Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
I've already pinned down the issue with the slight tilt. I changed the way the unit is held in the vice for this current batch when drilling the taper hole, and another Elite issue solved rapidly. So much for the first batch being cosmetically perfect, but pretty damn close. Thankfully, it's slight and doesn't effect anything. Actually, it gives me a bit of an idea for a future Elite where the tapered bowl is on an angle. Interesting idea...
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
I'm with @HerbieVonVapster , i never had and have no doubts the Elite rocks. Indeed with iHeat/DNA or even when thinking of my Log vape with Voltage power supply, regulated power as far more advantages over unregulated power.

The trick was to get the power of a log/vvps into a portable vape. Something I expressed to Alan a few moons ago and that I'm sure that many others have too. Thankfully Alan doesn't only recognize but listens to customer feedback too. The surge of 510 cartridges offered that power, now the Elite is the new vape to beat by the sounds of it .

Edit : does the tilt affect the tube fit or performance ? Cool of you to offer a new unit at your cost , shows your level of commitment towards customer satisfaction . You could probably sell those units to people who don't mind if it doesn't affect anything. My cosmetically flawed Classic works like a Champ!
 
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nonbeliever

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To great surprise and delight, my cherry Elite has arrived! Here my Lil Walnut is introducing the Elite to the neighborhood.

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It got here yesterday, so I've been playing with it non-stop since then. As a starter, a couple of nuances I'll share first.

There is a very different usage model between the elite and the Classic, at least for me. I am very used to the "self-regulation" aspect of the Classic, where my breath is more the control factor than the coil/switch. With the Elite, my breath controls how big I want the hit to be (volume wise), the Elite is doing all the hard work of managing the hit. LOVE IT! It is very repeatable, since the temp is the same, the wattage the same, the only thing that changes over the course of the bowl is how baked the flower gets, and that is what really effects how and when you change settings.

The Elite is the same beautiful craftsmanship as the Classic, is comfortable to hold - (something I was wondering about as it is a bit bigger than the Classic), and the hits I think are actually better than the Classic - having the computer managing the puff makes it cleaner. That's not to say you still can't char some flower (especially if you muck with settings - see below).

I have no prior experience with 510 vapes (or for that matter "programmable" vapes), so some of the discussion you all have is tongues to me. that said, I get some of it. In the tech support world, we used to have a saying that we would scream when we got of the phone with someone - READ THE FUCKING MANUAL!

I haven't. Still. But I will. Really.

Just because I haven't read the manual, doesn't mean I still haven't mucked around with settings. I have.

@HerbieVonVapster - thanks you for all of your knowledge transfer efforts - it slowly is making sense.

Mike, a few bits of user feedback as you are developing the supporting materials for this.

What impact do various settings have - like ohms, versus watts versus what have you? maybe this is something you don't put in the manual, but is there a primer somewhere that we can see how these various setting might impact the Elite?

Could we get a listing of what your default profile settings are set to in the user manual? and perhaps even what they should be set to (like what should the coil be?) I know I have messed up at least one of them when I said yes to it being a new coil on one of the profiles and now it runs *very* warm on that profile (almost combusted a flower puck using it).

Is there a way to lock down that function so it doesn't ask? Reality is we are never putting in a new coil, and I certainly don't want to reprogram it on the fly again.

It would also be helpful to have a list of things you shouldn't do (like respond yes to that question). Also maybe a quick matrix that says what setting impact what (like the coil thing making the unit/profiles run warmer.

This thing is incredible. I have a feeling my Lil Walnut is going to be upset.......
 
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HerbieVonVapster

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It's all I've been using with my iHeat/DNA mod as well . I get my fat rips by extracting at lower temps which give super smooth quality vapor with no worries of scorching or darkening a load too fast .

The shorter stock tubes do give the same effect . the Elite must be a joy , can't wait


I think your really going like it. Compared to iheat the elite has more draw restriction. Using a bit lower wattage than iheat using same profile. Not sure if that's due to drawing air faster with iheat or improvement of direct wiring the core.

I think the slower draw rate also contributes to the even temperature graphs I'm seeing with the elite. Been comparing the stock 316 to iheat and DJLSB 316L but can only vape so much.

Edit : does the tilt affect the tube fit or performance ? Cool of you to offer a new unit at your cost , shows your level of commitment towards customer satisfaction . You could probably sell those units to people who don't mind if it doesn't affect anything. My cosmetically flawed Classic works like a Champ!

Really can't see it affecting the performance. It tilts slightly towards the user any other direction mighta been annoying.

