Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

k3nd4l

Well-Known Member
well i didnt get to testing the sr74x yesterday.. got too high from the v3 kiss cart (benefits of a month long tbreak :brow:). must say that compared to the old 2.4 & 5.0 oe carts i love the kiss. especially now that im using room stable wax loading is soo easy.

Trying out the sr74x at 3.7v right now :science:
 
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chronickiller7

Well-Known Member
If by donut you mean Ti coil, then yes, I use 2 at a pop. It seems to help me control drainage into the lower chamber.

If you are referencing something else, my apologies.

What do you mean two at a pop? I'm thinking of using 2 coils as my oil is runny. Would the buffer have to be more? Also should I squish the top coil if I use two?
 
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mixchu69

Well-Known Member
If by donut you mean Ti coil, then yes, I use 2 at a pop. It seems to help me control drainage into the lower chamber.

If you are referencing something else, my apologies.

That is what I am talking about. On the hercules 74x, does it have a ss cap? When I open my mouthpiece (very smooth), I have a direct look into my ti coil.
 
mixchu69,

Silicon Advisor

Kamikaze in a Hopeless World
That is what I am talking about. On the hercules 74x, does it have a ss cap? When I open my mouthpiece (very smooth), I have a direct look into my ti coil.

OK, thats what I thought. I have "regular" SR-74 with threaded cap. I think I would prefer the non-threaded.

What is the purpose of the top ss cap for the hercules 74x?

My guess is to keep the splash to a minimum. At least reduce the flow that can potentially get up into the little screen.

What do you mean two at a pop? I'm thinking of using 2 coils as my oil is runny. Would the buffer have to be more? Also should I squish the top coil if I use two?

Sorry, by "pop", I meant at one time. I have both coils in the upper-chamber at all times.

I find that any oil/wax/shatter that might have run into the lower-chamber (had I only had one coil in there), is instead absorbed into the bottom of the 2 coils on its way down the upper-chamber. I have not had any oil in my lower-chamber for months using this technique. You might consider giving a little extra buffer.
 
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Silicon Advisor,

Silicon Advisor

Kamikaze in a Hopeless World
I believe that it should have come with one.

Should look like the little piece on the far-right:
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Is that what you are referring to?
 
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mixchu69

Well-Known Member
Silicon advisor,

Yup. I sent in a ticket to w9. I guess it wasn't in the package. I wonder if you can use it without it. So I should put both ti coils in once I get the ss top cap?
 
mixchu69,

Silicon Advisor

Kamikaze in a Hopeless World
Silicon advisor,

Yup. I sent in a ticket to w9. I guess it wasn't in the package. I wonder if you can use it without it. So I should put both ti coils in once I get the ss top cap?

I read that sometimes the ss top cap can get stuck inside the black mouth-piece part when disassembling the unit. I imagine that you already have done this, but did you double-check that to see if that's the case?

Honestly, I wouldn't use it without the top-cap unless you are prepared for a gooey mess inside there, but ymmv...

I do use both coils. Always have and have been happy with the results.
 

mixchu69

Well-Known Member
I think you are right. Sometimes, I have to SMH at my own dumb actions. Silicon advisor, you are a smart guy
 
mixchu69,

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
Nice. I boiled and put the Hercules back together and got 2.3 on the tester from w9. Do people put one or two of the titanium donuts in the Hercules? It looks like it was designed for 1.
The SR-74x is designed for one coil. In my experience, it performs quite poorly with 2 coils compared to the SR-71 and SR-74 which both have rod placement that permits 2 coils.
 

chronickiller7

Well-Known Member
The SR-74x is designed for one coil. In my experience, it performs quite poorly with 2 coils compared to the SR-71 and SR-74 which both have rod placement that permits 2 coils.

So if oil is a little runny at room temperature, should you just use one coil with extra cool down hits? I got oil in the second chamber yesterday, just after had cleaned the hercules a day prior. Really wanna try to not have to open up the herc for a while if possible.
 
chronickiller7,

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
I would not be worried about small amounts of oil leaking if you must load with runny concentrate. It's not going to hurt performance. Store the hercules on its side with the mouthpiece slightly elevated. Runny at room temp is going to leak no matter what. If the oil does not solidify at a certain temperature then you must expect it to behave like a fluid at that temperature.

