Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
Okay, so this is the reclaim I obtained from the Herc. There is more then I actually thought here too. Probably close to 2 grams. I put the drops next to it for perspective (didn't have a dollar on me).

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/4949/xonp.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/7255/ak35.jpg

Another question though... (@BLAZING OG ?) since my SR-71 is down for the count at the moment, I switched back to the 1.5ohm carts I had sitting around. Got some new wax, and this stuff is pretty solid at room temp. Id say its more like taffy. Very stringy and I can play with it for a few seconds before it starts to stick to my fingers.

Anyway, it took FOREVER to get some vapor/flavor out of it (priming), and now I still cant get anything but whispy hits. I've added the better part of a gram too (started with .5 and got nothing). Any help? My only experience with these carts has been with oil.

@THC SCIENTIFIC I tried calling in this afternoon, but I guess you weren't in. Left a message with Naiomi(?).

Try after a little heat to have the oil flow, sucking from the backend of the cart. Thick oil creates air pockets which is hard to remove..
I cheat and use a centrifuge at low RPM :)

I have also read someone dropping in a drop of e-juice to make it flow, but never tried it.
You're not alone there, Brother! Only the inexperienced and those too deep in denial to save don't appreciate the AW IMRs in this application. None better I know of. Tough little guys as well.

No doubt the reason D9 recommends them.....they ain't dumb.

OF

100% agree. I think they should just ship the AW's with the kit and not the generic ones. I would pay more, since those really need to be separated out... They are not upwards compatible, but the AW's work everyhere. Less to think about...
 

Caligula

Maximus
Ah, thanks for that @PhotoRider !

I tried the priming technique found in the manual (although more than the 10x suggested) as well as heating the whole cart up with a hair drier (that got me ONE good hit) as per D9.

Now, when sucking from the back end, do I plug the air hole on the top of leave it free flowing?


edit: I got impatient and loaded up some of this reclaim in another cart. Best tasting reclaim ever, lol mostly unused leakage.
 
Caligula,

PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
Ah, thanks for that @PhotoRider !

I tried the priming technique found in the manual (although more than the 10x suggested) as well as heating the whole cart up with a hair drier (that got me ONE good hit) as per D9.

Now, when sucking from the back end, do I plug the air hole on the top of leave it free flowing?


edit: I got impatient and loaded up some of this reclaim in another cart. Best tasting reclaim ever, lol mostly unused leakage.
Leave the hole open, you need to to get the vacuum force to effect the oil. If the cart is too warm, use a silicon hose and the hair dryer

Afterward, you may need to clean that area with a needle head and a little ISO since you may draw oil into the tube there. Easy fix with a needle, but don't push into the heater. That isn't good.

You did test the oil with flow to make sure it burns clean???
That wouldn't be the direct issue now, but dirty oil works poorly and destroys the cart quickly.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Got some new wax, and this stuff is pretty solid at room temp. Id say its more like taffy. Very stringy and I can play with it for a few seconds before it starts to stick to my fingers.

Anyway, it took FOREVER to get some vapor/flavor out of it (priming), and now I still cant get anything but whispy hits. I've added the better part of a gram too (started with .5 and got nothing). Any help? My only experience with these carts has been with oil.

I've had some serious trouble with well recommended taffies before. Twice I think. The best idea is to run a foil test on it (one of the major reasons I harp on foil tests.....). If it doesn't melt quickly, fully and flow freely before evaporating completely (or nearly so) it's not going to fly. Both mine got 'pasty' and failed to feed well at all.

Otherwise PR is right, the traditional problem is in loading, not getting the center hot enough first. Some of the thicker ones can 'set up fast' on the way down leaving a bubble that won't go away. Another problem here is, unfortunately, the 1.5 Ohm cart. Heat builds up fast, if you have a nearly dead battery around I'd try that for a while tying to build up enough heat in the reservoir before over heating the vaporizer part?

Good luck with it.

