OF
Well-Known Member
Your very welcome, glad to help when I can.
All solid choices with good logic behind them I think. Good luck.
OF
Discontinued ThermoVape Evolution
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Your very welcome, glad to help when I can.
All solid choices with good logic behind them I think. Good luck.
OF
hanfhead
is high
I was lucky and snagged jambandphan03's LV EVO from the classifieds and have joined in on testing for almost two weeks now. Results looking good. So good in fact I have taken advantage of the current sale and grabbed a t1, batteries and a few mouthpieces to play with as I like the EVO without the black ptfe. For some reason I am not getting much as hard as I try with the sleeve on. I can get great hits without it. After a few burns I learned my lesson and ordered a few different longer mouthpieces to try. Next I will need to head over to the revolution thread and figure out which concentrate pieces to get, I have a surplus of bubble hash to test one out with.
Cereus
Member
Hi folks
I have the sv evolution and have since day one seen one big fault with it, lots of heat is wasted and then so is power. The whole unit is one big heat sink and to much of the heat is dissipated. I wish that there was some insulation between the cart and base unit. and a longer "metal" stem under the heating core that the heat shield covered to preheat the air with the "waste heat".
I get high with the unit but only after drawing in lots of hot dry air. my home unit is so much better that I'm almost ready to retire the evo if I can not get it to work better.
as a side note I have the rev dart and lowe that one, it hits like a monster and is fast and efficient.
I have the sv evolution and have since day one seen one big fault with it, lots of heat is wasted and then so is power. The whole unit is one big heat sink and to much of the heat is dissipated. I wish that there was some insulation between the cart and base unit. and a longer "metal" stem under the heating core that the heat shield covered to preheat the air with the "waste heat".
I get high with the unit but only after drawing in lots of hot dry air. my home unit is so much better that I'm almost ready to retire the evo if I can not get it to work better.
as a side note I have the rev dart and lowe that one, it hits like a monster and is fast and efficient.
Vape N Bake
Disturbed
I have an LV Evo and have been using the same two batteries for about 3 months. I use it daily and they are still going strong. What kind of life can we expect out of these? I make sure not to get them too hot and not to drain them too much.
ru_frothi
Portable Vaporist
The Evo and the T1 are a bag of mixed emotions in my case. I finally figured out how to get decent hits out of both of them. It took some practice for sure.... Even though I now have it dialed in I still don't find myself satisfied for a number of reasons....
The Bad:
1. Full Hits.... Even the best hits of the T1 or Evo can't compare to my EQ or Solo. There just not in the same league of vapor. T1 is more like a super MFLB than a Solo and thats not a good thing.
2. Battery life is awful on the T1 and some what acceptable on the Evo.
3. Lack of temp control etc makes learning these devices much harder than it should be!
4. Taste: This is a tricky one. The T1 gives you more consistent flavor throughout the bowl. My Solo gives you much richer more concentrated flavor on the first few hits and then more popcorn. Its really a trade off! Do you like weaker flavor throughout the bowl or rich flavor during the beginning of the bowl. I really prefer the later....
5. Heat: The whole thing gets way way to hot..... With the solo for example the whole unit stays cool and only the very bottom of stem is hot. The TV my hand gets hot, my lips get hot, and my throat is hoarse from all the dry hot air I had to inhale to get a decent hit. The Evo works so much better without the Teflon insulator but its kind of scary having that hot metal unprotected close to your face. The teflon insulator seems to get keep the evo from reaching proper vape temps.
6. Smoothness: The TV T1 is 2nd harshest vape (behind the eclipse essential vaap) that I have ever tried. Because its pure convection and there is an abundance of hot air which makes the hits harsher than other vapes I am postulating. Pure convection without moisture seems to dictate this but maybe I'm wrong.
7. Lack of full extraction. I can take the ABV from my T1 or My evo and put in the Solo and get more medicated. Even keep it for the next day and hit it sober and easily get medicated in the solo. Who knows maybe its the lack of temp control circuitry but it doesn't seem to get hot enough to do full extraction.
8. Hate the switch. I love the idea of its simplicity and lack of voltage drop but I keep having issues with mine not working. Really tired of taking it apart. Had the T1 all loaded and ready to go to show some friends the other day and the switch wont work. Had to bust out the Solo, again!. The solo has some flaws as well, but being reliable, ease of use, and getting me medicated are not among its flaws.
The good:
1. Like the modularity
2. Love that its made in Cali
3. Love the support from TV here and at at shows
4. Love the build quality and the materials....
I certainly help Tim and The TV crew have the bar aimed higher for the next round. I want to support an American company using high quality goods and employing Californians and Americans, but I want my products to work reliably, be easy to use, and extract well. The Revolution fits this description except for power switch issues....
Thats really about it. I want to really like the TV T1 and Evo like I do my Revolutions/Darts but they make it so hard. I bought a ton of their products but they are not the end game for me. Too many limitations to really use as a portable. Lets see if the PAX or inhalator can do better (It sounds from early reviews that both of these might have the feaure set I am looking for).
YoGranMazPimp
I Vapes Hard
I found my dis-satisfaction with the TV came from unreasonable expectations on my behalf, once i cleared that up, i enjoy it more. The issue was i compared it to my heavy hitter. Of course its hits will be less than a home unit, i told myself, its a portable. And for portable use, it works great. T1 is my fave of all the attachments.
ru_frothi
Portable Vaporist
Certainly ones expectations play a large part. My reference has always been the solo which is more like a super IoLite than a TV and its not quite as portable and certainly not pocketable but then again it hits like an SSV! The TV doesn't hit as well as an ioLite. From the videos I'm seeing the PAX and inhalator handily beat it in vapor production despite being the same size. I pretty sure time will show there are other designs coming out in this form factor that will far outperform the T1 or Evo IMO. I think its just not the best design and expectations are a big issue. I expect a class leading product and I think this is basically a middle of the road product at best.
