Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

yeah I was trippin, because the ceramic rod is heating up just fine...



update:

well I got some more wax, cut my coil down to about flush maybe slightly below the rod... loaded between .2 and .3 melted into the coil, then loaded up another .2 to .3...

HUGE difference then last night... still learning how to hit it perfect but the taste is very nice, better than the carts, and i'm nice and medicated!!!

easy to load,very happy!!!

thanks again to everyone who helped me get this thing off the ground!!!

thanks G, you have an amazing product bud

ryan

Thank you for the support, please make sure to cool it down before setting it on its side. And after its cooled down remember the oil is on its side now, so needs a like a second or two to melt back down, get vaporized.

 

[Doug]

Where is the best place to order cartridge online? I need to get some here before I leave Thursday, and I'm not sure who is a reliable fast shipper. Delta9 took a long time when I used them.

 

[Mynameismud]

I pretty much agree with the white rod verses the Cera CO. I think the EO is easier to control the temp since it has more mass, but takes long to heat due to that. SR-71 White rod need good power control to gte the best taste. It can really provide though.

Another point, the SR-71 I think is more discreet in public. Color and control. Also its quicker to get a good hit I think and hidden sooner for me. Trade-offs...

I dont know if my EO is different then yours, but i have a hard time controlling the temp. All i get is huge sometimes harsh clouds. It also doesnt take long for me to get good heat or vapor. 5 seconds and im usually good to go. It also takes about 5 seconds of holding the button before i get good vapor with the black rod.

I also forgot to mention in my comparison, that the cera EO is basically leak proof and can be stood uprght with no issues. While the herc can and will leak if your not careful about coolingand storing on its side. Its not a big issue once you know that is needed but its still something to think about.

The other thing i wanted to add into the review. When i said that the oil lasts longer in thecera and i feel like im going through oil quicker and faster with the herc. I forgot to mention that i feel like the herc is a little more effecient. 3-4hits from cera is about equal to 1-2 off the herc effects wise. So its basically a trade off i guess

Personally, I dont think either is very discreet in public. I guess the bright white color of the cera is more attention grabbing. But the hercules is just as big and longer then the cera. It makes me feel like im holding a police baton or something when i go to use it.

 

[Cheerful Dub]

Personally, I dont think either is very discreet in public. I guess the bright white color of the cera is more attention grabbing. But the hercules is just as big and longer then the cera. It makes me feel like im holding a police baton or something when i go to use it.

We have dubbed it "the magic wand"

 

[Mynameismud]

We have dubbed it "the magic wand"

Haha thats an even better comparison!

 

[Caligula]

Where is the best place to order cartridge online? I need to get some here before I leave Thursday, and I'm not sure who is a reliable fast shipper. Delta9 took a long time when I used them.

planetvape.ca or vaporwarehouse.com

 

[PhotoRider]

I dont know if my EO is different then yours, but i have a hard time controlling the temp. All i get is huge sometimes harsh clouds. It also doesnt take long for me to get good heat or vapor. 5 seconds and im usually good to go. It also takes about 5 seconds of holding the button before i get good vapor with the black rod.

I also forgot to mention in my comparison, that the cera EO is basically leak proof and can be stood uprght with no issues. While the herc can and will leak if your not careful about coolingand storing on its side. Its not a big issue once you know that is needed but its still something to think about.

The other thing i wanted to add into the review. When i said that the oil lasts longer in thecera and i feel like im going through oil quicker and faster with the herc. I forgot to mention that i feel like the herc is a little more effecient. 3-4hits from cera is about equal to 1-2 off the herc effects wise. So its basically a trade off i guess

Personally, I dont think either is very discreet in public. I guess the bright white color of the cera is more attention grabbing. But the hercules is just as big and longer then the cera. It makes me feel like im holding a police baton or something when i go to use it.

I would have to agree neither is very descrete. I was splitting hairs

Interesting on the heat time. My EO takes longer and the temp is pretty easy to control. At least from the burning oil part.

Agreed on the leaking part, the EO does leak, but not like the SR-71.

 

[OF]

Good discussion, I think it's worth noting that start up times and tendency to leak in Cera are both very subject to what and how much you have loaded. Battery charge as well, of course. But it's hard to get fast response with large charges of stiff goods.