I think they should just ship the AW's with the kit and not the generic ones. I would pay more, since those really need to be separated out... They are not upwards compatible, but the AW's work everyhere. Less to think about...

With you all the way, but it's a legacy issue as much as anything I think? Back when there were only a few cart values out there was no need for such hot shot performance and as always most are very subject to price pressure. Since they are mostly sold in Head Shops and other 'low education' settings, few would understand the price increase I think?

But what G takes a long lunch some day I say we dump the low end 18350s and dual top and put some real batteries in there and a couple 2.4 Ohm carts with big red 'learn to use me first' stickers all over them?

OF
 

oddvegan

oddvegan
Just got great help from w9! I still love my Persei, i have only had problems with the new SR71, they walked me through it, taking it completely apart and putting it back together.
It worked, at least heated up, I have not tried to get vape just did a test to see if it heated up and it did not short out the top this time.
 

Mynameismud

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
That's exactly what happens. Takes the rod quite a while to heat up most of the time, and wispy hits or else nothing. Although, I'm not sure if you are losing oil the way some of us are. Are you able to reclaim what you load, or notice a good vapor production to oil consumption ratio.

First load, loaded about 0.4 grams of oil, melted it down added another 0.3-4 and then topped off with herb. Took about 10 or so total decent hits but closer to the whispy side. Thought it needed to reload. So just reloaded with oil the second time. Another 0.5 melted down and then added another 0.3.

Took 2 whispy hits, then preheated until timer cut off and hit it while pressing a second time right after the timer. Got a massive rip. but then i opened it up after seeing the members leaking and noticed a ton of oil on the bottom screw plate and all the way down the rod snd center post.

So far ive loaded close to about 2 grams, and have gotten about 10 whispy hits, and 1 or 2 massive hits. but the massive hits only come by preheating until timer cuts off and then heating again and inhaling. i did one reclaim after i noticed all the oil leaked and got about 0.5 back but thats it.

When i loaded it the first time, i noticed massive vapors when initally pressing the button as i t would melt down. Now it just is melting down but not producing the same type of vapor.
Ithink my batteries may be going so that could be the issue, or i just need to put it back together again. But that means i need to clean it again!

EDIT: so i took it apart and slid the rod out a little and put it back together. Hvent loaded anymore oul, but i still coud see some on the coil and rod. Heated it up and instantly for a whisp of vapor from the rod but then it dissapeared and just seemd to be getting hot with no vapor. Timer cut off and i pressed button again could hear a sizzling after a few mor seconds so i put the stainless top cap on and just put the mouthpiece over with no heatshield. Got a good sized hit! But i just wish i didnt have to heat it for so long to get that result snd it looks like im running low on the oil in ther already
 
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PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
I've had some serious trouble with well recommended taffies before. Twice I think. The best idea is to run a foil test on it (one of the major reasons I harp on foil tests.....). If it doesn't melt quickly, fully and flow freely before evaporating completely (or nearly so) it's not going to fly. Both mine got 'pasty' and failed to feed well at all.

Otherwise PR is right, the traditional problem is in loading, not getting the center hot enough first. Some of the thicker ones can 'set up fast' on the way down leaving a bubble that won't go away. Another problem here is, unfortunately, the 1.5 Ohm cart. Heat builds up fast, if you have a nearly dead battery around I'd try that for a while tying to build up enough heat in the reservoir before over heating the vaporizer part?

Good luck with it.



With you all the way, but it's a legacy issue as much as anything I think? Back when there were only a few cart values out there was no need for such hot shot performance and as always most are very subject to price pressure. Since they are mostly sold in Head Shops and other 'low education' settings, few would understand the price increase I think?

But what G takes a long lunch some day I say we dump the low end 18350s and dual top and put some real batteries in there and a couple 2.4 Ohm carts with big red 'learn to use me first' stickers all over them?

