really how the game works. At any rate, the tariff reportedly will be honouring De Minimis, so from CA->US $800 package will free of tariff charge.
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Sorry I'm in the UK. I wasn't aware of the De Minimis law. I just thought Vestratto would incur massive costs and have to increase prices. Thanks.
 
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leanpubpackage

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RedZep said:
Are there any Vestrato reps in the thread? I'm wandering how Vestrato will navigate the Trump tariffs. I'm fearful they will simply increase price by 20% regardless of which country they are shipping to.
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Did you end up grabbing a tornado? Really curious to hear your first hand experience
 
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leanpubpackage said:
Did you end up grabbing a tornado? Really curious to hear your first hand experience
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Not yet. I'm avoiding saying anything about it until then. I'm pretty sure I will love it, so I wouldn't expect much controversy :D

I thought the Anvil was great. Amazing signature, potency. Loved the conduction. I just thought the heat up time with a torch was not worth it for the size of the bowl. The Tornado has double the bowl size, and can be heated faster with larger torch.

So I'm pretty sure any negatives I find will be small nitpicks. Things that should be ironed out over time.

I wish I wouldn't need an adaptor to attach it to stems. It's already really big as it is. I also don't like paying for the metal WPA, as I prefer glass or wood WPA's. But I don't know how long I will have to possibly wait for those things to be ironed out. I may just pull the trigger next time they are available.

EDIT- @zeebudz is seemingly correct. The 25% tarrifs will apply to Vestratto on all goods. A price raise will be expected I imagine. Small businesses won't be able to swallow a 25% fee. That's probably bigger than their margins as is. Nightmare for out industry as it's made up of a lot of small independent creators.
 
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A tariff is a tax collected in the country that initiated the tariff on all imports to which the tariff applies, in this case everything from CA to US. It is the wholesale importer that pays the tax, in all likelihood passing the increased cost on to the consumer, so the US consumer pays the tax. CA has of course announced retaliatory tariffs. So, only if Vestratto imports widgets from the US which are subject to the new CA tariff should there be a price impact, which would then impact pricing for everyone purchasing. As I understand things regarding Vestratto, what is not made in CA is sourced from CN, so in theory no new tax on Vestratto manufacturing costs. De Minimis was originally thought to be tariff exempt in the US, but reporting has since changed and small parcels may be taxed like everything else from CA to US.
 
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anome said:
A tariff is a tax collected in the country that initiated the tariff on all imports to which the tariff applies, in this case everything from CA to US. It is the wholesale importer that pays the tax, in all likelihood passing the increased cost on to the consumer, so the US consumer pays the tax. CA has of course announced retaliatory tariffs. So, only if Vestratto imports widgets from the US which are subject to the new CA tariff should there be a price impact, which would then impact pricing for everyone purchasing. As I understand things regarding Vestratto, what is not made in CA is sourced from CN, so in theory no new tax on Vestratto manufacturing costs. De Minimis was originally thought to be tariff exempt in the US, but reporting has since changed and small parcels may be taxed like everything else from CA to US.
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Do you know how the import tax is collected on individual items? You wouldn't see it added to your bill from the CA company, right?
 
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anome said:
A tariff is a tax collected in the country that initiated the tariff on all imports to which the tariff applies, in this case everything from CA to US. It is the wholesale importer that pays the tax, in all likelihood passing the increased cost on to the consumer, so the US consumer pays the tax. CA has of course announced retaliatory tariffs. So, only if Vestratto imports widgets from the US which are subject to the new CA tariff should there be a price impact, which would then impact pricing for everyone purchasing. As I understand things regarding Vestratto, what is not made in CA is sourced from CN, so in theory no new tax on Vestratto manufacturing costs. De Minimis was originally thought to be tariff exempt in the US, but reporting has since changed and small parcels may be taxed like everything else from CA to US.
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Wouldn't the actual purchase of a device by an American trigger the tariff also? Isn't any purchase from another country an import?

I'm not arguing, I'm asking because I don't know.
 
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RedZep said:
Wouldn't the actual purchase of a device by an American trigger the tariff also? Isn't any purchase from another country an import?

I'm not arguing, I'm asking because I don't know.
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My understanding is that the manufacturer pays the tariff and then passes the cost on to the consumer by raising their prices.
 
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jbm said:
My understanding is that the manufacturer pays the tariff and then passes the cost on to the consumer by raising their prices.
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Yeah, I just wonder how it works for you and me since there's no de minimus and everything's subject to it.
 
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coolbreeze said:
You wouldn't see it added to your bill from the CA company
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I believe that to be correct, probably manifest as a line item on the receiving end like duty...

RedZep said:
actual purchase of a device by an American trigger the tariff
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On the US side
jbm said:
manufacturer pays the tariff and then passes the cost on to the consumer
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In the case of an export tariff companies would be required to collect Right now in CA, since the tariff on energy from CA is only at 10% (electric and O&G) for obvious reasons, there is chatter regarding making it the full fare. So CA might implement a 15% export tariff which would be charged on this side of the border.
 
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leanpubpackage said:
Got one of TRWW’s 14mm glass cooling stems to use with the tornado and it’s been great, albeit a bit phallic 😂

In my opinion, it’s too powerful to use with a small metal stem, which I assume is why vestratto went with the WPA release. There’s just too much vapor and heat transfer
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I have also been using a TRWW cooling tube. I did mount it on an old anvil stem and as you said it was a bit much. I may try again
 
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They meet again :love: I'll report back once I have time to test, but I'm so happy to have my forge and tornado again!!

Top power of 6000 joules... throw all your previous settings from V1 forge out of the window.


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Stonedbadger

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jbm said:
My understanding is that the manufacturer pays the tariff and then passes the cost on to the consumer by raising their prices.
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This is not true in this context. For an American consumer of Vestratto you would pay your government's 25% tariff when you import the product. Not the manufacturer.

As I live in Australia I, and along with the rest of the world, would not need to pay trumps tariffs, as I am not importing it into America.

Of course trumps has since changed his mind, perhaps after someone managed to explain to him how tariffs work.
 
coolbreeze

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Stonedbadger said:
This is not true in this context. For an American consumer of Vestratto you would pay your government's 25% tariff when you import the product. Not the manufacturer.

As I live in Australia I, and along with the rest of the world, would not need to pay trumps tariffs, as I am not importing it into America.

Of course trumps has since changed his mind, perhaps after someone managed to explain to him how tariffs work.
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But I think Vestratto would have to pay the import tariff on any US-produced parts/materials which would then be passed on to consumers, if the admin gets stupid again and Canada retaliates.
 
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