Discontinued ThermoVape Evolution
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jambandphan03
in flavor country
ah thanks. My kit made it to the Portland dispatch, so maybe tomorrow... or Fri, Eugene post office can be slow sometimes, hell, everything is slow in Eugene...hahaha
havealight101
Norski
Why dont you just state that you need a mod capable of 5.4(+/-) amps @ 3.7v(and other needed specs), which there is only a handful out there.. Your new warning on the website is kind of vague, really only covers your butt, and is not focussed on protecting your patients(clients) assets(ego/any mod that cant wack it) or worst case scenerio(i like those for safety) your clients wellfare. With that said, just give us full specs needed for proper and safe operation, let us figure out if our mod is up to it, might as well leave that vague warning up also.
Now onto "Ego" batts. I dont think anyone here believes they work, and yet to hear someone pop up and say anything about their ego working "ok" with it, which is your implied testimg results with your "real" ego"s. Im calling BS, aint no way these work with them, I know it, you know it, but some folks(alot of folks) may not, and you seem to not care about people ruining their ecig batteries...marketing??? Ive never heared of any ego, real or not, that is ment for .9 ohm atty's(EVO's) w/5.4amps switch. Here is a quote to think about "Low Resistance(less than 2.0 ohms) atomizers and cartomizers should not be used with eGo batteries."...and e-cig guys aren't trying to hold 20 watts for 2 minutes at a time.
http://www.madvapes.com/MadVapes-510-Ego-Mega-Dual-Coil-Clear-Cartomizer-Kit_p_3160.html
Now, I dont want a replacment eGo, ill burn my other one for science(on video for ya), hell bet i could burn 10 in 20 minutes, but I just feel many other people, patients/vaporist would benifit from some more knowledge on the website (FC aint the only place where specs are benificial).
It would be interesting to know how your tests went with the ego, It seems like it was a glow test... if it glows it works??? Did you stress test them, say maybe a 2-3 min but press by tricking the auto shut-off?
Ego is just 1 of hundreds of batteries, there are so many variables in cheap batts out there, and most of them are cheap and are no where near sufficient to power 20w 5.4amp .9ohms safetly at the amount of time needed to vape a few pulls with warm up time.
Please dont take this as a attack, take it as a gut check, admit it, It does not "open a whole world of devices that can now be a high performance, American made, Medical Device grade, botanical vaporizer"ThermovapeTim, but only "works" on a select few.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
This is what I was trying to say, but couldn't find the right way to say it last night... simple facts that let the end user make an educated decision.
Just to add to the fray, the LV Evo will not fire/work on a Roughstack w/
18350 1200mah. The LV Evo will not fire/work on a Bolt w/ 18650 1600 mah.
I did have success with the standard Evo on a mod that uses the original
CR123's. However, the case of the unit got so hot that I would not feel safe
to operate it on a regular basis. So, it appears that the original TV power sources
are the best bet for safe/dependable operation. I appreciate the effort by TV
to cater to our wishes. I will stick w/ the original T1 for herbs......
18350 1200mah. The LV Evo will not fire/work on a Bolt w/ 18650 1600 mah.
I did have success with the standard Evo on a mod that uses the original
CR123's. However, the case of the unit got so hot that I would not feel safe
to operate it on a regular basis. So, it appears that the original TV power sources
are the best bet for safe/dependable operation. I appreciate the effort by TV
to cater to our wishes. I will stick w/ the original T1 for herbs......
2clicker
Observer
what size rough stack are you running? the original smaller one? i ask because my roughstack maxi with AW 17670 pushes my LV Evo with great results. it gets hot yes, but that is the case with any device i would think.
for the record i did try to use a foil dummy cell in my roughstack maxi with one single 18350 and could not get it to fire. i assumed the dummy cell i made was the cause. here is a link to a site with cr123a dummy cells for two bucks ea.
http://www.batteryjunction.com/dummy-cr123a.html
im probably going to order one and try it in the same setup.
im surprised you cant get the bolt x 18650 to work... you sure the contacts are... contacting...?
Roughstack has a 3A switch. I'm not sure about the Bolt but they're made by smoktech and I wouldn't expect it to be over-engineered so it probably has a similar limit.
And those 1200 mAh 18350s are probably not high-drain batts. Their protection circuit may have been cutting you out.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
Yay, my kit and my extra batteries have both made it to the Eugene P.O. 
should see them today! I'll come back after a quality session w/ the kit and let y'all know how it goes. Crossing my fingers and toes... 
should see them today! I'll come back after a quality session w/ the kit and let y'all know how it goes. Crossing my fingers and toes...
jambandphan03
in flavor country
I am pretty sure that means don't show or say anything that is considered illegal. No one can tell what you have in your vaporizer, so just use words like botanical and don't show close ups of the material in question, and you should be good... I read on their FB page, that though it is legal in some states, since it is still federally illegal, they have to honor that level, and won't use vids if the line is crossed.
@greenbean,
Big thanks for the info, I figured the switch on both devices would limit the performance.
@2click, I am using the small Roughstack, and the Bolt was connected well, just won't push
enough electrons to get the job done.... Thanks for the replies....
Hey jammie, want to try an LV Evo, I don't have enough juice to run one. I know you have
some cells/cases that may do a better job......
Big thanks for the info, I figured the switch on both devices would limit the performance.
@2click, I am using the small Roughstack, and the Bolt was connected well, just won't push
enough electrons to get the job done.... Thanks for the replies....
Hey jammie, want to try an LV Evo, I don't have enough juice to run one. I know you have
some cells/cases that may do a better job......