OF

 

[PhotoRider]

Good discussion, I think it's worth noting that start up times and tendency to leak in Cera are both very subject to what and how much you have loaded. Battery charge as well, of course. But it's hard to get fast response with large charges of stiff goods.

OF

Agreed. I am using the same stuff on each cart. My EO is normally using my power supply, but it acts the same on battery.
I find I don't need to pulse the Cera, but if you don't pulse the power on the Persei the SR-71 will heat too hot and the vape will be too hot for me. On the Cera I just hit the power, draw, release and only cool down until the vape stops.

 

[Doug]

planetvape.ca or vaporwarehouse.com

Thanks for the suggestion on vaporwarehouse. I just place an order. I called them after and left a message (business hours are listed as M-F only) asking if it would go out Monday. I expected a call back then, but got one just now. Good company!

 

[Caligula]

While yes, neither unit is as discrete as say... an Ophos, at the very least the Hercules and Persei combo doesn't look like a 2lb white dildo.

 

[friedbanana8]

I dont know if my EO is different then yours, but i have a hard time controlling the temp. All i get is huge sometimes harsh clouds. It also doesnt take long for me to get good heat or vapor. 5 seconds and im usually good to go. It also takes about 5 seconds of holding the button before i get good vapor with the black rod.

I also forgot to mention in my comparison, that the cera EO is basically leak proof and can be stood uprght with no issues. While the herc can and will leak if your not careful about coolingand storing on its side. Its not a big issue once you know that is needed but its still something to think about.

The other thing i wanted to add into the review. When i said that the oil lasts longer in thecera and i feel like im going through oil quicker and faster with the herc. I forgot to mention that i feel like the herc is a little more effecient. 3-4hits from cera is about equal to 1-2 off the herc effects wise. So its basically a trade off i guess

Personally, I dont think either is very discreet in public. I guess the bright white color of the cera is more attention grabbing. But the hercules is just as big and longer then the cera. It makes me feel like im holding a police baton or something when i go to use it.

I would have to agree neither is very descrete. I was splitting hairs

Interesting on the heat time. My EO takes longer and the temp is pretty easy to control. At least from the burning oil part.

Agreed on the leaking part, the EO does leak, but not like the SR-71.

have either of you tried the herc 3.7v rods on the shorty with the 18350 batt? its pen size with the shorty in terms of length and looks pretty discreet. you might want to look into getting the SS kit if you havent got one already (SS stands for super stealth).

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Yup the 18350 aw imr can have the black rod no problems.

 

[Mynameismud]

I would have to agree neither is very descrete. I was splitting hairs

Interesting on the heat time. My EO takes longer and the temp is pretty easy to control. At least from the burning oil part.

Agreed on the leaking part, the EO does leak, but not like the SR-71.

Yeah, i mean i do notices some oil residue on the underside of the cartridge near/around the threads of the EO. At first i thought it might be leaking, but the more i use and load it i think it might just be the vapor recondensing? Because i do notice tons of vapor coming out of the body when i try loading it. But again even if it is leaking, its nothing compared to how the hercules can leak.

Good discussion, I think it's worth noting that start up times and tendency to leak in Cera are both very subject to what and how much you have loaded. Battery charge as well, of course. But it's hard to get fast response with large charges of stiff goods.

OF

i dont know if im the odd man out, but it seems the more i load in the cera, the quicker and faster i get vapor production. I did load too much one time and had an issue with clogging, but even then it only took about 8 seconds of preheating to get good vapor production. Usually i only hold the button for 4-5 seconds thou and get huge hits easily.

Agreed. I am using the same stuff on each cart. My EO is normally using my power supply, but it acts the same on battery.
I find I don't need to pulse the Cera, but if you don't pulse the power on the Persei the SR-71 will heat too hot and the vape will be too hot for me. On the Cera I just hit the power, draw, release and only cool down until the vape stops.

i am using the same oil as well. I find if i dont want to be hacking up a lung i either need to pulse the cera or use it with water. Even with water though i need to release the power and kinda back the cera out and back in a few times after releaseing the power.

Back on topic, I found the same results with the hercules sr71 white 7.4V rod. If i just hold the button same taste as cera. If i pulsed it much better results but it takes more work.

