Can't express with words how happy i am to have this again, my torch is back to collecting dust.
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Mine should arrive this week. What have been your magic numbers on V2?Can't express with words how happy i am to have this again, my torch is back to collecting dust.
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For OHE I am at 5300J @ 100% power, with 62% RH flower.
I have found the total extraction range to be 3900 - 5300 for the tornado. My wagon wheel is set to 3 threads showing from bottom. I was able to achieve some crazy flavours on the low end that I was not able to achieve with V1.
alex91
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Inductor is a great choice. It’s super powerful and if you’re looking for an experience similar to torching, it’s a no brainer. The Forge, of course, is also amazing. However, it’s a more straightforward experience where you just setup the settings and let it do the rest, while the Inductor is more “dynamic” I’d say.
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Slartibartfast67
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This is where I’m at. Just haven’t been able to dial in the super dark roast I want with the wand. Guess I need to keep upping the temp.
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Fearless Disaster
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Hi friends! What is the word with the Tornado and induction heaters? Which ones work best? I have a wand, an old fluxer deluxe, and would consider adding a forge or inductor to the mix as long as it worked with my tempest too
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Can some kind soul who has tried both a Wand and something more powerful (Inductor, Forge... etc) explain to me just how much better the experience is? I personally am really satisfied with heating the Tornado with the Wand. 20sec to click doesn't make me feel like the Wand is underpowered. 
Plus you can count flashes for repeatable low temp hits if you like. I feel like I'm missing something?
I'm more interested in any different signature effects a more powerful IH has. I'm not really interested in any time savings to heat quicker if the signature stays the same. I get really thick, fluffy vapor that people are describing so I'm a bit lost as to why I need a much more powerful and expensive IH to enjoy the Tornado.
Plus you can count flashes for repeatable low temp hits if you like. I feel like I'm missing something?I'm more interested in any different signature effects a more powerful IH has. I'm not really interested in any time savings to heat quicker if the signature stays the same. I get really thick, fluffy vapor that people are describing so I'm a bit lost as to why I need a much more powerful and expensive IH to enjoy the Tornado.
Smknbud
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Got V2 couple days ago. I'm at 5500J and 85%. I have my stopper higher than yours, such that its recessed into the wagon wheel threaded sleeve (did same with V1). At Forge time out and Tornado removal I almost immediately get the first disc click followed quickly by second click. AVB is perfect for me. Also 62% flower.
Thrilled to have the Forge back in play.
tasticleeze
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I have finally got things working great with the wand as well.Can some kind soul who has tried both a Wand and something more powerful (Inductor, Forge... etc) explain to me just how much better the experience is? I personally am really satisfied with heating the Tornado with the Wand. 20sec to click doesn't make me feel like the Wand is underpowered.
I'm more interested in any different signature effects a more powerful IH has. I'm not really interested in any time savings to heat quicker if the signature stays the same. I get really thick, fluffy vapor that people are describing so I'm a bit lost as to why I need a much more powerful and expensive IH to enjoy the Tornado.
I use it upside down with a little silicone cap guarding the bottom hole. Tornado is inserted pretty much submerged up to the air intake holes. Wand is set to 420f but I never make it to the end - I pull 1-2 seconds after first click on cold start (immediately on reheat or I combust). I don’t do any special slow pull, I just rip the rooster.
The click adjusted over about a week of use, but seems settled and I ended up replacing the wpa with a nice 14mm wood, so things are now cozy and happy. I really do love this thing!
I definitely wouldn’t change the heat time with the experience if I were looking for an upgrade, I’d fix the heat lock on the threads that can easily happen if you carelessly reload. This minor thing and the (imo for the price) cheesy wpa keep the tornado from being actually undeniably perfect.
Even though the wand is my preferred method to use the tornado, I do get better hits with the torch. The quicker and beefier heat up of the forge may help get that experience closer to the torch for me. That's the logic I'm using to gauge whether I'll pick one up or not in a few months.Can some kind soul who has tried both a Wand and something more powerful (Inductor, Forge... etc) explain to me just how much better the experience is? I personally am really satisfied with heating the Tornado with the Wand. 20sec to click doesn't make me feel like the Wand is underpowered.
I'm more interested in any different signature effects a more powerful IH has. I'm not really interested in any time savings to heat quicker if the signature stays the same. I get really thick, fluffy vapor that people are describing so I'm a bit lost as to why I need a much more powerful and expensive IH to enjoy the Tornado.
Roffa
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I've got a wand and an inductor. The wand is the old model, with the little toggle switch.Can some kind soul who has tried both a Wand and something more powerful (Inductor, Forge... etc) explain to me just how much better the experience is? I personally am really satisfied with heating the Tornado with the Wand. 20sec to click doesn't make me feel like the Wand is underpowered.
I'm more interested in any different signature effects a more powerful IH has. I'm not really interested in any time savings to heat quicker if the signature stays the same. I get really thick, fluffy vapor that people are describing so I'm a bit lost as to why I need a much more powerful and expensive IH to enjoy the Tornado.
