The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

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RedZep

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HaggisHunter said:
It was a bit later than I wanted before I started using mine last night.
Out of curiosity what are folk running their wand settings at with the standard zirc?

I need to carry on using the glass adapter for the time being, I use mine out as much as I do at home, and the wand sits in one of two pockets, neither of which the wand fits with the new adapter (doh 😆), and swapping these things all the time will get tiresome.
I'll probably swap over at some point when I figure something out for my pack, but not right now.

After a few bowls, I'm still tuning the head in, great results so far though, I think I will need to up the heat a little more, at 300° the bowl still isn't that dark, but it's producing big clouds - due to glass adapter maybe?
I'm well impressed with the head, I'm gonna need a night when the Mrs is out so I can properly play around with it, but I love it, on the smallest bowl it's absolutely ripping, and can't wait to start trying the bigger bowls, maybe that's a weekend thing though 😂

Unfortunately I'm not getting on with the stem so far, hand feel is great, it's so comfortable to hold, also on the lips, it's absolutely great, weight and balance are superb.
But after two bowls my throat wasn't happy, it felt familiar to previous stems and left my throat dry, rough.
After swapping to an old revolve stem, the difference was night and day for me.
I'm not completely giving up on this stem, I need more time with it, like a proper night or two of trying various things so I'll see how it goes.
My issues with the stem are pretty specific, I have stomach problems that leave me with a raw and sensitive throat and vaping doesn't help it, it constantly irritates it, this is my issue, I guess for most people using this device, it won't be an issue, I mean it still does a hell of a job at cooling, or I wouldn't have gotten past one bowl...
And I still haven't done my usual stress test, I managed 4/5 bowls on the trot with the previous version before any irritation was enough to make me put it down.

To give folk an idea of how easy it is to really upset my throat, a single Dynavap bowl with an armoured cap and straight stem will basically render it raw and painful enough for me to not vape for a few hours....

Looking forward to more testing though 😁

@General Disaster not sure, haven't tried it. But, if you anodise something, then dunk it in an etch, you can see the cycle of colours almost being stripped away.
So if you do green which is the last colour on the cycle, then dunk it in the etc, you'll see various colours appearing and disappearing.
It's quite cool.
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Could this be the terps? If you are mainly doing low temp hits. The cooling path is shorter due to not doubling back on itself like the T1 Helix. I used to get irritation like this doing low temp Tinymight 2 hits. Some people get irritated by certain terps. I found for me the problem was exacerbated by certain strains. I ended up doing low temp hits with certain strains.

I'm finding the cooling to be enough accross all bowl settings. However I don't like doing DTL one hitter full bowls using the stem, and find I prefer multiple hits in this config. This is due to the sheer vapour density of a 0.22g bowl.
 
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RedZep said:
Could this be the terps? If you are mainly doing low temp hits. The cooling path is shorter due to not doubling back on itself like the T1 Helix. I used to get irritation like this doing low temp Tinymight 2 hits. Some people get irritated by certain terps. I found for me the problem was exacerbated by certain strains.

I'm finding the cooling to be enough accross all bowl settings. However I don't like doing DTL one hitter full bowls using the stem, and find I prefer multiple hits in this config. This is due to the sheer vapour density of a 0.22g bowl.
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To add my 2 cents to throat irritation - the terps are sometimes a problem for me and I get an allergic-like reaction which lasts about an hour.
It very much depends on the strain and where and how it was grown, lucky for me that is not often or I would have a hard time with this hobby :)

Aside from the terps, the dry herb vaping method is not something our bodies were built for in more ways than one. Aside from the obvious "oil everywhere in the respiratory system", the pure amount of the warm dry air inhaled in a short period of time is a bit of a shock to the system which regularly hydrates itself.

I've found the best thing is to always slowly drink small amounts of water to get it as spread out on the dried out areas as possible and always take pauses between bowls to allow the system to rehydrate itself (it takes time depending on your lifestyle and body).
If you absolutely need to do back to back bowls and don't have time for pauses and rehydration I would consider adding water to the mix, preferably on the warmer side to more easily rehydrate the air you are pulling.
 
