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Caligula

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You realize all I'm saying is that you should really wait before coming to conclusions, right? I can't think of a single event like this, in recent memory, where all the initial media, and even official government reports were completely accurate.

As I said, people's memories seem to be pretty short around here. Pun intended.
 
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t-dub

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Look, I don't comment in the affirmative often, but this one looks pretty simple. You bet they can detect a SAM11 or SAM17 launch from fucking space, and this plane flew over Germany and Poland for fucks sake so it was all on radar in a very hot zone. The rebel commander BRAGGED about the shoot down on his Russian social media (thinking it was an Antonov 26), even naming the crash site, before deleting the post . . . I mean Cali, this one just might be different in that everyone saw it.
 
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grokit

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Sheppard Smith just said it AGAIN, "US Intel CONFIRMS missile shoot down of Malaysian airliner"
Same being reported by CNN as well.

Grok, what do you need to hear to confirm this?

I just want to read that a US official said it on the record, and not anonymously. When I do a web search for the term, "US Intel CONFIRMS missile shoot down of Malaysian airliner", I get nothing but speculation, and the word "confirms" does not come up in that context on the first page of results.


Look, I don't comment in the affirmative often, but this one looks pretty simple. You bet they can detect a SAM11 or SAM17 launch from fucking space, and this plane flew over Germany and Poland for fucks sake so it was all on radar in a very hot zone. The rebel commander BRAGGED about the shoot down on his Russian social media, even naming the crash site, before deleting the post . . . I mean Cali, this one just might be different in that everyone saw it.
From what I read in the telegraph, he was bragging about shooting down a different plane, and it was about a half an hour before the jetliner was shot down.
 

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This is the most damning information I've seen so far,
but it's more hearsay than evidence at this point:

"Ukraine’s intelligence agency, the State Security Service, known as the SBU, just released what it called audio from intercepted phone calls between separatist rebels and Russian military intelligence officers on Thursday in which they appeared to acknowledge shooting down the civilian jet.

The Ukrainian foreign ministry sent reporters a link to the edited audio of the calls posted on YouTube by the SBU.


According to a translation of the Russian audio by the English-language Kyiv Post, the recording beings with a separatist commander, Igor Bezler, telling a Russian military intelligence official, “We have just shot down a plane.”

In another call, a man who seems to be at the scene says that a group of Cossack militiamen shot down the plane. He adds that it was a passenger plane and that the debris contains no sign of any military equipment. Asked if there are any weapons, he says, “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medical equipment, towels, toilet paper.”

Asked is there are any documents among the debris, the man of the ground says, “Yes, of one Indonesian student.”
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
From the article/transcription . . .
Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.
So as you can see, it was obviously Malaysia Arlines and the civilians at fault here . . . :doh:
 

Crohnie

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MSNBC got pranked about an hour ago. A "Sergeant" who supposedly witnessed the plane explode said:

PRANK CALLER: "I saw a missile streaking toward the plane that blew out of Howard Stern's ass."

MSNBC HOST: "Can you tell us any more, sir?"

PRANK CALLER: "Are you a dumbass?!?


Almost as good as the time a passerby shouted "COCKSUCKER!" that was broadcast live on NBC Nightly News. :lol:
 
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Crohnie

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CNN: "Senior official at the WH confirms that a surface to air missile brought down the plane. "
 
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grokit

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Here's candidate hillary (sounds better than unemployed hillary), already weighing in:



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Also the Daily Beast reports:

"Pieces of the plane, human remains, passports, and money were spread in a radius of 15 kilometers around the catastrophe in the region of Grabovo and Rassypnaya, experts of Russian ministry of emergency affairs (MCHS) and witnesses reported. During the first few hours of the rescue operation, rebel militia discovered remains of over 100 people. There were no Russian citizens among the victims. The “black box” from the airplane traveled to Moscow “for investigation” Russian radio Kommersant FM reported."


So moscow has the transponder, that's kind of a big deal.

Does anybody else feel like WWIII is already happening, it's just being fought covertly and by proxy?


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An obviously left-leaning article that raises some valid questions:

Thursday, July 17, 2014
6 Reasons To Question the Official Story of the Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine

With the recent shooting down of a Malaysian Boeing 777 over Ukraine, the Western media is aflame with fingerpointing at Russia and Ukrainian separatists. However, while NATO and its media mouthpieces attempt to rekindle the Cold War and ignite a confrontation with Russia, there exists a number of fundamental questions surrounding the events that have taken place in Eastern Ukraine.

Although not a detailed list, below are six reasons why one should question the official story of the Malaysian flight shot down over Ukraine.

1.) The Ukrainian separatists do not have the military hardware capable of shooting down an airplane at the height at which the Malaysian Boeing 777 was flying.

Ukrainian separatists are equipped with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles which are capable of bringing down an airplane. This much is true. However, the systems believed to be possessed by the separatists are those such as the Igla missile system, which is incapable of hitting planes at the altitudes at which the Malaysian flight was flying. 33,000 feet is simply too high an altitude to be reached with the shoulder-fired missile delivery systems with which the Ukrainian separatists are currently outfitted.