When you buy into a prototype you expect little things to pop up. I didn't even notice the tilt till @duff posted his.


@HerbieVonVapster - thanks you for all of your knowledge transfer efforts - it slowly is making sense.

Yeah trying keep it at a simple level. Escribe backs up setting the first time you hook it up. So all Mikes Original files are saved and can be reloaded. Do you happen to know the cold ohms. I asked Mike earlier if was seeing much variance in them.

The reason it's asking for a new coil is switching profiles. If you doing that well coils is still warm it's thinking wait a min this coils not matching my cold ohms? So its going ask if new coil.

Not sure in stock setting if you can change them. If you can the change cold ohm to same one in the other profiles Mike installed. Mine where set at .34
 
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nonbeliever

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Escribe backs up setting the first time you hook it up. So all Mikes Original files are saved and can be reloaded

And that there is the rub. I haven't even tried to connect it to an ecribe system, so I suspect it will back up the existing profiles rather than the original ones?
 

nonbeliever

Well-Known Member
I've already pinned down the issue with the slight tilt. I changed the way the unit is held in the vice for this current batch when drilling the taper hole, and another Elite issue solved rapidly. So much for the first batch being cosmetically perfect, but pretty damn close. Thankfully, it's slight and doesn't effect anything. Actually, it gives me a bit of an idea for a future Elite where the tapered bowl is on an angle. Interesting idea...


Instant collector items!
 
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nonbeliever

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So it ends up, ohms were at .38 in TC 1 when it came as close as it could have to combusting (when I took the tube out, the flower puck was smoldering. I suspect as well that it might have been a rather long hit too lol)... I would be careful about that with the higher temperature profiles. And do not press YES to reset the coil if the unit has heated at all.

I'm starting to get the hang of it - it is very simple... More about understanding what these functions do in relation to the Elite. We should use the International Version of escribe?
 
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HerbieVonVapster

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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Now this is what I want to see, real discussion on the how to tweak the Elite. It's the kind of thing that can be used as is out of the box, or (big or) tweaked endlessly using multiple interacting variables that include power, preheat, punch, temp protection, replay, ohms. Make sure you know how to get back to that good hit, and then just experiment. With the help of the Elite community, we will figure out the best settings for the DNA board that pairs with dry herb. This is ground breaking stuff.

Made some good progress on my batch of 15. Everything is pre-assembled. I went to a smaller screw to attach the wire box (four #2 x 3/8 panhead vs two #4 x 3/8 countersunk). The plan is to sink the back plate flush to match the cover plate. This required the battery compartment to be 1 mm or so deeper to accommodate the groove for the back plate. It should have a nice feel with a flush back plate. I love the way the cover plate sits flush, and felt this might be the best option for the back plate as well. With a little bumping around of interior specs, it was an easy tweak.

Looking forward to getting this batch finalized and out by the end of the month.
 

duff

Well worn
Just more of my observations/opinions so far:
  • A load in this guy is getting me very medicated.
  • I am getting at least 8 loads per battery. With the current battery I'm 5 bowls in and the mod reads 66% battery life. That is outstanding.
  • The 25-27 watt range suits my style the best. I don't stir and taste is a priority for me. As long as I don't hot spot, taste is great . When I go on TC at 370 and 27 watts, I get about 5 delicious hits.
  • The hits can be as big/heavy as you want. At 28 + watts, the hits are massive.
  • The heater is fast and retains some heat after you release the button (so keep sucking to properly finish the load). Pulsing (both long and short pulses) works great with the Elite and gives me more control of my experience.
  • I have put it in my coat pocket many times. The stem feels very secure and safe.
  • The Elite feels great in hand but it is wide.
  • The battery door is awesome. It couldn't be easier to slide it straight up yet it hasn't accidentally opened on me once.
 

GreenHopper

20 going on 60
UK LBE has arrived, its smaller than I was expecting.

Not had a chance to test it yet but I got a weekend coming up.

One issue I have found on my prototype unit is the USB port for charging. I have tried 3x different micro USB cables and only one of them appears to be charging the unit. I suspect some micro USB plugs are a tad shorter and struggle to make a proper connection.

Something to watch out for and maybe add to a troubleshooting section of the manual.

Really looking forward to having a play this weekend. I was supprised at how different the tone of the end grain pieces were from the rest of the body. It's a lovely aesthetic, the buttons are also excellent.
 

