The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[Dirigible_Molecule]

I should know tomorrow, I've had a WOHW for a long time and a V1... The V2 I'm hoping will be the portable ball vape. 8)

Good question!

@Werbenjaegermanjensen

 

[HaggisHunter]

I wanted to get some thoughts from folks who’ve had hands-on experience with both the Tempest v2) and a full-on big boy ball vape setup. I’ve never personally owned a desktop ball vape—mostly due to lifestyle reasons. I’m not really into having a permanent setup installed; it just doesn’t fit my day-to-day. I picked up a Tempest V1 a while back as a kind of middle ground, and honestly, it was a perfect fit for what I needed.

The V1 delivered rock solid performance and delicious flavors, I’d say it got me about 70% of the way to what I imagine a full ball vape experience offers.
Now with the Tempest V2 out, with bigger bowl and thermal matrix, I’m curious: for those of you who do own a proper ball vape, how does the Tempest V2 compare? Does it close the gap meaningfully? Does it break through that "good but not quite" ceiling?

I can't answer that fully because I don't have a desktop vape, I also haven't got the 2 fully dialled in yet.
I can say it's worth it.
I'm finding that the effects of everything I have at the moment have gone up a notch.

For instance, I have a low strength balanced 7/7% strain. Normally I have a bowl with the tempest, it reduces my anxietys and the like, enough for me to go about my day and get my work done and wot not, great.
Today, I tried a bowl of it in the 2 just after I finished work, I definitely won't be doing that again during the day, this is the first time I've had a full on slap from that stuff, when I use the gen 1, it comes out well roasted and I feel great, it was as dark today, but yeah I had a full on slap from it that lasted 20-30 minutes before it calmed down and left me in my usual zen like state after using it.
The 2 definitely feels like it's getting a little something extra out of the material.
Maybe it's a placebo, or my mind is playing tricks on me.

 

[FuckPyrolysis]

I’ve soaked my V1 head in iso, fully assembled, and never had any issues. The visual indicator still worked fine after many iso soaks. I think the main thing is to let it fully dry before using.

For an additional data point, I also soak my T1 head in 99% iso when I'm doing the same for the rest of the piece. My click indicators never worked - well, I get one click (the first of the two), so I'm not concerned with how the iso affects the clicks and I rarely rely on the VI.

I use the Wand, and I'm sure I could dial in my heating with the clicks, but at this point I'm not too worried about it. I use temp/time with the first bowl, but after that I use a "feel" for how the Wand will affect the roast. I nail it probably 95% of the time. The other 5%? Well, let's just refer to my username for that answer.

 

[RedZep]

I wanted to get some thoughts from folks who’ve had hands-on experience with both the Tempest v2) and a full-on big boy ball vape setup. I’ve never personally owned a desktop ball vape—mostly due to lifestyle reasons. I’m not really into having a permanent setup installed; it just doesn’t fit my day-to-day. I picked up a Tempest V1 a while back as a kind of middle ground, and honestly, it was a perfect fit for what I needed.

The V1 delivered rock solid performance and delicious flavors, I’d say it got me about 70% of the way to what I imagine a full ball vape experience offers.
Now with the Tempest V2 out, with bigger bowl and thermal matrix, I’m curious: for those of you who do own a proper ball vape, how does the Tempest V2 compare? Does it close the gap meaningfully? Does it break through that "good but not quite" ceiling?

I've owned a Weedeater, B0 and a ZX in terms of desktop ball vapes.

In terms of potential potency of the hit the T2 is in the same league imo, when doing direct to lung, single hits on a bong. Desktops have the advantage with regards to always being on and ready. I could easilly go without another desktop ball vape, but this depends on the person. If I buy another desktop it won't be because I need one.

Between the Tempest 2, Tornado, it is clear we are in a time where portables can punch in the same class as desktops in terms of vapour output and potency. So now it becomes a question of practicality. Hell I would even argue I've had bigger harder hits from the Nova brick butane vape than desktops. It's not a question of power anymore. I personally find the Tempest 2 so easy and quick to use that the always on desktops don't give enough difference in practicality to be worth the electricity. I live in the UK where we have the most expensive energy in the world right now. The fact the Tempest is ready to go after 30 odd seconds in the wand is perfect.

The full T2 bowl I did on glass yesterday hit me as hard as any desktop ever has.

EDIT - There are a small group of people who vape 0.5g at once with a shower head desktop ball vape. Portables couldn't replicate this. It's not reply the sweet spot anyway. Most ball vape users gravitate towards bowls around 0.1-0.2g. More efficient extraction, and there is only so much vapour your lungs can hold in a hit.

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

... The full T2 bowl I did on glass yesterday hit me as hard as any desktop ever has.