I use the Inductor at home and the Wand when I travel. My process for each is very different: Inductor especially allows for a lot of finessing. The Wand less so. I often preheat, but when I'm in a hotel that's a faff, so I let the timer run out at 325C and then I have excellent extraction in one go with darkish ABV. Of course, the second bowl is better, because by then the Tornado has warmed up.
But what I absolutely adore about the Inductor is the amount of energy you can add in a very short time, like 2 seconds. What i don't like about the Wand is that the flower is in the oven for quite a long time, 20 seconds if I pre-heat. With the Inductor I can give it a 1 second blast from cold at the highest voltage, wait a bit for the heat to distribute, maybe give another quick blast, and I have click. I can manipulate where I heat the Tornado with the Inductor, something that is semi-possible with the Wand. Short cooking times give hits that can be very terpy if you use the inductor so you hover around the click threshold.
I also still think the Wand is under-powered for the Tornado.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
That's what I'm trying to qualify... "better hits" how exactly? Other than just the speed to get there. I do find it interesting that the Wand is your preferred method.
Thanks for the responses guys. I can see how the Inductor is versatile in picking a spot anywhere on the Tornado to induct it, maybe leading to different/better hits. The Forge's only advantage seems to be power over the Wand.
This is something. If the "flash-cook" times really amplify the terps a lot, then maybe if you're a die hard taster it might be worth it to you to pick up a Forge or an Inductor and see the difference. I'm still blown away by the terps I get from low temp hits with the Wand. I had a sneezing fit just the other day from a great bowl so it's things like this that give me pause.
I think the Forge and the Inductor are good to have around in the vaping world. In fact I'm pretty sure there's an Inductor in my future. I just don't think I'd grab one if I only cared about improving the Tornado experience.
I hear you. You're better suited than I am to know since you own a Wand and an Inductor.
However, I remember what it was like with the Wand when the first big TEDs started appearing like the Anvil, Dani, Stunner, Tempest. Trying to heat the Dani V3Ti or the Stunner with a Wand can take close to a minute, and that's not even for full extraction. So the Tornado is like a revelation to me. Full extraction in around 20sec. Low temp tasty re-heats in 8sec after that, if you want. I find it hard to label "underpowered".
Maybe the quick heat-up taste is light years better
. I'll find out when I get my Inductor one day.
bridgesoid
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You could try a cheap torch like this one https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08L6P5BSM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title (you want one like this with metal internals not plastic, also the butane cans for these torches are less than an 1/8th of the price of the cans for refilling small lighters) if you wanted a sense of the flavour difference vs the wand?That's what I'm trying to qualify... "better hits" how exactly? Other than just the speed to get there. I do find it interesting that the Wand is your preferred method.
Thanks for the responses guys. I can see how the Inductor is versatile in picking a spot anywhere on the Tornado to induct it, maybe leading to different/better hits. The Forge's only advantage seems to be power over the Wand.
This is something. If the "flash-cook" times really amplify the terps a lot, then maybe if you're a die hard taster it might be worth it to you to pick up a Forge or an Inductor and see the difference. I'm still blown away by the terps I get from low temp hits with the Wand. I had a sneezing fit just the other day from a great bowl so it's things like this that give me pause.
I think the Forge and the Inductor are good to have around in the vaping world. In fact I'm pretty sure there's an Inductor in my future. I just don't think I'd grab one if I only cared about improving the Tornado experience.
I hear you. You're better suited than I am to know since you own a Wand and an Inductor.
However, I remember what it was like with the Wand when the first big TEDs started appearing like the Anvil, Dani, Stunner, Tempest. Trying to heat the Dani V3Ti or the Stunner with a Wand can take close to a minute, and that's not even for full extraction. So the Tornado is like a revelation to me. Full extraction in around 20sec. Low temp tasty re-heats in 8sec after that, if you want. I find it hard to label "underpowered".
Maybe the quick heat-up taste is light years better
10 seconds or less heat up time for a coffee coloured roast (a touch quicker than the video on this page). I just bathe the entire head in the flame after where the inner blue flame finishes and slowly rotate. As you have hypothesized, the flash-cook accentuates your material's terpiness and has a slightly different signature to the high. It's a more delicate and refined flavour (less roasty, kind of a best of both worlds of convection and conduction flavours, to oversimplify it tastes more convection forward than before as there's been less time for the terps to boil off).
I too have the wand and use it most of the time due to convenience, portability and mindless repeatability of results. I really enjoy the flavour and effects using the wand, its lovely and much better than most vapes but it is better again with the rapid heat up from a massive flame. I still end up using the wand most of the time though, almost silent handsfree operation and my setup fitting in a sunglasses case is just so convenient. I'm not financially wealthy but personally, I think when I can get a comparable heat up time and countless bowls off a can of tane that packs down nice and small, picking up a forge to me isn't worth it. The inductor looks amazing to me though and really appeals to me for its versatility and the spot heating options it provides, but I can't justify the expense in my situation. I am very satisfied with the wand along with a cheap torch and allen key. The latter lets me setup a mobile vapor bar at a house party with no powerpoints or batteries required, that's good enough for me
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Thanks for the detailed response! I'm still working in a torch-free zone here at home so that's why I don't keep them around.You could try a cheap torch like this one https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08L6P5BSM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title (you want one like this with metal internals not plastic, also the butane cans for these torches are less than an 1/8th of the price of the cans for refilling small lighters) if you wanted a sense of the flavour difference vs the wand?