Cereus
Member
Thanks for your good replies, they reflect my experience with this devise. I love the design and look, and feel that it should work, but some minor detail is wrong. As I mentioned and you eluded to, so much heat is drawn away from the herb by the metal parts or teflon/delrin. The air should be hot enough to vaporise a full herb chamber but I find that it does not do that easily. There has to be a solution for this. I might try to make a wooden insulator and stem as a substitute for the Teflon/delrin pieces, wood insulates better but is potentially a fire hazard. I have some ebony and other hard woods that I have used for building both pipes and my home made halogen vapouriser (do a google search and you'll see it) I even consider making a herb chamber/stem to insert in to th herb chamber of the evo to see if the metal of the camber itself is the problem.
I might take out the tools and wood tonight, and see if I can make something that will work.
I might take out the tools and wood tonight, and see if I can make something that will work.
Cereus
Member
I jumped back and forth trough this tread and found some one using an 510 extension piece,(on page 97) that was on another base unit, but that might be a good solution. that would perhaps draw less heat from the heating chamber and so increase the effect of the evo. It cost about 1$ but shipping would be 20$ to me in Norway, and I can not find anything like it here.
the laws here makes nicotine for e-sig' illegal so no one is selling these kind of accessories.
the laws here makes nicotine for e-sig' illegal so no one is selling these kind of accessories.
kushcabbage
vapor nerd
the exact extension he used ended up over heating and popped the small wire inside the extension, couldn't take the heat. There is another type of extension called a sealed shorty extension, but they really aren't meant for multiple ones stacked on top of each other.
You can also use a "charging extension" which is still 510->510 but much longer.
Here's the first one in Google (not where I got mine) - like "shorty"s, they come sealed and unsealed (sealed is better for _us_):
http://stormysvaporcellar.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=643
-NDA
kushcabbage
vapor nerd
Here is one that is located in Europe, might be cheaper shipping?, I believe it's a sealed adapter like the one Nick Again posted. http://vapourtopia.co.uk/products/510-extension-charging-adapterI jumped back and forth trough this tread and found some one using an 510 extension piece,(on page 97) that was on another base unit, but that might be a good solution. that would perhaps draw less heat from the heating chamber and so increase the effect of the evo. It cost about 1$ but shipping would be 20$ to me in Norway, and I can not find anything like it here.
Polmol
Member
To Pipes and all the men who love to invent. Why can't something be made to keep the vape moisturized so you don't have to pull out a big bong? Can't something with a little water be put in line and held? Put those thinking caps on boys.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys but isn't the Smooth-Flow made for that very reason?
http://thermovape.com/collections/b...s-parts/products/in-line-moisture-conditioner
TheDudeNextDoor
Abiding
Surely that was meant ironically?
Polmol
Member
I'd say... half-ironically
I don't have a smooth-flow but the description seems to be pretty clear
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Yea but if you read the reviews it makes the pull harder. I thought the same thing as you did but I suppose that a bong with water is way different. I was just putting a challenge out for fun since I consider this the love of modding thread. I just picture a little glass bubble smaller then a golf ball, underneath between the body and the straw on any vape.
Polmol
Member
Speaking of pull, I'm thinking that may be the biggest problem with the Evo. The four holes are not enough IMO. I wonder if they tried a prototype with more holes... if so then maybe too much air cools the little core too much? And if you put in a bigger core, then you'll need stronger batteries?
So the real problem is batteries?
So the real problem is batteries?
Thought about it. How about this. Maybe over-engineered??To Pipes and all the men who love to invent. Why can't something be made to keep the vape moisturized so you don't have to pull out a big bong? Can't something with a little water be put in line and held? Put those thinking caps on boys.
Seriously, TV has their pureflow as stated, but has some restriction as also stated.
I did find a couple things that might be of interest.
here and here.
Pipes
420AmandaMarie84
Member
Just like an IBM computer from the 50's, it only takes up one roomThought about it. How about this. Maybe over-engineered??
Pipes
Cereus
Member
I do not think this is the problem, When I made my homemade vapouriser restricting the air flow was essential to getting it to work correctly. it is a complex problem my heater(a halogen light bulb) generates 200w. To get the air to be hot enough I built a chamber that heats a certain amount of air and wound a metal coil around the bulb to increase the surface area. that and restricting the air flow somewhat made it into something I have been using daily the last 5 years.
The evo core generates more heat than we need so if the air is to restricted and little to no heat was dispersed trough the metal our herb would burn. So the designers have been tweaking the balance between restricting air flow and heat dispersal, but using so much metal I believe that to much heat is drawn away from the hot air reaching the herb. There could be lots of different solutions to the problem I see in the evo, but many will not be right for the guys that make it. such as using wood as an insulator. but trying out different designs on the heating core/herb chamber could solve it and make this vapouriser in to something a lot better.
It would be interesting to see the different designs they considered and tried out before releasing the evo.
I would design a new heating core/herb chamber solution. perhaps bigger air heating chamber with more heated surface area. a wider and shorter herb chamber perhaps lined with an insulating ceramic or something.
Or designing a new insulating sleeve drawing in air close to the top of the heating chamber so that the air preheats.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
go ahead and try it, hope you enjoy it!
OF
Well-Known Member
Gots to be careful of the details here, there are two different units. Pure Flow will filter and add moisture, it's hard to pull through as any filter will be. True Flow, OTHO, is a tube you draw the hit through, it offers no significant restriction but does add the moisture. Or is it the other way around......
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/pure-flow
http://thermovape.com/collections/all/products/in-line-moisture-conditioner
OF
