Dirigible_Molecule
Retired rebel.
I should know tomorrow, I've had a WOHW for a long time and a V1... The V2 I'm hoping will be the portable ball vape. 8)
Good question!
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The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie
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HaggisHunter
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I can't answer that fully because I don't have a desktop vape, I also haven't got the 2 fully dialled in yet.
I can say it's worth it.
I'm finding that the effects of everything I have at the moment have gone up a notch.
For instance, I have a low strength balanced 7/7% strain. Normally I have a bowl with the tempest, it reduces my anxietys and the like, enough for me to go about my day and get my work done and wot not, great.
Today, I tried a bowl of it in the 2 just after I finished work, I definitely won't be doing that again during the day, this is the first time I've had a full on slap from that stuff, when I use the gen 1, it comes out well roasted and I feel great, it was as dark today, but yeah I had a full on slap from it that lasted 20-30 minutes before it calmed down and left me in my usual zen like state
after using it.The 2 definitely feels like it's getting a little something extra out of the material.
Maybe it's a placebo, or my mind is playing tricks on me.
ThisIsMyVapestick
Active Member
For an additional data point, I also soak my T1 head in 99% iso when I'm doing the same for the rest of the piece. My click indicators never worked - well, I get one click (the first of the two), so I'm not concerned with how the iso affects the clicks and I rarely rely on the VI.
I use the Wand, and I'm sure I could dial in my heating with the clicks, but at this point I'm not too worried about it. I use temp/time with the first bowl, but after that I use a "feel" for how the Wand will affect the roast. I nail it probably 95% of the time. The other 5%? Well, let's just refer to my username for that answer.
I've owned a Weedeater, B0 and a ZX in terms of desktop ball vapes.
In terms of potential potency of the hit the T2 is in the same league imo, when doing direct to lung, single hits on a bong. Desktops have the advantage with regards to always being on and ready. I could easilly go without another desktop ball vape, but this depends on the person. If I buy another desktop it won't be because I need one.
Between the Tempest 2, Tornado, it is clear we are in a time where portables can punch in the same class as desktops in terms of vapour output and potency. So now it becomes a question of practicality. Hell I would even argue I've had bigger harder hits from the Nova brick butane vape than desktops. It's not a question of power anymore. I personally find the Tempest 2 so easy and quick to use that the always on desktops don't give enough difference in practicality to be worth the electricity. I live in the UK where we have the most expensive energy in the world right now. The fact the Tempest is ready to go after 30 odd seconds in the wand is perfect.
The full T2 bowl I did on glass yesterday hit me as hard as any desktop ever has.
EDIT - There are a small group of people who vape 0.5g at once with a shower head desktop ball vape. Portables couldn't replicate this. It's not reply the sweet spot anyway. Most ball vape users gravitate towards bowls around 0.1-0.2g. More efficient extraction, and there is only so much vapour your lungs can hold in a hit.
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Dirigible_Molecule
Retired rebel.
That's the answer I needed too. I had the feeling it could fill that role for me as the V1 nearly gets there.
Glass and iso prepared here for tommorrow, I hope.
HoodiesAndHondas
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I don’t go by clicks, but I do use the VI for when I’m doing re-heats. Works great every time.
General Disaster
Schrödinger's rat!
I'm afraid the broscience isn't accurate - if you're talking physics, then every heat transfer is radiation - an atom or molecule transfers energy (measured as heat in this case) to another atom or molecule via electromagnetic radiation. When it's two particles in a solid it's usually called conduction, when it's between a gas, and a solid or liquid (or even another gas) it's usually called convection, but they both rely on radiation fundamentally.
I think the answer is far simpler - the depth of the head in the Wand's coil simply effects what part of the head is being heated directly, just like varying where a torch flame is positioned and how that changes the process.
Probably not - my guess is the v2 manages a more consistent and free flow of heated air to perform a thorough extraction without causing as many hot spots that could degrade the terpenoids, or cool spots that would leave some active compounds behind in the avb.
My experience is that the smaller the head of a TED (or at least the fewer calories it can hold) the less efficient it is. This is why mains powered ball-vapes tend to be the most effective. It retains it's temperature for longer and the higher quantity of heat means it doesn't need to be as high a temperature as smaller matrixes do because it doesn't cool down as fast. This also helps bring the bowl walls to a similar temperature which also improves extraction efficiency.
The engineering and materials used can minimise this, but not overcome it.
[Edit:] When I say more efficient, I don't mean in terms of efficient energy usage, I mean in terms of extraction.
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scoobyzsnackz
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Update on this again: I gave it a good deep clean and let it soak in sugar soap for 30 minutes (i made sure there was mo lingering smell after cleaning), scrubbed down the inside of the head with cotton buds and iso, torched the balls, replaced the mesh bowl screen, cleaned my wand adapter and replaced the o rings - and I am still having the same issue with getting unpleasant after taste.