OF
100% on both points (foil/batteries).
I have always done the foil test so I have no 1st hand experience what happens if it fails so I didn't raise it high in importance, but what you say makes 100% sense and I will add that to my criteria on the foil test. Failures go to the SR-71 :) Easy to clean and seems flow issues are better (maybe too good :) )

I believe the duals are out.
The new heads were redesigned mostly because of the newer cart requirements which were unknown at the original design.
So now the batteries should upgrade and state use only AW and the reason why. Cost isn't really that much of an issue to pay the difference.
Yes, basic unit should have 2.4 ohms and 2 18650's and no 18350's/5 ohm carts. That is a problem waiting to happen, which does. Lets face it the recomendation is learn on 2.4ohm carts with 18650 batteries, but the kit does not provide that... It has 5 ohm and 18350. The 18650 can't be used until you buy another cart.

So tailor the basic kit for 3.6V, spare battery, single top, 2 2.4 ohm carts...
Have a 7.4V option with 2 18350's, 2 5ohm carts separately for advance users... do the same with the hammer and add a hammer top.
These kits give you everything you need to setup the advanced cart. You still need everything separate for replacements stuff, but the kit gives everything w/o having to fully understand what to buy for this or that.


First load, loaded about 0.4 grams of oil, melted it down added another 0.3-4 and then topped off with herb. Took about 10 or so total decent hits but closer to the whispy side. Thought it needed to reload. So just reloaded with oil the second time. Another 0.5 melted down and then added another 0.3.

Took 2 whispy hits, then preheated until timer cut off and hit it while pressing a second time right after the timer. Got a massive rip. but then i opened it up after seeing the members leaking and noticed a ton of oil on the bottom screw plate and all the way down the rod snd center post.

So far ive loaded close to about 2 grams, and have gotten about 10 whispy hits, and 1 or 2 massive hits. but the massive hits only come by preheating until timer cuts off and then heating again and inhaling. i did one reclaim after i noticed all the oil leaked and got about 0.5 back but thats it.

When i loaded it the first time, i noticed massive vapors when initally pressing the button as i t would melt down. Now it just is melting down but not producing the same type of vapor.
Ithink my batteries may be going so that could be the issue, or i just need to put it back together again. But that means i need to clean it again!

EDIT: so i took it apart and slid the rod out a little and put it back together. Hvent loaded anymore oul, but i still coud see some on the coil and rod. Heated it up and instantly for a whisp of vapor from the rod but then it dissapeared and just seemd to be getting hot with no vapor. Timer cut off and i pressed button again could hear a sizzling after a few mor seconds so i put the stainless top cap on and just put the mouthpiece over with no heatshield. Got a good sized hit! But i just wish i didnt have to heat it for so long to get that result snd it looks like im running low on the oil in ther already

You could have flow issues or maybe the battery.
Mine heats up real hot by 10-15 seconds so 30 seconds its very hot, too hot and the oil will boil.

For the SR-71 to work, air must go through the bottom holes around the rod and pass through the coil making vape and then out through the MP. If the air travels a different path - aka the original issue the washer tried to solve allowing air to pass into the MP w/o going through the cart, around it in between the black cover and the SS tube.

In this case you get hot air only. If that is happening this could very well b the issue and my concern for me. So what happens you continue to heat the oil. So vape does happen, but only after it really boils and vapes out, but the air is not sucking it out. Since the oil is so hot, it flows into the bottom area...

So the leaking is a secondary effect, not the primary cause...

Well I haven't had to do one of these tests before, but I think the wax passed. Melted into a clear amber liquid and flowed around the foil giving off a lot of vapor. Left some black stuff behind at the very end but i may have gotten things too hot as I was holding it over a gas stove.

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/9592/nxol.jpg

What say you?

@OF
@PhotoRider

What happens after it completely vapes away - black/brown etc? the remaining stuff is important - things that don't vape away and dirty the equipment.

The flow of the oil does look good, never turns pasty/waxy like OF states?
 