10 seconds or less heat up time for a coffee coloured roast (a touch quicker than the video on this page). I just bathe the entire head in the flame after where the inner blue flame finishes and slowly rotate. As you have hypothesized, the flash-cook accentuates your material's terpiness and has a slightly different signature to the high. It's a more delicate and refined flavour (less roasty, kind of a best of both worlds of convection and conduction flavours, to oversimplify it tastes more convection forward than before as there's been less time for the terps to boil off).
I too have the wand and use it most of the time due to convenience, portability and mindless repeatability of results. I really enjoy the flavour and effects using the wand, its lovely and much better than most vapes but it is better again with the rapid heat up from a massive flame. I still end up using the wand most of the time though, almost silent handsfree operation and my setup fitting in a sunglasses case is just so convenient. I'm not financially wealthy but personally, I think when I can get a comparable heat up time and countless bowls off a can of tane that packs down nice and small, picking up a forge to me isn't worth it. The inductor looks amazing to me though and really appeals to me for its versatility and the spot heating options it provides, but I can't justify the expense in my situation. I am very satisfied with the wand along with a cheap torch and allen key. The latter lets me setup a mobile vapor bar at a house party with no powerpoints or batteries required, that's good enough for me
However, I did just order a CeramoXL recently that happens to come with a torch in the Bambox
. If that torch can heat a CeramoXL I'm guessing it'll do ok with a Tornado? I'll probably give it a shot. Can they ship these things pre-filled with butane?I’m going to try this. Every time I used my inductor it’s been incinerating my flower lol
What settings do you hit the Tornado with using the Inductor?
bridgesoid
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No worriesThanks for the detailed response! I'm still working in a torch-free zone here at home so that's why I don't keep them around.
However, I did just order a CeramoXL recently that happens to come with a torch in the Bambox
Camouflet make fantastic vapes in my opinion but the included torch is not up to the task of quickly heating an XL or holding up to heavy use. I think trying to use that you might get the wrong idea about torches and write them off. If you want a torch that is reliable and pocket friendly I really like these little Jobon triple flames for a pocket friendly setup for my CXL https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005...t_main.37.130a1802Wn8M9g&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnmYou can get an idea of the flame size it can put out by clicking the video in the link. It's about the biggest flame that doesn't sputter and cut out that I've been able to get out of a lighter this small (to give you an idea of size these lighters are about 25% taller than an 18650 and a tiny bit thinner diameter wise. Unlike a lot of triple flames the jets are angled inward so that the inner flames have a focal point of heat and the outer flame terminates in a sharp point. This is nice for precision high temp heating. I like this design because it uses replaceable flints for ignition instead of piezo ignition. The piezo tends to be the thing that wears or fails quickest on small high temp lighters leading to misfires (the lighter doesn't light first time and gets worse from there) or failure to light at all. For me these lighters with an old school flint light first time every time, something I really appreciate. Another plus is that with these is when refilling I can leave the flame size set optimally and just pop the lighter upside and pump it a couple of times and 2 minutes later I'm good to go. A lot of smaller jet lighters I have to turn the flame down to refill (recommended practice) and purge the lighter, etc. I haven't needed to do this at all which really suits my lifestyle
As a long long time glass vg, vapman and lotus user, there are lighters and then there are lighters. A lot of them fail pretty quickly. I haven't had any issues with these in the 3 months daily use they've had so far. Heating the CXL takes 11 or 12 seconds, can cash the bowl on a single heating but everyone's different. Reheats are 4, max 5 seconds.
With the nado I heat the secondary atomizer for about a third of my heating time and paint the body the rest of the time. First click with this method makes for medium roasted coffee coloured ABV. You can get to the click quicker with a lighter end roast by spending less time on the secondary atty.
I haven't timed my Lotus rips but I can cash my bowls very quickly too (the technique is more just up and down as the flame covers the whole area that's intended to be heated).
With a lighter this size with a flame that large you're not going to get a mountain of bowls per fill of the fuel tank but refilling takes literally 10 seconds and the portability to flame size is unmatched. To put it another way the CXL and this lighter replaced my tinymight. I get more bowls per tank fill vs per 18650 in the TM and the 10 second refill is a lot faster than recharging the TM. I have 3 of these lighters in different colours (reminds me when each was refilled) and just rotate them as needed. As in my previous post I like a big torch to get the absolute best of the nado but these little triples work really nicely too. I prefer using these with the CXL than the wand as I find the heating and reheating process quicker and easier. I think you'll really enjoy the Ceramo XL, I can only go by the information released but I think the SS cap will be great, I'm guessing an extra 3-5 seconds heat up time vs my numbers but you will have a longer period of time to vape your material at ideal temperatures due to the increased heat retention and the extra seconds will make the device more forgiving of little variances in your cap heating times. I hope you enjoy it!