Tornado by Vestratto

eyevape

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I’m sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but there’s a great discount on the Camouflet Inductor right now. I honestly don’t know if I wait for the forge revision or just buy that. I’m looking to use it with the Tempest, Anvil and Tornado. Any thoughts?
No reason not to buy such a versatile IH when there’s great discount and you’re not on a budget. I read it works well with all these devices. And by the time the Forge is fixed, you‘re in a very comfortable position to wait for a good price.
 
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Timps27

Feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin’ again
Inductor is plenty capable for all 3, and anything that inducts really. I think Inductor and Tempest make the perfect pair, the VI on Tempest reminds me of using airspeed and Vref speeds as a pilot; I don’t even count I just watch the glowing red sleeve as I rotate, then the VI starts to move (airspeed alive), then for my taste I use the first mark as indication to remove inductor (V1, rotate), then it will keep climbing to between mark 1-2, get one click and sometimes just barely the second.

Yes, sorry for the OT, but Inductor really is a treat for all of the metal boys/girls.
 

seki

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I'll stop posting in the thread.

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I recall being happy to interact with anyone anytime in the Tempest thread. I didn't take anyone's opinions personally.

But yeah as I said above I'm not coming across well here. I'll just observe from here on out. No hard feelings. Sorry for any annoyance caused.

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I think it's normal to get differing user reports at first. Especially when users are figuring it out. I'll stop my conjecture and just wait till I have it. My point was simply that I didn't care if some people report low heat retention. I just don't think it needs it. I honestly thought i was defeding the vape. I think people are presuming im being a dick even when im not. That's my fault.

If you are having a different experience to that other guy fair enough. That's interesting.

:lol: Sorry, couldn't resist. In all seriousness @RedZep, I don't think most people care about your opinion, or your opinion of other people's opinions, until you've actually tried the device. Arguing with people who have one in hand and have been using it for weeks/months when you don't even have an order placed is kind of mind-boggling.

Also, no one here is "attacking" the device, so there's no need to defend anything. Bringing that sort of mindset to the discussion is probably one of the contributing factors to why so many are getting their backs up about the things you're stating.

Back on topic,
remove the air valve and it'll fit.
I don't think that will work with mine. If I remove it, there's nothing left to connect the oven to the stem:
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The valve is screwed all the way down into the stem and definitely can't go any further. That's exactly where I set it when I want completely open airflow with the Anvil, if I go the opposite way and restrict airflow, the gap will be even larger when connecting the Tornado oven. Even at the completely open setting in the pic you quoted, it seems like I'd still have to cut the top portion off similar to how people are modifying their integrated stems for the oven to sit flush without a gap. Regardless, I'm pretty sure function will be unaffected as the o-rings should provide a more than adequate seal. This doesn't pertain to my personal use case, I just thought I'd share what I'd found while testing out various configurations with it.

Only thing I can say: try one, and you'll know. Coming from the Anvil, I've had to unlearn most of what I knew about that vaporiser and it was my daily driver
This however, is definitely relevant to my interests. I've been using mine regularly for almost 3 years now as I received the Founder's Edition at the end of 2021 so I've definitely developed some muscle memory both with my heating and draw technique. I'm finding the Tornado isn't as automatic as the Anvil was for me, and I'd wager that it's precisely because of this.
My biggest tip is not to try and reproduce Anvil hits. Low heat is where this vape shines for me. I don’t use the clicks, and have went to a count system. Removing heat before the click and letting the oven do its work. Usually, both clicks will happen as I’m taking my hit. The Forge didn’t require a count method but gave me the idea of removing heat before the click. And I’ll add that too. The Forge/Tornado combo is (was…will be again) the best experience I’ve had vaping.
I've gone the opposite route. I already had my dremel torch and that worked great. Now I've gone on to a kitchen torch at full blast. Takes about 8-10 seconds to get to click. Very interesting vapor and effect. With the anvil I was careful not to combust. With the thermocore oven, RTL gets you into charred territory easily.

Which is why I was so cautious at first with the Tornado and I think I underheated it at first. I'm taking my cue from the Torch concept: get all the energy into the Tornado fast, under 12 seconds. A large torch replicates that. No combustion if you respect the click, smoothness to the vapor and - surprisingly - no perceptible charring
Many thanks for this. I've not quite gotten it dialed in yet, but I'm getting there. I definitely have had much more success going with the fast sub-15 second heat up. Going slower produced a good volume of vapour, but there's this sort of acrid taste that was consistent especially towards the end of the draw.

On a side note, I ran out of flower this week, which is a lot sooner than I normally would given my normal consumption pattern. I realized that I've been loading more into the Tornado than I usually put into my Flowerpot. Sort of gives a different perspective on how I might use it going forward.
 

RedZep

Well-Known Member
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:lol: Sorry, couldn't resist. In all seriousness @RedZep, I don't think most people care about your opinion, or your opinion of other people's opinions, until you've actually tried the device. Arguing with people who have one in hand and have been using it for weeks/months when you don't even have an order placed is kind of mind-boggling.

Also, no one here is "attacking" the device, so there's no need to defend anything. Bringing that sort of mindset to the discussion is probably one of the contributing factors to why so many are getting their backs up about the things you're stating.

Back on topic,

I don't think that will work with mine. If I remove it, there's nothing left to connect the oven to the stem:
tornado6.jpg

The valve is screwed all the way down into the stem and definitely can't go any further. That's exactly where I set it when I want completely open airflow with the Anvil, if I go the opposite way and restrict airflow, the gap will be even larger when connecting the Tornado oven. Even at the completely open setting in the pic you quoted, it seems like I'd still have to cut the top portion off similar to how people are modifying their integrated stems for the oven to sit flush without a gap. Regardless, I'm pretty sure function will be unaffected as the o-rings should provide a more than adequate seal. This doesn't pertain to my personal use case, I just thought I'd share what I'd found while testing out various configurations with it.