Now with the black rod, its impossible to get bad/harsh taste. I just preheat for about 8-10 seconds and then hold the button and go. I do pulse it once when the timer cuts off but besides that just jam the button and go. Great hits and amazing taste! No harshness or scratchy throat afterward either.

Ive kinda given up on the blue rod for now, its just too hard to get the hang with just herbs. But it works really well with herbs and a little bit of oil(no coil or screen). Its nice being able to just throw everything in and not have to worry but i just find the white rod coil and screen work with a little less technique effort. Plus, if i wanna use herbs, its much easier to just pull the black rod out and switch the white rod in and then just have to add a screen, rather than pulling the rod and coil out which can get messy if your not careful. Im hoping and have faith the iris will make the blue rod work better though and can not wait.

While yes, neither unit is as discrete as say... an Ophos, at the very least the Hercules and Persei combo doesn't look like a 2lb white dildo.

I mainly use my EO with the smoothflow mouthpiece now. If anything it gets confused more for an electronic toothbrush now. And in fact ive never had anyone seen it set like this reference it looking like a dildo. And even with the smoothflow it is still shorter than ther persei/hercules. Just saying...

have either of you tried the herc 3.7v rods on the shorty with the 18350 batt? its pen size with the shorty in terms of length and looks pretty discreet. you might want to look into getting the SS kit if you havent got one already (SS stands for super stealth).

i was thinking about getting it, i believe i saw it on planetvape. But stealth really isnt an issue for me at the moment, and id much rather have 2000mah of battery compared to 700mah on the 1-18350

 

[friedbanana8]

Yup the 18350 aw imr can have the black rod no problems.

awesome, it has a nice weight and feel to it with the shorty.

Yeah, i mean i do notices some oil residue on the underside of the cartridge near/around the threads of the EO. At first i thought it might be leaking, but the more i use and load it i think it might just be the vapor recondensing? Because i do notice tons of vapor coming out of the body when i try loading it. But again even if it is leaking, its nothing compared to how the hercules can leak.

i dont know if im the odd man out, but it seems the more i load in the cera, the quicker and faster i get vapor production. I did load too much one time and had an issue with clogging, but even then it only took about 8 seconds of preheating to get good vapor production. Usually i only hold the button for 4-5 seconds thou and get huge hits easily.

i am using the same oil as well. I find if i dont want to be hacking up a lung i either need to pulse the cera or use it with water. Even with water though i need to release the power and kinda back the cera out and back in a few times after releaseing the power.

Back on topic, I found the same results with the hercules sr71 white 7.4V rod. If i just hold the button same taste as cera. If i pulsed it much better results but it takes more work.

Now with the black rod, its impossible to get bad/harsh taste. I just preheat for about 8-10 seconds and then hold the button and go. I do pulse it once when the timer cuts off but besides that just jam the button and go. Great hits and amazing taste! No harshness or scratchy throat afterward either.

Ive kinda given up on the blue rod for now, its just too hard to get the hang with just herbs. But it works really well with herbs and a little bit of oil(no coil or screen). Its nice being able to just throw everything in and not have to worry but i just find the white rod coil and screen work with a little less technique effort. Plus, if i wanna use herbs, its much easier to just pull the black rod out and switch the white rod in and then just have to add a screen, rather than pulling the rod and coil out which can get messy if your not careful. Im hoping and have faith the iris will make the blue rod work better though and can not wait.

I mainly use my EO with the smoothflow mouthpiece now. If anything it gets confused more for an electronic toothbrush now. And in fact ive never had anyone seen it set like this reference it looking like a dildo. And even with the smoothflow it is still shorter than ther persei/hercules. Just saying...

i was thinking about getting it, i believe i saw it on planetvape. But stealth really isnt an issue for me at the moment, and id much rather have 2000mah of battery compared to 700mah on the 1-18350

its still something worth noting in your size comparison category in your review that there is an option of a more discreet product with the herc while the cera does not have an option of being more discreet, or atleast i havent heard of any. And yeah i get what your saying about the bigger battery. I usually like to run mine on two 18650's. But when i dont want to draw any attention to the herc, ill feel just fine as long as i have it on the shorty. Of course i cant comment on how it would perform with the 18350, not having a black rod myself, YET, but if the power drop off is anything like in the carts, i think it'd still provide for worthwhile sessions.