I would recommend trying both, because I cannot answer this question for you. It is your personal preference. If you are satisfied with the way the Hercules performs with 2 coils, great. If you get better results with one coil, that's cool. If you get less leakage with more cool downs, then the cool downs you were doing before were insufficient. If you don't get any less leakage then you were doing enough. You can always put one coil in, see how it works, and stack a second coil if you are noticing too much leakage in the lower chamber. With the -74, it takes about ten seconds to take the shield off, separate the two chambers, and see what's going on. You can then pop it back together in another ten seconds and decide to add a coil or not or take one out. Don't be scared of using and checking the cart. The more practice you have at it the easier you will realize it is to maintain. The Hercules provides freedom to try different techniques, different voltage rods, different coil/wick configs. Use that to your advantage. Don't take one person's best results, who lives in a different climate, who is using different concentrates, as "the only way". You paid for it, it is yours to do as you see fit, and use it in the way that provides you the most satisfaction. Feel free to experiment, enjoy the device, have fun with it.
 
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mixchu69

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Appreciate the advice. I will use one ti coil. If I have a gram of shatter, can I roll it in a ball and drop it in the hercules?

Since Hercules takes 7.4, do I pulse or hold the button down? (Have been using Persei with ss kit to hit the 3.7 kiss carts so have not experienced 7.4 yet) I usually hold down 3-4 seconds, rest it for three, and so on. How is the technique different than hitting a kiss cart
 
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mixchu69

Well-Known Member
Here's what the coil looks like now that it's saturated and loaded. I'm charging my batteries before I actually try it out. Should I hold or pulse the button?

Hey chronickiller7,

What is the best way to fill and get started with the herc 74x? I was thinking rolling a ball of shatter, about .3gram, and dropping it. How long should I hold down the Persei button to get the ti coil donut saturated? After, I was thinking about throwing in .5 gram at a time.

I love shatter but hated dealing with its stickiness. The herc solves all those problems. I know I am asking a lot of trivial questions, but since I have family in town for a couple of weeks, I don't have time to experiment.
 
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StickyShisha2

Well-Known Member
I will use one ti coil. If I have a gram of shatter, can I roll it in a ball and drop it in the hercules?

i wouldn't drop it all in at once. Perhaps about a third, but it will need more after a few good hits as it melts in. Then load another 1/3 and it should be good to go for a while.

if you load too much at once, some the oil sits too high. By the time the top of the oil is melting, the oil closer to the heater and the coil around it are so hot that it causes a lot of run-through into the bottom chamber
 

spoutti

Well-Known Member
Honnestly, im not sure what the ti coils do, do they get hot themselves and vaporize the oil? Or do some wicking action to feed the ceramic rod to vaporize the oil?

More importantly, would the 2nd coil give bigger clouds?

I have an hypothesis about kiss vs herc clouds. I get bigger clouds with the 7.4v kiss than with my herc71. I read there is an unwanted black residue in concentrates. The herc coils get gunked up with it over time and you need to torch it. Could it be the kiss cart has more the (unwanted) ability to vape that residue explaining the bigger clouds I get with the 7.4v kiss?

About bottom chamber leaking. Is there a way to check it with having to reclaim/rebuild all? I think I have leakage down to a min. But the 1 time I did checked it, my herc wouldnt fire if I simply screwed it back together..

Im starting to learn to handle my herc71. Always have good tasting clouds, always decent clouds. The herc helps me to regulate oil consumption I think. Need more testing :science:
 
spoutti,

chronickiller7

Well-Known Member
Hey chronickiller7,

What is the best way to fill and get started with the herc 74x? I was thinking rolling a ball of shatter, about .3gram, and dropping it. How long should I hold down the Persei button to get the ti coil donut saturated? After, I was thinking about throwing in .5 gram at a time.

I love shatter but hated dealing with its stickiness. The herc solves all those problems. I know I am asking a lot of trivial questions, but since I have family in town for a couple of weeks, I don't have time to experiment.

I only have experience with wax at the moment, but getting some shatter tomorrow. Going to do a full cleaning first. Still have a little oil in the second chamber.

I'm still having an issue with the herc 74x. Everything is working, as in the rod is getting hot and there's good contacts throughout the unit, a good buffer, and low-seated coil. The herc is getting very hot, but minimal vapor. It feels/sounds like the oil is just bubbling up. When I stop drawing, I hear a crackling sound.
 
chronickiller7,

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
Honnestly, im not sure what the ti coils do, do they get hot themselves and vaporize the oil? Or do some wicking action to feed the ceramic rod to vaporize the oil?

More importantly, would the 2nd coil give bigger clouds?

The TI coils would technically be considered the wick of the cart. As for whether or not a second coil would give bigger clouds, the answer is no, but the two coils will help keep runnier oils such as C02 extracts from dripping down into the reclaim chamber. The buffer is also greater with two coils, so keep that in mind as well.
 
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