Dirigible_Molecule

Dirigible_Molecule

Retired rebel.
I have always found that using isotonic or even hypotonic level saline in any piece improves the hydration available from vapour. Just chuck some salt ( I use rock salt rather than sea salt) in when refilling and shake it about (baby).

I understand about the GIT issues that can cause this, had the problem at the vicious start of my Long Covid. .. gone away now. I also nebulise isotonic saline for sinus cleaning. I'm always salined 8-0#
 
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HaggisHunter

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RedZep said:
Could this be the terps? If you are mainly doing low temp hits. The cooling path is shorter due to not doubling back on itself like the T1 Helix. I used to get irritation like this doing low temp Tinymight 2 hits. Some people get irritated by certain terps. I found for me the problem was exacerbated by certain strains.

I'm finding the cooling to be enough accross all bowl settings. However I don't like doing DTL one hitter full bowls using the stem, and find I prefer multiple hits in this config. This is due to the sheer vapour density of a 0.22g bowl.
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The flower can have an effect, but I actually avoided the more terpy flower I have to start with for that reason. I used the most gentle flower I have to start with.
The last bowl I did, was with my most terpy flower, that was with a revolve and glass stem, it was also a lower temp than I was aiming for, but zero irritation.
The flowers I have, I've had zero irritation from since I got them, but the first bowl with the new stem I get irritation, then the first bowl back with the previous stem feels more comfortable, leads me to think it's the stem rather than the flower.
I do see what your saying though, I have got a note of a couple of strains that I generally avoid as it makes the issue worse.

When I first read that it was using a more familiar twisted ribbon style cooling unit, I had my reservations, every other style of vape like this I've tried, has done almost zero for me, this stem definitely works better than those, maybe due to the size of the cooling unit etc.

My issues stem from a hernia, my esophagus takes a long time to close and this causes bother with stomach acid, if I ignore it, my throat ends up badly irritated, to the point where things start to go into self defense mode and swell up, it causes me to lose my voice for instance.
It's a pain in the arse. I need to sleep in a specific way to lessen the issues too.

I drink as I vape as well to try and keep things under more control.
 
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RedZep

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HaggisHunter said:
The flower can have an effect, but I actually avoided the more terpy flower I have to start with for that reason. I used the most gentle flower I have to start with.
The last bowl I did, was with my most terpy flower, that was with a revolve and glass stem, it was also a lower temp than I was aiming for, but zero irritation.
The flowers I have, I've had zero irritation from since I got them, but the first bowl with the new stem I get irritation, then the first bowl back with the previous stem feels more comfortable, leads me to think it's the stem rather than the flower.
I do see what your saying though, I have got a note of a couple of strains that I generally avoid as it makes the issue worse.

When I first read that it was using a more familiar twisted ribbon style cooling unit, I had my reservations, every other style of vape like this I've tried, has done almost zero for me, this stem definitely works better than those, maybe due to the size of the cooling unit etc.

My issues stem from a hernia, my esophagus takes a long time to close and this causes bother with stomach acid, if I ignore it, my throat ends up badly irritated, to the point where things start to go into self defense mode and swell up, it causes me to lose my voice for instance.
It's a pain in the arse. I need to sleep in a specific way to lessen the issues too.

I drink as I vape as well to try and keep things under more control.
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Could speed of inhalation play a factor? I've noticed the T2 is more open that the T1, and vapour just pours out of it. A slower inhalation might help a little. I hope you figure out a way to avoid this irritation. I have a jaw condition that affects my cannabis vaping, and it can be very frustrating. Especially when you find a device you love but cannot use it regularly because of said condition.
 
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HaggisHunter

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RedZep said:
Could speed of inhalation play a factor? I've noticed the T2 is more open that the T1, and vapour just pours out of it. A slower inhalation might help a little. I hope you figure out a way to avoid this irritation. I have a jaw condition that affects my cannabis vaping, and it can be very frustrating. Especially when you find a device you love but cannot use it regularly because of said condition.
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I draw quite slowly now after using the v1 for so long.
As I say I'm not giving up on it, I'm gonna keeping trying it out with various settings to see how it goes and alters throughout the week.

But it's all good, if I can't make the new stem work, the easy solution is just to keep using the previous stem which causes next to no issues unless I'm pushing things.