The Evolution-LV is a powerful 20Watt core, we don't promise that it works perfectly on ego batteries. we do promise that it will work perfectly on our 3.7V set-up though.
Its kind of like when people do big engine swaps in little tiny cars, while they may have an engine that runs perfectly they will have to make sure their fuel system is up for the challenge.
We are always trying to make our devices work on other manufactures devices, but theres only so much we can do.
I just did a 2 min stress test on my 510 Ego battery and a 2 min test on a m601 ego battery. Both worked enough to get good vapor from even though the batteries were getting pretty hot, with enough cool-off time in between they were able to significantly drop in temperature.
The 510 ego is my own personal one ive had for a year or so, its been beat to hell and has a ton of charges on its record. Maybe mine just happened to be the golden egg of Ego batteries, but it still worked!
Cheers,
Tim
jambandphan03
in flavor country
(if that was meant for me) I have one now, and one in the kit that should be here today, so I think I'm set for a while. Thanks!!
Hello Tim, thanks for the response. I realize that TV tries to make their gear able to
work from others' power sources. I was reporting my results just so others might
know what "not to buy". Personally, I look forward to the LV T1. I know the 6v Evo
rocks, just need more practice.....
work from others' power sources. I was reporting my results just so others might
know what "not to buy". Personally, I look forward to the LV T1. I know the 6v Evo
rocks, just need more practice.....
jambandphan03
in flavor country
2 mins isn't really much of a stress test. I ran mine for maybe 10 mins off and on, it got pretty hot before it would produce decent vapor. I did not realize at first that my battery was getting messed up, It worked fine for a couple of loads, up to the point when I went back to it the next day, and no workie... It took more than 2 mins to mess it up, but it was misleading because it was KIND OF working, so I kept on going with it which is what sealed it's doom I am sure. The pitfall is having to get it up to temp for good vapor production, which overheats the battery. (I would love to know where you found the M601 ego batt)
jambandphan03
in flavor country
jambandphan03
in flavor country
OK!! Got the kit put the battery on to charge, light turned green after a minute or so, loaded a fresh med. ground bowl about 1/2 way full, Popped on the heat core (using my 510 extended adapter to give more of a heat buffer between the core and the body) Let it heat for about a count of 20 sec... and started a slow even draw, and VISIBLE VAPOR!! I kept the switch on, took another pull, and MORE VAPOR!! I did a 3rd pull and still hitting like a CHAMP! I would say easily equal to Bruno's video right out of the package. Now the true test is to see how performance holds out over more use. I am just so glad it is working as it should. I set it down to type this and just checked, it's cooled down considerably, but still a bit warm. Did another 10 sec. warm up and got 2 more big rips. I use the touch test, once the bottom of the heat core starts to feel too hot to touch, it's ready to hit. Works for me anyway. So there you go. The anticipation and build up end in happy results! I'm feeling my medication, so I'm going to go enjoy my day. See y'all in a bit.
put the battery on to charge, light turned green after a minute or so, loaded a fresh med. ground bowl about 1/2 way full, Popped on the heat core (using my 510 extended adapter to give more of a heat buffer between the core and the body) Let it heat for about a count of 20 sec... and started a slow even draw, and VISIBLE VAPOR!! I kept the switch on, took another pull, and MORE VAPOR!! I did a 3rd pull and still hitting like a CHAMP! I would say easily equal to Bruno's video right out of the package. Now the true test is to see how performance holds out over more use. I am just so glad it is working as it should. I set it down to type this and just checked, it's cooled down considerably, but still a bit warm. Did another 10 sec. warm up and got 2 more big rips. I use the touch test, once the bottom of the heat core starts to feel too hot to touch, it's ready to hit. Works for me anyway. So there you go. The anticipation and build up end in happy results! I'm feeling my medication, so I'm going to go enjoy my day. See y'all in a bit.
2clicker
Observer
so i just went through another bowl, but this time i removed the mouthpiece and ran it straight through the downstem on my straight tube. once heated properly it produce some very decent rips. then i noticed the tube/gong coupler ive been using with my Dart sitting there, and how it would make for a nice long "sherlocky" make shift mouthpiece. so i popped the TV mouthpiece back on, then the tube set up and began to rip it some more. the 14mm gong joint was a little large for my lips as a mouthpiece, but it still worked really well. i was not getting any hot vapor or "throat hit" with the extended piece. here is a pic.
im starting to think that if you pull faster when its up to temp that you get bigger clouds. pulling slow is good when warming, but after that i feel a faster draw is needed for maximum vapor production. i also think pulling to slowly was the cause for my slightly charred specs in my first 2 bowls. havent had any since.
btw i am sitting down right now...
im starting to think that if you pull faster when its up to temp that you get bigger clouds. pulling slow is good when warming, but after that i feel a faster draw is needed for maximum vapor production. i also think pulling to slowly was the cause for my slightly charred specs in my first 2 bowls. havent had any since.
btw i am sitting down right now...
darkrom
Great Scott!
im starting to think that if you pull faster when its up to temp that you get bigger clouds. pulling slow is good when warming, but after that i feel a faster draw is needed for maximum vapor production. i also think pulling to slowly was the cause for my slightly charred specs in my first 2 bowls. havent had any since.
btw i am sitting down right now...
Thats how it seems to work with the T1 so it would make sense. It is convection after all.
Sorry I can't mind my own business but that looks like a Roughstack. Its switch is rated at 3A so you'll probably kill it with the Evo LV. New switch assemblies are only $15 and it's a solid piece of work for the price so if you feel like trying it, go ahead, but be mindful that the switch isn't suited for this purpose.