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OF

Well-Known Member

Caligula

Maximus
Well, worse case scenario I just use this to saturate the coil in my Herc once its up and running, no? In the meantime I can vape this reclaimed oil with the 1.5 like a bawss.

Just tried sucking through the back end while heating it up with a hair drier. Ill get back to you after I try it out again.


edit: how much was I supposed to start out with for the test? I didn't use very much.


Update:

@PhotoRider
@OF

Works like a fucking champ now. Thanks guys! I was getting pretty depressed with all these setbacks lately. LOL.
 
Just wanted to share some more info:

I noticed that when I was using the stock 18350 batteries with my SR-71 (white rod @ 7.4v), towards the end of the battery life the Herc would heat and get hot but not produce satisfactory vapor.

I did not have the same experience when I used the AW 18350's. They would produce vapor all the way to the end of the batteries, then blink out 3 time to signal it needs a charge.

I think AW batteries should be a minimum requirement when using a power hungry device like the Hercules SR-71.
Thanks for your input. I understand why that should be a requirement. The aw batteries are much better suited for the design of this unit. Now If I heard you right, you were getting satisfactory vapor on stock batts until the power tapered? i have tried putting it together and tried all of the suggested tweaks so far. I have stock batteries that have been charged less than 10 times, and even on a fresh charge I get wispy
 
Happyendin21,

Caligula

Maximus
Damn it. Worked okay for a few hits but as soon as it cooled down the problem came back. Im assuming this means its going to take a shit ton of priming work to get this thing going each time?
 
Caligula,

PhotoRider

Diagnosed with level 11 G.A.S.
Damn it. Worked okay for a few hits but as soon as it cooled down the problem came back. Im assuming this means its going to take a shit ton of priming work to get this thing going each time?
Maybe. Thick oil. Remove it... Hair dryer in glass dish up side down and flow it out. Try something else and use that somewhere else...

One thing you decide on the learning curve is to find a type that works well, use it only as you figure it out. Minimize the unknowns. Then introduce new oils in a controlled manner when you are more experienced. The prime frustration causes issues learning other features :)
 

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
Guys I'm simply baffled. I have taken 10 Hercules of the production line and can not recreate any of the issues you have described. I am just baffled.

Only thing else is drive down to Sam Diego just to see these hercs in person.

G, I guess the important question would be how much are you loading into each Herc for your tests?
 
kindbeats,

thevaf

Well-Known Member
Thanks for your input. I understand why that should be a requirement. The aw batteries are much better suited for the design of this unit. Now If I heard you right, you were getting satisfactory vapor on stock batts until the power tapered? i have tried putting it together and tried all of the suggested tweaks so far. I have stock batteries that have been charged less than 10 times, and even on a fresh charge I get wispy

If you are getting wispy vapor on fresh charged stock batteries (assuming you already melted oil in the coil) then I would toss this up to an airflow issue and not your batteries. In my post I forgot to mention that I was also using the stock batteries to melt down the oil onto the coil, and I think i was depleting most of the power by the time i got to trying to take hits. I will do another test tonight with stock batteries on an already loaded coil and let you know.
 

thevaf

Well-Known Member
im on skype guys anyone wants to chat, i can show you ill pull off a herc off the line load it up and get it going

hey G, cant get on Skype at the moment (still at work) - I wanted to know if AW 18650 is required for the Hercules Blue rod @ 3.7v vaping flowers.
 
thevaf,

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
Thats a question i cant answer because one mans massive hit is another mans little hit.

Instead of Skyping, can you record a simple video of you getting the Herc up and running, starting from the assembly of the Herc all the way to the loading and first puffs of vapor? It would be a lot more convenient than trying to coordinate a time to meet up on skype (although I do appreciate your efforts to troubleshoot things one on one).

EDIT: Maybe @BLAZING OG could do it if you can't (if that's cool with him, of course!)?
 
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