Is this possibly down to my technique?
I fill the bowl by using my tempest like a straw to get a nice loose pack, I heat to or just after the second click with a wand set to 420F, i start with 2 gentle inhales to get some heat in the bowl and then clear it in 1 steady inhale and I inhale till the VI gets down to the first marking. This used to give me a thick terpy cloud very similar to my desktop vape. The ABV comes out a mix of light brown and dark green.
I have it set up with the airflow in the cap full open, the stem airhole closed off, the direct tube and scu.
I am using flower that tasted great through it last week and still does in my desktop vape.
I appriciate everyones help so far!
.d
Wubba Lubba dub-dub
Didn't notice anybody put up the green v2 picture, accidentally stumbled upon it while searching for batteries, looks cool:
edit: v1 knocked me the f out just before and now upon closer inspection it seems to me that it just might be photoshopped green, not sure
edit: v1 knocked me the f out just before and now upon closer inspection it seems to me that it just might be photoshopped green, not sure
.d
Wubba Lubba dub-dub
Hey, isn't 420F too low? I mean that is 215C? Is that some other tech I don't know about?
I used to put mine to 280C, but since the batteries aren't what they used to be, i use it from 290C-310C, depending on the battery status when it refreshes after a while (like 5 seconds? )
Anyway, what I wanna say - I dont think you have the right temp setting with the wand. 550F - 590F in my experience (if my conversion works?!)
Put it like that in the glass wand adapter and stand from MH, hit the wand button twice, wait till the wand times out, then wait like 5 seconds for the heat to absorb and then hit it like you say you do.
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Dumb question, but have you dried drawing it without flower in it? Because if you get the same taste, it is your tempest (clean it again before doing that). And if the taste only happens with flower, it must be the flower or the tempest in combination with the flower
scoobyzsnackz
Member
scoobyzsnackz
Member
When I fill my tempest i suck through it like a straw and it jusy tastes like how the flower smells
Dirigible_Molecule
Retired rebel.
When I tried that the first time I had a lot of scoobysnacks.
Ah I see ... I'll get ma coat.
@scoobyzsnackz Others may disagree, but that AVB doesn't sound cooked to me.
Variables to play with... The temperature/time in wand (I'm at 295°C until timeout and then I reheat to second marker for avb like dark roast coffee grounds), wand adapter depth (make sure youre heating the balls not the indicators or the bowl), batteries (I have Molicell P28a and P30b; the P30b's are noticeably superior)...
If you could upload a video showing as much of this as possible we may be able to spot something else to try.
Variables to play with... The temperature/time in wand (I'm at 295°C until timeout and then I reheat to second marker for avb like dark roast coffee grounds), wand adapter depth (make sure youre heating the balls not the indicators or the bowl), batteries (I have Molicell P28a and P30b; the P30b's are noticeably superior)...
If you could upload a video showing as much of this as possible we may be able to spot something else to try.
ThisIsMyVapestick
Active Member
I really do need to start using the VI for the re-heats. When I combust, I dump the bowl and grab another Tempest until I can deep clean the nasty one. I just need to use the same cap for that process - although I have another floating around here somewhere, just don't know where it is.
OK, tonight I guess I need to bust out the Tempest and play with the VI. The only difference between that and any other night is just playing with the VI.
General Disaster
Schrödinger's rat!
From what you've described, it really does sound like you've built up some sort of deposit within the Tempest. My guess is the lower the temperature it's run at the more likely this will happen. Running at the hotter end of the range will strip out the almost all the compounds (bearing in mind some cannabinoids have moderately high boiling points so are harder to vapourise). @MegaChip's suggestion of running it sans weed is a very good one and ought to make this much easier to tell.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
You are the first person I've seen mention that the Molicel P30b's are noticeably better than the P28a's. Has anyone else found this to be the case? I'm gonna be in the market for a few soon and the P30s still have about a $1 premium over the P28s...
Wozz
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I'm using the P30b's in both my TM2 and my Fat X. I prefer them.
kokolokokolokon
Well-Known Member
I found the P30B a bit inferior to the P28A. Maybe it is just my kind of use (IH)
HaggisHunter
Well-Known Member
122mmx18.5mm going by the website.
Cheers for that, just saw it on there now, dunno how I missed it. Looks like I won't be getting the futo stash
on the plus side, I should receive my V2 tomorrow 
Minsc_NBoo
Well-Known Member
Cheers for that, just saw it on there now, dunno how I missed it. Looks like I won't be getting the futo stash
I just measured the cardboard tube that it comes in, and it's approx 20mm in width. It's pretty much the same length as the V1
I'm just going to use the cardboard until I find something suitable. It does fit the V1 pouch, so I might get another one for my OG
I hope you enjoy your T2 as much as I do. It's a beast!
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