There is no evidence to suggest that the separatists possess the BUK missile systems. At the time of the writing, this writer is not aware of any reports suggesting that separatists commandeered BUK missile launching systems from the Kiev fascist government forces; the only way they could have acquired them unless given the BUK by Russia, which itself is highly unlikely given Russian strategic concerns.

2.) The Kiev forces do have the BUK missile launching system.

While separatist forces are not known to possess missile systems as advanced as the BUK system, the Kiev forces most certainly do.

The BUK system, which requires transportation and mounting on a tracked vehicle or large truck, is not likely to be in the hands of rebels surviving on Russian small arms and other basic forms of military and tactical aid. BUK is much more the type of system that would be property of a national government.

If the Malaysian plane was shot down using the BUK system, it is the Kiev military forces that should immediately be investigated.

3.) Kiev moved its BUK system to the Donetsk area the day before

Reports emerging from Russian news agencies like ITAR-TASS suggest that the Kiev military moved its BUK missile systems into the area surrounding Donetsk on Wednesday, one day before the Malaysian flight was shot down allegedly using that very missile launching system.

The fact that the type of missiles allegedly used to shoot down the Malaysian flight were not only possessed by the Ukrainian military but moved to the very region and area where the shootdown occurred implicates the Kiev forces vastly more than it does the Russians or the Ukrainian separatists.

4.) The questions surrounding why the Malaysian flight was flying over the area to begin with.

As reported by The Atlantic, the Federal Aviation Administration placed an order prohibiting “American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine” nearly three months ago.

This flight prohibition clearly demonstrates that aviation authorities fully understood that this particular flight path was over a dangerous area. So why was the Malaysian flight flying over this area to begin with?

5.) The timing of the event.

The shooting down of the Malaysian flight conveniently comes only a day after claims by the Ukrainian military that Russia shot down a Ukrainian jet fighter over Ukrainian territory.

It also comes only days after the Western media seized on reports suggesting that the Russian government was considering targeted strikes inside Ukraine in order to protect the Ukrainian people, ethnic Russians, and Russian interests.

Lastly, it comes only hours after the United States issues a statement announcing yet another round of sanctions against Russia.

6.) ANOTHER Malaysian 777.

The fact that the flight shot down over Ukraine is the same type of flight that went missing over the Indian ocean only months before is a highly questionable coincidence. Such a coincidence is almost too big to be believed.

Given the track record of the United States, NATO, and governments in general throughout history, one must at least wonder whether or not the recent shootdown of the Malaysian flight over Ukraine was not simply a false flag designed to drum up national fervor and a new Cold War ultimately leading to a confrontation with Russia.

It is important for the Western public and the rest of the world to become more streetwise regarding incidents such as the Malaysian flight and that they immediately cease to accept an entirely discredited government and media’s explanations as truth.


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This incident has surely pushed the gaza offensive down on the front page:

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Caligula

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Who knows? Soviet Russian surplus has been floating around that region since the USSR fell.

And how long before we get the jobs coming in saying that the CIA did this to foster international disdain for the Russians?

Obama did it. It's only a matter of time.


Well that didin't take long.
 
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This is a cool story, wish it was news.


A President's press conference for the ages

It was a cloudy day in Washington. They said it was going to rain. They had no idea what a hard rain it would be.

A week after his inauguration, the President of the United States was holding a press conference in the White House.

The three major networks were surprised that the President wanted to face reporters so quickly after moving into the Oval Office.

Standing at the lectern, with no notes, and with the teleprompter turned off, the President began:

"I'm surrounded by enemies, and that means you're surrounded by them, too. These enemies are in my government."

Immediately, the television feed was cut. Screens all over the world went black.

Thirty seconds passed.

The picture, quite grainy, and against a background of flickering shapes, came back. Viewers heard shouting in the press room. The President's image wobbled.

He said:

"The Presidency is staged soap opera."

Again, the feed was cut. This time, television screens displayed gray and white snow.

A few seconds later, there were rumbling sounds, later identified as chairs and tables being overturned.

Then, as subsequently reported by the New York Times, "Audio of the President was restored by means not known to the broadcast networks. Apparently, a 'rogue faction' of criminals hacked into NBC, ABC, and CBS network systems and brought the audio back on line."

The President was then clearly heard to say:

"The pharmaceutical industry, with its drugs, kills at least a hundred thousand Americans a year."

There was a loud rattling noise and an explosion (?), but the audio broadcast held. The President continued:

"Genetically modified food crops don't work. The weeds grow bigger and stronger, the herbicide is highly toxic, and the GMO food is missing vital nutrients."

Gunshots were heard.

A few moments later, the television picture was restored. The President, his face sweating, was standing at the podium.

A thick blue substance moved diagonally through the picture, threatening to obliterate it. But suddenly the substance broke up into slender filaments. As if swept by a broom, the filaments fled to the bottom of the picture and vanished. The Times later referred to "a war between two sets of opposing hackers."