Appreciate the ideas, the community here is superb.
 
Dirigible_Molecule

Dirigible_Molecule

Retired rebel.
Limonene can be nasty if plentiful.
Years ago I Alpha & beta-tested Nic vapes ( I have an electronics background - beep), one major manufacturer had issues with leaking seals on tanks, received a lot of seals to test, I and others discovered it was Limonene, it would melt some types of seals, there are many types of silicon "rubber".

It would take a ridiculous amount in flower to affect devices, but I do experience more throat irritation with high Limonene cultivars. The saline water in my glass helps as does the aforementioned constant hydration.
 
General Disaster

General Disaster

Schrödinger's rat!
This issue of terpenes is a complex one, with many possibilities as to how the terps can effect some people.
It seems that the lighter terpene's (such as Limonene), those with lower molecular weight and lower boiling point are the more irritating generally, but of course effect different people differently. Temperature too can have it's own negative effect's, but on top of that, these lighter terpene's are more likely to degrade at higher temperatures creating unstable 2 and 3 carbon fragments. As they cool down progressing from the bowl to the respiratory system they reform into other more stable compounds (but not to the original one's!).

How they reform and what they produce is varied and not controllable, but if anyone is interested, from research done on high temp dabbing, the most common compound formed by quantity is benzene!
But many others are also created and no way to predict before hand what they will be.
So, yes, the strain of course can make a difference, but also how the vape works and what temperatures it's run at can also make a big difference in the actual profile being inhaled.
Regards the stem making a difference, it's very possible that the profile of the temperature reduction as the vapour cools through the stem can impact the terpene's being both degraded, and the substances that may be formed from this (e.g. crash cooling vs. slower steady cooling).

BTW, while benzene is indeed nasty stuff, I've no idea whether it may act as an irritant or not. But don't get too paranoid about this, as the quantities are low, and we are all being thoroughly poisoned by environmental pollution with chemicals even worse than benzene, so pretty pointless thinking that cutting high temp vaping out will help you significantly on that count, but it's always good to be aware of how things are working.
 
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scoobyzsnackz

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Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me please.

I have a tempest v1 and I have a love hate relationship with it. I originally bought it to use outside with a screwball as my daily driver indoors, but I really didnt get on with it. I then got a wand and it slowly started being my go to indoors once I switched up to the half bowl setting and got rid of the helix tube.

My problem is I am now struggling to get good flavour when using it. My usual setup is around 420F on the wand, the tempest with the direct tube and scu and a loose packed half bow. The wand times out on or just after the second click. I wait for the time out message to end and start with a few gentle tokes to heat up the bowl and then one steady inhale to get a full ectraction. This used to work perfectly, id get dense clouds that were full of favour. I always found that changing my inhale slightly or packing the bowl slightly more would impact the flavour quite drastically.

Now no matter what I do now I get a weird burnt/popcorn flavour after finishing a bowl when the abv is still fairly green or brown. I have given it a proper clean with iso this morning and am using flower that used to taste really good through it the other week and still tastes good through my screwball. I havent combusted in my tempest recently either and use it native without glass. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Brenyo

Brenyo

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HaggisHunter said:
, at 300° the bowl still isn't that dark, but it's producing big clouds - due to glass adapter maybe?
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Try it around 340 C

scoobyzsnackz said:
I have given it a proper clean with iso this morning and am using flower that used to taste really good through it the other week and still tastes good through my screwball. I havent combusted in my tempest recently either and use it native without glass. What am I doing wrong?
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Check if the balls are mostly black, you might need to clean them with a torch or soak it in sugar soap liquid. Makes a big difference after a long time.
 
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space runner

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Does anyone know the general temperature range of the head at each tickmark of the visual indicator? I'd like to compare it to the melting point of this little funnel I use and also just curious what I'm dealing with whenever I accidentally singe myself 🙄
 
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vaporo

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BushRanger said:
Easing the anticipation of v2... :)
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Honestly same. Ive bought a few accessories for my battery vapes and a new ted (df2.0-metal) just to starve off the anticipation of knowing i basically have a new tempest 2, with my name on it, being held hostage by policy.

I know we will all get ours but i think its okay to distract in the meantime lol. These videos and pics are so niiiiiiiiiiice.
 