That's the answer I needed too. I had the feeling it could fill that role for me as the V1 nearly gets there.
Glass and iso prepared here for tommorrow, I hope.

 

[HoodiesAndHondas]

For an additional data point, I also soak my T1 head in 99% iso when I'm doing the same for the rest of the piece. My click indicators never worked - well, I get one click (the first of the two), so I'm not concerned with how the iso affects the clicks and I rarely rely on the VI.

I use the Wand, and I'm sure I could dial in my heating with the clicks, but at this point I'm not too worried about it. I use temp/time with the first bowl, but after that I use a "feel" for how the Wand will affect the roast. I nail it probably 95% of the time. The other 5%? Well, let's just refer to my username for that answer.

I don’t go by clicks, but I do use the VI for when I’m doing re-heats. Works great every time.

 

[General Disaster]

My broscience theory being that less radiant heat hitting the herb before inhaling should be better for flavor. Just a guess though.

I'm afraid the broscience isn't accurate - if you're talking physics, then every heat transfer is radiation - an atom or molecule transfers energy (measured as heat in this case) to another atom or molecule via electromagnetic radiation. When it's two particles in a solid it's usually called conduction, when it's between a gas, and a solid or liquid (or even another gas) it's usually called convection, but they both rely on radiation fundamentally.

I think the answer is far simpler - the depth of the head in the Wand's coil simply effects what part of the head is being heated directly, just like varying where a torch flame is positioned and how that changes the process.

Maybe it's a placebo, or my mind is playing tricks on me.

Probably not - my guess is the v2 manages a more consistent and free flow of heated air to perform a thorough extraction without causing as many hot spots that could degrade the terpenoids, or cool spots that would leave some active compounds behind in the avb.

My experience is that the smaller the head of a TED (or at least the fewer calories it can hold) the less efficient it is. This is why mains powered ball-vapes tend to be the most effective. It retains it's temperature for longer and the higher quantity of heat means it doesn't need to be as high a temperature as smaller matrixes do because it doesn't cool down as fast. This also helps bring the bowl walls to a similar temperature which also improves extraction efficiency.

The engineering and materials used can minimise this, but not overcome it.

 

[scoobyzsnackz]

Update on this: I checked the balls and they were brown so I torched them off till they were white. It has definitely helped but I still get a weird unpleasant aftertaste that I never used to get. Has anyone got any other suggestions please?

I keep it fairly clean, i give it a whipe down while its warm with kitchen roll and cotton buds every few days, it leans up the reclaim nice and easily and deep I clean in ISO every week.

I was planning on ordering the V2 but i dont want to risk the same think happening and not know how to fix it. I am pretty new to manual DHVs and havent really had much exoerience with one outside of the tempest

Update on this again: I gave it a good deep clean and let it soak in sugar soap for 30 minutes (i made sure there was mo lingering smell after cleaning), scrubbed down the inside of the head with cotton buds and iso, torched the balls, replaced the mesh bowl screen, cleaned my wand adapter and replaced the o rings - and I am still having the same issue with getting unpleasant after taste.

Is this possibly down to my technique?

I fill the bowl by using my tempest like a straw to get a nice loose pack, I heat to or just after the second click with a wand set to 420F, i start with 2 gentle inhales to get some heat in the bowl and then clear it in 1 steady inhale and I inhale till the VI gets down to the first marking. This used to give me a thick terpy cloud very similar to my desktop vape. The ABV comes out a mix of light brown and dark green.

I have it set up with the airflow in the cap full open, the stem airhole closed off, the direct tube and scu.

I am using flower that tasted great through it last week and still does in my desktop vape.

I appriciate everyones help so far!

 

[.d]

Didn't notice anybody put up the green v2 picture, accidentally stumbled upon it while searching for batteries, looks cool:

https://verdampftnochmal.de/media/image/product/17154/lg/mad-heaters-tempest-v2.webp

edit: v1 knocked me the f out just before and now upon closer inspection it seems to me that it just might be photoshopped green, not sure

 

[.d]

Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me please.

I have a tempest v1 and I have a love hate relationship with it. I originally bought it to use outside with a screwball as my daily driver indoors, but I really didnt get on with it. I then got a wand and it slowly started being my go to indoors once I switched up to the half bowl setting and got rid of the helix tube.

My problem is I am now struggling to get good flavour when using it. My usual setup is around 420F on the wand, the tempest with the direct tube and scu and a loose packed half bow. The wand times out on or just after the second click. I wait for the time out message to end and start with a few gentle tokes to heat up the bowl and then one steady inhale to get a full ectraction. This used to work perfectly, id get dense clouds that were full of favour. I always found that changing my inhale slightly or packing the bowl slightly more would impact the flavour quite drastically.