Easywider

Simple is the way
Just more of my observations/opinions so far:
  • A load in this guy is getting me very medicated.
  • I am getting at least 8 loads per battery. With the current battery I'm 5 bowls in and the mod reads 66% battery life. That is outstanding.
  • The 25-27 watt range suits my style the best. I don't stir and taste is a priority for me. As long as I don't hot spot, taste is great . When I go on TC at 370 and 27 watts, I get about 5 delicious hits.
  • The hits can be as big/heavy as you want. At 28 + watts, the hits are massive.
  • The heater is fast and retains some heat after you release the button (so keep sucking to properly finish the load). Pulsing (both long and short pulses) works great with the Elite and gives me more control of my experience.
  • I have put it in my coat pocket many times. The stem feels very secure and safe.
  • The Elite feels great in hand but it is wide.
  • The battery door is awesome. It couldn't be easier to slide it straight up yet it hasn't accidentally opened on me once.
That is some really incredible battery life!
 

HerbieVonVapster

Well-Known Member
One issue I have found on my prototype unit is the USB port for charging. I have tried 3x different micro USB cables and only one of them appears to be charging the unit. I suspect some micro USB plugs are a tad shorter and struggle to make a proper connection.
You need a data coil to hook up to escribe. Not sure on just charging. In retail package hopefully Mike will included a cable. A 6' be great for using it with device manager.

Now this is what I want to see, real discussion on the how to tweak the Elite. It's the kind of thing that can be used as is out of the box, or (big or) tweaked endlessly using multiple interacting variables that include power, preheat, punch, temp protection, replay, ohms. Make sure you know how to get back to that good hit, and then just experiment. With the help of the Elite community, we will figure out the best settings for the DNA board that pairs with dry herb. This is ground breaking stuff.

Totally agree are you able to host files on your web site? Might be worth having a place to download the newest version. If needed I can toss a copy up over at FCSHARE for now.
 

GreenHopper

20 going on 60
You need a data coil to hook up to escribe. Not sure on just charging. In retail package hopefully Mike will included a cable. A 6' be great for using it with device manager.

I took a small bit of sandpaper and gently sanded the section where the port is and now all three cables are working :tup:

I took off a tiny amount, less than 0.25ml. After applying some of @Ed's TnT's BombAssButter you can't see where I sanded it.

@HerbieVonVapster I also want to say thanks for all your eScribe and DNA guidance. Not had a chance to implement it yet but I feel alot more confident going in armed with the knowledge you have shared.
 

Ed's TnT

Woodsman
Manufacturer
I took a small bit of sandpaper and gently sanded the section where the port is and now all three cables are working :tup:

I took off a tiny amount, less than 0.25ml. After applying some of @Ed's TnT's BombAssButter you can't see where I sanded it.

@HerbieVonVapster I also want to say thanks for all your eScribe and DNA guidance. Not had a chance to implement it yet but I feel alot more confident going in armed with the knowledge you have shared.

BAB rules bro
 

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
I am getting at least 8 loads per battery. With the current battery I'm 5 bowls in and the mod reads 66% battery life. That is outstanding.

And this is not a battery you received with your LBE, correct? Meaning it's already seen some use... that's very good battery life.

Your usage is very similar to mine (dump when taste goes, no stir) so I'm very excited to hear how things continue to roll along over in Big Duffyville.
 

nonbeliever

Well-Known Member
Road Trip today!

Out and about most of the day (8:15am - 4:45pm), never changed battery. Charged nicely in the car when needed once in the am, and once in the afternoon (put on charger at around 72-75%) - yes, it was used a lot):

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Charging time - from 75% - 98% (fully charged possibly?) took 30 minutes give or take a few.

Standard mini-USB that came from a phone charger battery/block plugged into cigarette lighter.
 
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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Good Morning Elitists!
Let's address our potential issues

USB Port
There is definitely variety in the depth of micro USB plugs. I have a bunch of them, and one of the short ones didn't reach. I'm glad @GreenHopper that you were able to sand down a hair. The thickness of the cover plate accommodates the custom buttons. If I were to go to all stock buttons, the cover plate would of necessity get thinner. I prefer to stick with the custom buttons, thicker plate, but would rather have ALL usb's work. Another option is to include a USB wire with each Elite. I just ordered a few, decent price, good quality. And as far as the actual USB wire, I've used quite a few to both charge and with the Device Manager on Escribe, all worked well. If I can shave a hair off the cover plate thickness with no *side effects*, I'll probably do that as well.