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RedZep

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Ok first vid. So yesterday I didn't hit the Tempest again all day. The 0.15g bowl hit me really hard. Only other vape that hits me that hard with 0.15g is the Tornado. So today I thought "let's take the full 0.22 bowl in one DTL hit" :D

I thought this time it was a good opportunity to test the inbuilt WPA. I never liked using the OG Tempest stem with glass. It always felt overkill, and took away too much feedback. When using the V2 stem native you get a feel for how open it is. Made me think it could work really well as a WPA to add cooling to smaller pieces. I was right. If you turn the volume up you can hear how open it is. I'm barely pulling. Stem airflow closed. Tip airflow fully open. I actually think I'll close it off much more next time to get thicker vapour.
https://imgur.com/a/Uul7Ldy
This hit me like a truck, and I actually almost went white. I'm still shaking. Drinking some tea and trying to settle into it. Don't do this you unless you have good tolerance.

I actually love that the stem has a WPA built in. I think it would be a great general use cooling WPA for other butane devices.

Another nice thing I noticed. When you close off the stem airflow, it seems to fully seal it off. I couldn't detect any change when feathering the carb when closed.

I'm so blasted I posted this in the wrong thread at first.
 
HoodiesAndHondas

HoodiesAndHondas

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RedZep said:
Ok first vid. So yesterday I didn't hit the Tempest again all day. The 0.15g bowl hit me really hard. Only other vape that hits me that hard with 0.15g is the Tornado. So today I thought "let's take the full 0.22 bowl in one DTL hit" :D

I thought this time it was a good opportunity to test the inbuilt WPA. I never liked using the OG Tempest stem with glass. It always felt overkill, and took away too much feedback. When using the V2 stem native you get a feel for how open it is. Made me think it could work really well as a WPA to add cooling to smaller pieces. I was right. If you turn the volume up you can hear how open it is. I'm barely pulling. Stem airflow closed. Tip airflow fully open. I actually think I'll close it off much more next time to get thicker vapour.
https://imgur.com/a/Uul7Ldy
This hit me like a truck, and I actually almost went white. I'm still shaking. Drinking some tea and trying to settle into it. Don't do this you unless you have good tolerance.

I actually love that the stem has a WPA built in. I think it would be a great general use cooling WPA for other butane devices.

Another nice thing I noticed. When you close off the stem airflow, it seems to fully seal it off. I couldn't detect any change when feathering the carb when closed.

I'm so blasted I posted this in the wrong thread at first.
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So milky! Damn, I’m getting more and more jealous every time I come to this thread! 😢
 
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scoobyzsnackz

Member
scoobyzsnackz said:
Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me please.

I have a tempest v1 and I have a love hate relationship with it. I originally bought it to use outside with a screwball as my daily driver indoors, but I really didnt get on with it. I then got a wand and it slowly started being my go to indoors once I switched up to the half bowl setting and got rid of the helix tube.

My problem is I am now struggling to get good flavour when using it. My usual setup is around 420F on the wand, the tempest with the direct tube and scu and a loose packed half bow. The wand times out on or just after the second click. I wait for the time out message to end and start with a few gentle tokes to heat up the bowl and then one steady inhale to get a full ectraction. This used to work perfectly, id get dense clouds that were full of favour. I always found that changing my inhale slightly or packing the bowl slightly more would impact the flavour quite drastically.

Now no matter what I do now I get a weird burnt/popcorn flavour after finishing a bowl when the abv is still fairly green or brown. I have given it a proper clean with iso this morning and am using flower that used to taste really good through it the other week and still tastes good through my screwball. I havent combusted in my tempest recently either and use it native without glass. What am I doing wrong?
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Update on this: I checked the balls and they were brown so I torched them off till they were white. It has definitely helped but I still get a weird unpleasant aftertaste that I never used to get. Has anyone got any other suggestions please?

I keep it fairly clean, i give it a whipe down while its warm with kitchen roll and cotton buds every few days, it leans up the reclaim nice and easily and deep I clean in ISO every week.

I was planning on ordering the V2 but i dont want to risk the same think happening and not know how to fix it. I am pretty new to manual DHVs and havent really had much exoerience with one outside of the tempest
 
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