This however, is definitely relevant to my interests. I've been using mine regularly for almost 3 years now as I received the Founder's Edition at the end of 2021 so I've definitely developed some muscle memory both with my heating and draw technique. I'm finding the Tornado isn't as automatic as the Anvil was for me, and I'd wager that it's precisely because of this.


Many thanks for this. I've not quite gotten it dialed in yet, but I'm getting there. I definitely have had much more success going with the fast sub-15 second heat up. Going slower produced a good volume of vapour, but there's this sort of acrid taste that was consistent especially towards the end of the draw.

On a side note, I ran out of flower this week, which is a lot sooner than I normally would given my normal consumption pattern. I realized that I've been loading more into the Tornado than I usually put into my Flowerpot. Sort of gives a different perspective on how I might use it going forward.
I'm still getting messages from people. I don't mind responding. I'm not staying away from anger. I just don't want to input with anymore conjecture until I have the device. I'll still be watching the thread.
 
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TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
This just in.... a Tornado blew through my house.

Tldr; I'm very impressed with this device even after a couple of bowls.

So the Tornado landed last night but I was out most of the evening and only got around to unboxing it this morning. While giving it a clean with iso I noticed a fine metal shaving that I removed. Always good to check for these things left over from machining.

I followed @someTooL and @Roffa hints for heating with the Wand to great effect. I filled the (big!) bowl about 3/4 and pre-heated for a few seconds, allowing the heat to redistribute. Then I heated for about 20s. I was trying to actually avoid the click for a tastier hit but I stopped heating just as the first click sounded.

I took a pull with my dimpled j-hook and it immediately milked up with roasty tasting vapor. I remember many in here talking about this flavor and thinking they had combusted - and I fell for it too. I was worried that if I kept pulling the vapor would get more acrid and I'd combust so I just waited about 10-15s seconds, taking tiny sips. My fears were (possibly?) unfounded though because I cleared all the vapor eventually without combusting.

I knew the entire bowl wasn't cleared though, so I just started re-heating with the Wand for about 6-7 flashes at a time and I was able to get super tasty big draws. The vapor just kept going and going and it was all really flavorful. I probably re-heated about 4 times to finish the bowl. That second atomizer stage is definitely doing something because the vapor was thick and smooth. I never coughed and it never felt hot with my simple j-hook.

As @someTooL said, the key for flavor is to remove the Wand *before* the first click by counting flashes and watching for cues like wisps of vapor. I've only tried two bowls but I'm already getting better at this. The device is *very* heat sensitive so it's capable of RTL stuff easily but you can also play it like a violin with gentle heating and get amazing flavorful draws out of it.

All my practice with the IH mod to the Vaponic for use with the Wand seems to have paid off because heating the Tornado is similar. It doesn't respond well to overheating. If you don't want to heat to the click and get a RTL experience, you can play the game of "how close can I get to the click before removing the heat" and you will get big tasty hits.

 
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SillyNotMe

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Try stopping heat shy of the click. While most of my experience with the Tornado has been with the Forge, it taught me about heat transfer and lag time. I ignore the clicks with my Anvil + Forge combination.
 

Vapetothegrave

Vape2thegrave
Company Rep
This is not exactly true. The airflow can be adjusted by how deep you screw the bowl into the Tornado.
I've tried this but the airholes in the bowl are too close to the theads, it just let's in too much fresh air with not enough surface area to heat it. Have you had success increasing airflow with the same thickness doing that?
 

eyevape

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I've tried this but the airholes in the bowl are too close to the theads, it just let's in too much fresh air with not enough surface area to heat it. Have you had success increasing airflow with the same thickness doing that?
I must say that I haven’t been trying it fully open, I use to back it up only like a 1/3 turn from being fully closed in order not to heat-lock it. Never felt the need for more airflow honestly. Before I replied to you I sucked directly at the Tornado WPA while turning the bowl. This definitely affected the airflow, that’s why I insisted, but I didn’t try it in action. If this doesn’t work due to not enough hot surface area, which sounds plausible, I‘m wrong with my take. Pretty sure I read somewhere that the airflow is regulated at the cap, but this may be one of Vestratto‘s initial plans that have died in the making.
 
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TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
Some follow-up thoughts... I've been heating the Tornado freehand with the Wand while it's in my j-hook and so far haven't encountered any Wand errors. Either it's not enough data points yet or maybe the error is more likely to happen when the Wand is stable? There's some wobble holding it freehand so idk 🤷‍♂️

I haven't had the cap stick by dialing it back a quarter turn or so - no problems with sticking caps. My hat is off to Vestratto for creating such a heat-efficient device. The Wand alone can roast a large bowl to complete extraction in 20s or so when heating to click or you can remove the Wand early and make the session last longer with great taste.

I think the Tornado takes the crown for the best dynavap-style metal vape tip currently. I have a Dani, a Stunner and several Dynavaps and none of them comes close to the efficiency and power of the Tornado. Very impressed with the taste you can achieve with the right heating too. I'm looking forward to finding a great cooling stem to pair this with. Are there no options outside of the OG Anvil stem or cutting the integrated stem? I think I remember seeing a 3rd party selling an adapter recently... 🤔

Edit: Just had another bowl and it was the easiest yet. Here's my procedure.

A little warmup of about 7 flashes with Wand,
pause for 10sec then heat for about 16 flashes, preferably before the click. Big draws until vapor stops.
Reheat with 7-8 flashes - big draws until vapor stops - repeat until bowl is done.

I haven't really said much about the high but damn, it's most excellent. Very powerful and enjoyable. I am really liking this thing.
 
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