Charging Batteries
My car charger is a rapid charger (I think that means 2A vs 1A) and I believe Lithium Ion batteries benefit from a slower charge over the long haul. That's not to say that on the go a quick charge isn't exactly what's called for, batteries are pretty cheap. Another amazing option to have that makes Elite even more portable. Thanks for the great pic @nonbeliever .

@duff Great review, you got me curious about really low wattage. The hits are full, thick, so much musky taste. This is another great option to have. The more I use the Elite, the more I think that somebody at Evolv envisioned this set up. The pairing of the @Alan 's coil to the board via an all wood form is almost too good to not have been conceived from scratch. As far as battery life, that is truly amazing. I think battery life is also affected by user vaping style. Some of us tend to lean a bit more on the button than others, maybe even wasting battery life on some spent material. I can get mindless and lazy sometimes. Nice thing about the Elite is you can usually clean out a bowl pretty good, maybe one stir, on lower wattage, where as with the Classic, it's difficult to not combust if you try this. Just an early observation of the differences.
 

bossman

Gentleman Of Leisure

Easywider

Simple is the way
@bossman Thank's for sharing, it's such a great theme. So many settings packed into it there's almost no need for escribe. The colour is intense and turned me from using it for the first little while but now I wouldn't be able to go back.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Nice progress today. My 15 units are coming along nicely. While you guys focus on software, I need to build. I love this time in the build process. The units are starting to look like Elites. All machining done, and what's left woodwork wise is what I have begun to call shaping. Right now all pre-assemblies are square blocks, hard sharp edges that need to stay in place to ensure accuracy. But now it's time to soften, which is more of an art than a science. I use a combination of power (belt and disk sander) and hand (mostly sponge blocks) which I have found to give me the cleanest, smoothest look, in the least amount of time, with the least chance of over sanding. Once that's complete, I'll set aside and go to work on cover plates. Then it's wiring up the boards, forming coils, and dare I say it, final assembly.

FLASH TUBE GIVE-AWAY: Next 3 Elite orders will receive a FREE matching tube, in addition to code ELITIST ($30 off). All orders placed now are slotted to be filled in April.
 

HerbieVonVapster

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Yes battery life is good for a 1 cell. Haven't bothered to install a fresh battery in and run it down and doing lots of test with different material and settings that would affect total. My feeling is with a fresh battery 80 plus hits if not more would be easy doable. It has a 1amp battery charger so can always top off or just carry a extra battery.

Still dialing things in running case thermal analyzer so decided post where things are.

Works excellent in watts and replay. In temperature control works good except running roughly 70 degrees to cool. Trying different material files and other settings. I'm sure by the time batch 2 lands the readout match actually temperatures better. Has a nice range temperature as expected and it's holding set time at one of the best levels I seen. Just readout isn't correct to match actually temperatures.



Couple ways to correct that either a custom material file or increasing cold ohm. Other things effect it like tube size load distance and screen used change things


THEMES are awesome option with DNAC chip. The themes normally won't affect other settings but there are some that are buggy. There tons of optional themes and easy enought to change.


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I have used franks theme but with the DNA250c was causing the throttling issue in the 250c chip. Looks like it's been fixed.

Personally been using this theme. Not as pretty as franks buy find more useful for testing. I'm using iheat profile and stock SS316 material. The DJLSB 316L runs hotter but not as level.

Elitetest.ecigtheme
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
I am so happy to see this discussion. The tweaking of the software is the icing on the cake, but simple watts mode is always there and ready to go. The flush back plates have been built, after a little magnet polarity issue, which necessitated a redo. It's 2 mm's narrower (same width as the cover plate) and will sit proud less than a half a mm. Each one was tightly hand fitted, just like the cover plates will be. The unit should have a bit more symmetrical appearance.

Sales continue to be moderate, but steady. The word about the *wood box mod* is too good to keep quiet, and I want to be ready. The Elite uses more parts than the Classic, some pretty costly. I estimate about $150 worth of parts per unit. The OCD in me wants six months to a year's worth of inventory for me to feel secure in building as fast as possible. Again, an estimate, but I think I can turn out 20 units per month, or about 200 units per year with some Classics as well. Having parts for 100 units would make me very, very happy. I'm prepared to make that commitment, once I see the sales justify the expense.

I realize the only two things in the world I really NEED is weed and LBE parts!

Thanks all for your contribution to the Elite project.
 
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caseball2051

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I've been telling myself that I definitely don't need another vape but watching this develop is making my VAS symptoms creep in...

Really cool to see this go from start to finish.
 
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