Now there was both and sound and picture.

The President said: "There are people in the federal government and above the federal government who are trying to set race against race. Divide and conquer. They want to bring America to its knees. That would be one step closer to global government, and America would be finished.

"The NSA is spying on everyone domestically. The ultimate goal of the Surveillance State is control of the entire population."

A voice shouted, "You're crazy! The President is mentally ill! Don't listen to him!"

Now, the President's image froze.

The audio obviously shifted to another location. (It was later identified as prerecorded.) There were sounds of clinking glasses and background conversation. A voice familiar to all Americans, Barbara Walters', emerged. She seemed to be in the middle of telling a story:

"...twenty-three, twenty-four, I was interviewing politicians for short features...after a while, I caught on. They didn't believe their own pronouncements. They were trying to save their skins...reminded me of this drunken priest I knew in Cleveland. He'd have a few shots of Johnny Walker and talk about how it didn't matter whether there was a God or not. The important thing was preserving the Church...Most of the time Congress doesn't even know what they're voting on. They sure as hell don't read the bills... there's peace and there's propaganda about peace. Which means they're planning war...(background laughter)...selling a mystical hope that a Great Merging would descend from the sky and transform the world. I called it the melted-cheese hypothesis. It doesn't work, unless you want to disappear into a sandwich...(more laughter)...Henry Kissinger wants depopulation..."

That transmission ended, and the still image of the President at the podium unfroze. He was saying:

"...the money in this country is in the hands of the bankers. The Federal Reserve is an ongoing conspiracy of private money men. It isn't part of the government, and never has been.

"This is what I'm facing. I need your help. But first I need you to know the truth. The United States has been taken over by banks, corporations, and a shadow government. I'm supposed to be their front man. But I'm opting out. You deserve better."

The sounds of more shots fired. Again, television screens all over the world went black. But quickly the picture was restored. This time, several billion viewers were looking at a huge cavern. A female voice spoke:

"This is a bunker under JP Morgan in New York. Behind me, you can see racks holding gold bars. This vault connects to another one under the New York Federal Reserve. A large amount of gold has been transferred here---"

The audio went dead.

A male voice said: "This is Brian Williams, NBC News. Transmission of the President's press conference has been interrupted by unknown elements. We're getting word now that a national state of emergency has been declared. A spokesman for the Central Intelligence Agency has told us that a---"

Williams was gone. Soft music began to play. An old television test pattern bled onto screens, but it vanished.

Viewers heard the President talking, as if from far away. He was shouting something unintelligible. The words "Secret Service" and "the reporters stay" were heard.

The soft music stopped. Unaccountably, it was replaced by the sound of marching men.

"I don't know!" someone shouted close to a microphone.

A blistering close-up image of soldiers, rage written on their faces, exploded on screens and disappeared.

---Voice of the President, blurred but intelligible: "Either get these reporters to file their stories or tell them to stay..."

---Audio only, Dianne Sawyer, ABC News: "...told me I had two minutes before...Good evening. The President's press conference has been disrupted. Reporters on the scene are telling us that the President appeared ill and in pain. We're trying to get through to Walter Reed Hospital. We have a statement from Marianne Buckley, head of the Department of Health and Human Services. "The President has a fever," Ms. Buckley reports.

Suddenly, what was eventually identified as footage of American astronauts aboard a Shuttle flight in 1993 came online. Two astronauts were turning slow somersaults in the main cabin. A third was reaching for a pair of socks floating in mid-air.

A rapid series of slides appeared. They showed various angles on a beach house. Two adults and three young children came running out the front door.

A voice said, "This looks like Charlie and his family. They have a cottage on the Cape. These are shots of his vacation."

Another voice replied: "We're just trying to get anything we can onscreen."

---Next, a document obviously inserted into the feed by a quite different source appeared: one page of text, under the masthead and seal of the CIA. It was dated April 8, 1962, and marked "top secret":

"Commencing on May 1, 1962, all projects of MKULTRA will be transferred to the Office of Research and Development (ORD). From that point on, FOIA requests will go unanswered. Security will be tightened. If at any time in the future, Agency employees are called to testify in proceedings, they will state that MKULTRA was terminated in the spring of 1962. Under no circumstances will they engage in discussion about electronic means of mind control..."

Another page then appeared on screens. It was a page torn out of a notebook. In the middle of the page, a handwritten paragraph was highlighted.

---A female voice read it:

"Since 1968, the CIA has vetted every major-party candidate for the Presidency. This means the CIA has had a hand in deciding who should lead out nation and what policies that man should follow. I would call this a palace revolution. William Colby, CIA Director, 1973-1976."

The feed, both audio and video, went dead. Screens went gray.

An hour later, television programming resumed. In an extraordinary show of force, the three major networks laid on a roundtable, featuring their national anchors sitting together in the White House Rose Garden.

Brian Williams led off:

"The FBI, CIA, and the Department of Homeland Security have issued a preliminary statement about the President's chaotic press conference. It reads as follows:

(end part one)
 
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