 

[Mynameismud]

awesome, it has a nice weight and feel to it with the shorty.


its still something worth noting in your size comparison category in your review that there is an option of a more discreet product with the herc while the cera does not have an option of being more discreet, or atleast i havent heard of any. And yeah i get what your saying about the bigger battery. I usually like to run mine on two 18650's. But when i dont want to draw any attention to the herc, ill feel just fine as long as i have it on the shorty. Of course i cant comment on how it would perform with the 18350, not having a black rod myself, YET, but if the power drop off is anything like in the carts, i think it'd still provide for worthwhile sessions.

That is a good point, I did forget that in the size comparison. Although a couple things to note...a bunch of members already have rigged up adapters and new bodies altogether for the cera. While this doesnt help the majority that arent skilled enough, an adapter will eventually be released for the cera so it will have the option of being smaller eventually.

Also, the stealth tubes are an extra $52.99 on planet vape, so it requires additional money and even with the small stealth tube, 1-18350 battery and the herc attached, i think it would just make it similar in length to the cera and not much smaller. I cant say for sure since i dont have one, but just putting the persei top with hercules on top of an 18350 battery it comes to about the same size as the cera with the smooth flow mouthpiece. So your paying an extra $52.99 to use a smaller battery that wont last as long and just bringing it down to the size of the cera...

Im not sure if you can just get the small stealth tube for cheaper (which im sure you can if w9tech has em) but all i can find is the kit from planet vape for 52.99

 

[Atomsk]

It's looking much like an Apple vs Windows battle here, and they're colored appropriately, but I'm pretty sure these initial comparisons are gonna change tune once the Hercules is sitting pretty on a few more months of user technique. Getting the new coils and rods down, even more so. I believe there are kinks in the Cera atm as well? Something about a latch, or else one of the cores doing something. The game still has plenty of time to change.

I find it weird, though, that no one has thus far noted that the Cera requires separate cores of varying expense in order to vape VG, Herb, or Oil, whereas the Hercules is the Herb and Oil at once with no VG use in sight.

In terms of being discreet, I think they both have their merits, although I'd have to give it to the Herc, it looks more like what's out on the market than the Cera does. San Diego, and I'm sure it's spreading elsewhere, is getting huge on the whole mechanical mod e-cig trend, and there are a lot of weirder looking units out there that are just as bulky and cloudsome. Have to agree with FriedBanana about the capabilities of stealth with an SS tube and the black rod, but I also hear the Cera is getting a mini?

Edit:
Gonna work on the herb pod idea today after getting a surprise free 8th. Look for my results post later, if I'm still awake.

 

[Caligula]

@atomsk free eighth? Did frosty give that to you as a new patient gift or something?

 

[Atomsk]

@ataxian free eighth? Did frosty give that to you as a new patient gift or something?

I think that post was for me, but yeah, FTP was a free 8th. About a 15/G quality, it's real nice for being free, and a great way to test herb in my Hercules. Too bad I lost my blue rod.** Using the flush coil as per your suggestion Caligula, and it's pretty great. The Skywalker tastes very good and has nice body buzz, gonna try this Kryptonite now, I'll let you know how that goes.

**To W9: the Hercules box recess for the extra rod is pretty loose. You might wanna package the rod in a layer or two of plastic, mine fell out somewhere, haha. Just a little customer feedback.

 

[ataxian]

@ataxian free eighth? Did frosty give that to you as a new patient gift or something?

That was for ATOMSK!

I make my own wax.
Too picky to let someone else make something that I vape!
My wax works in the carts just fine!
When your material works well in a cart I'm not afraid of loading the HERCULES!

The SHORTHY with BLUE ROD and HERB!

YES!

Bring it on!

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Actually the white rod can do ejuice so can the black rod.

We never said they can't we just have not released the coils for it.

 

[Atomsk]

Actually the white rod can do ejuice so can the black rod.

We never said they can't we just have not released the coils for it.

"No VG use in sight," boss, until you said it now. Sounds sick.