Now no matter what I do now I get a weird burnt/popcorn flavour after finishing a bowl when the abv is still fairly green or brown. I have given it a proper clean with iso this morning and am using flower that used to taste really good through it the other week and still tastes good through my screwball. I havent combusted in my tempest recently either and use it native without glass. What am I doing wrong?

Hey, isn't 420F too low? I mean that is 215C? Is that some other tech I don't know about?
I used to put mine to 280C, but since the batteries aren't what they used to be, i use it from 290C-310C, depending on the battery status when it refreshes after a while (like 5 seconds? )

Anyway, what I wanna say - I dont think you have the right temp setting with the wand. 550F - 590F in my experience (if my conversion works?!)
Put it like that in the glass wand adapter and stand from MH, hit the wand button twice, wait till the wand times out, then wait like 5 seconds for the heat to absorb and then hit it like you say you do.

 

[MegaChip]

Update on this again: I gave it a good deep clean and let it soak in sugar soap for 30 minutes (i made sure there was mo lingering smell after cleaning), scrubbed down the inside of the head with cotton buds and iso, torched the balls, replaced the mesh bowl screen, cleaned my wand adapter and replaced the o rings - and I am still having the same issue with getting unpleasant after taste.

Is this possibly down to my technique?

I fill the bowl by using my tempest like a straw to get a nice loose pack, I heat to or just after the second click with a wand set to 420F, i start with 2 gentle inhales to get some heat in the bowl and then clear it in 1 steady inhale and I inhale till the VI gets down to the first marking. This used to give me a thick terpy cloud very similar to my desktop vape. The ABV comes out a mix of light brown and dark green.

I have it set up with the airflow in the cap full open, the stem airhole closed off, the direct tube and scu.

I am using flower that tasted great through it last week and still does in my desktop vape.

I appriciate everyones help so far!

Dumb question, but have you dried drawing it without flower in it? Because if you get the same taste, it is your tempest (clean it again before doing that). And if the taste only happens with flower, it must be the flower or the tempest in combination with the flower

 

[scoobyzsnackz]

Hey, isn't 420F too low? I mean that is 215C? Is that some other tech I don't know about?
I put mine od 280C, but since the batteries aren't what they used to be, i use it from 290C-310C, depending on the battery status when it refreshes after a while (like 5 seconds? )

Anyway, what I wanna say - I dont think you have the right temp setting with the wand. 550F - 590F in my experience (if my conversion works?!)
Put it like that in the glass wand adapter and stand from MH, hit the wand button twice, wait till the wand times out, then wait like 5 seconds for the heat to absorb and then hit it like you say you do.

Hi
I only ever use the adapter I got with my tempest. I did start at the recomended starting temp and slowly worked my way down to 420F when I swapped over to the half bowl setting. I did try the other day setting it to 510F and it just made it taste worse.

 

[scoobyzsnackz]

Dumb question, but have you dried drawing it without flower in it? Because if you get the same taste, it is your tempest (clean it again before doing that). And if the taste only happens with flower, it must be the flower or the tempest in combination with the flower

When I fill my tempest i suck through it like a straw and it jusy tastes like how the flower smells

 

[Dirigible_Molecule]

When I fill my tempest i suck through it like a straw and it jusy tastes like how the flower smells

When I tried that the first time I had a lot of scoobysnacks.

Ah I see ... I'll get ma coat.

 

[Aahyoo]

@scoobyzsnackz Others may disagree, but that AVB doesn't sound cooked to me.

Variables to play with... The temperature/time in wand (I'm at 295°C until timeout and then I reheat to second marker for avb like dark roast coffee grounds), wand adapter depth (make sure youre heating the balls not the indicators or the bowl), batteries (I have Molicell P28a and P30b; the P30b's are noticeably superior)...

If you could upload a video showing as much of this as possible we may be able to spot something else to try.

 

[FuckPyrolysis]

I don’t go by clicks, but I do use the VI for when I’m doing re-heats. Works great every time.

I really do need to start using the VI for the re-heats. When I combust, I dump the bowl and grab another Tempest until I can deep clean the nasty one. I just need to use the same cap for that process - although I have another floating around here somewhere, just don't know where it is.
OK, tonight I guess I need to bust out the Tempest and play with the VI. The only difference between that and any other night is just playing with the VI.

 

[General Disaster]

I did try the other day setting it to 510F and it just made it taste worse.

From what you've described, it really does sound like you've built up some sort of deposit within the Tempest. My guess is the lower the temperature it's run at the more likely this will happen. Running at the hotter end of the range will strip out the almost all the compounds (bearing in mind some cannabinoids have moderately high boiling points so are harder to vapourise). @MegaChip's suggestion of running it sans weed is a very good one and ought to make this much easier to tell.