I'd really like to use wax with VG, for flavor and also for scent. See if a ratio exists for something that smells socially acceptable while getting you zoned. Can't wait to see what you come up with, especially since these mechanical mod guys here in SD like to think they've done it all.

edit:

@THC SCIENTIFIC Have you guys tested those EFAST 18350's yet?

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

"No VG use in sight," boss, until you said it now. Sounds sick.

I'd really like to use wax with VG, for flavor and also for scent. See if a ratio exists for something that smells socially acceptable while getting you zoned. Can't wait to see what you come up with, especially since these mechanical mod guys here in SD like to think they've done it all.

Tell them guys "look no silica wick or heating wires or solder".

There is no ecig or mod out there that even comes close to the Herc. They are still stuck on old technology.

If you want to see how ejuice tastes in the Herc 7.4 rods and coils with ejuic in them. Drip every other hit from the top.

Remember to pulse faster as ejuice requires less heat to vape

 

[friedbanana8]

That is a good point, I did forget that in the size comparison. Although a couple things to note...a bunch of members already have rigged up adapters and new bodies altogether for the cera. While this doesnt help the majority that arent skilled enough, an adapter will eventually be released for the cera so it will have the option of being smaller eventually.

Also, the stealth tubes are an extra $52.99 on planet vape, so it requires additional money and even with the small stealth tube, 1-18350 battery and the herc attached, i think it would just make it similar in length to the cera and not much smaller. I cant say for sure since i dont have one, but just putting the persei top with hercules on top of an 18350 battery it comes to about the same size as the cera with the smooth flow mouthpiece. So your paying an extra $52.99 to use a smaller battery that wont last as long and just bringing it down to the size of the cera...

Im not sure if you can just get the small stealth tube for cheaper (which im sure you can if w9tech has em) but all i can find is the kit from planet vape for 52.99

i think we have a difference in opinion on what discreet is. It sounds to me that both the cera and the herc are some pretty discreet products. I have to say i personally favor the black color over the white though.

 

[nopartofme]

I believe there are kinks in the Cera am as well? Something about a latch, or else one of the cores doing something. The game still has plenty of time to change.

The 'latch thing' is a personal preference issue related to the Loose Leaf cartridge and not the EO. Some are bothered by holding down the button for long periods of time with the LL as it requires more on-time than EO.

The only cart on the sidelines right now is the e-juice cart. Word finally came around recently that the wait might soon be over for that one...

I find it weird, though, that no one has thus far noted that the Cera requires separate cores of varying expense in order to vape VG, Herb, or Oil, whereas the Hercules is the Herb and Oil at once with no VG use in sight.

Actually all Cera cores are the same price: $99.99.

As for the seperate vs combined cartridges, I'm curious to hear more about the Herc's herb capabilities. From what I've seen, it's hard to shake the feeling of it being "an oil vape that can also vape herbs".

The nice thing about having separate cartridges is that the cart design can be modified to better suit the material being used.

Unless the Herc surprises me and turns out to be a vape that could be recommended to someone who doesn't use oil at all (I am such a person, and I do love Cera LL), I'll maintain my preference for separate specialized cartridges.

It does look to me like the Herc might be one the best vapes yet for the interesting Oil & Herb Simultaneously scenario. I would like to try that... The only other vape I can think of that looks like it could also do this very well is a desktop model, the Sublimator.

In terms of being discreet, I think they both have their merits, although I'd have to give it to the Herc, it looks more like what's out on the market than the Cera does. San Diego, and I'm sure it's spreading elsewhere, is getting huge on the whole mechanical mod e-cig trend, and there are a lot of weirder looking units out there that are just as bulky and cloudsome. Have to agree with FriedBanana about the capabilities of stealth with an SS tube and the black rod, but I also hear the Cera is getting a mini?

Gotta agree with you here. IMO it's the double edged sword of Cera's beauty. It's a real head turner, for better and for worse.

I do think the "Cera Light" will change things here. I call it "Light" because information thus far has indicated that some of the main goals of its design are lighter weight, greater durability, a side button, and keeping 18650s. I doubt it will be significantly more "mini" than the current body.

Edit:
Gonna work on the herb pod idea today after getting a surprise free 8th. Look for my results post later, if I'm still awake.

Looking forward to seeing this!