MrNaturalAZ
Tree hugging dirt worshipper
Just thought I'd check in on this thread, being the proud new owner of a genuine MFLB (having retired my cheap plastic knock-off).
The Magic-Flight Box
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exsterminator
Member
For those of you using PA2 for flowers, what heat setting do you recommend? Is there a 1-10 of what people are heating at each setting, like flowers 3-4, wax at 6...
TanukiCoast
Fogbound
It differs, from a bit lower than middle for headier effects and a bit higher than middle for more of a body high
axakal
Well-Known Member
i did two refresh cycles on the glyphs. some values on the display really increased in comparison to the previous simple charge. however, i don't know, whether i should do another refresh cycle or not. can the experts tell me, what the display should show in an (almost) ideal scenario?
it's an accucell 800 charger, probably known under a different brand around here.
at the moment it shows 2.08 Ah, 1,42V, 200mA, without telling me, that the battery is fully charged after some 26h, so i am assuming the discharge and refresh is not completed yet. the battery itself is cold.
it's an accucell 800 charger, probably known under a different brand around here.
at the moment it shows 2.08 Ah, 1,42V, 200mA, without telling me, that the battery is fully charged after some 26h, so i am assuming the discharge and refresh is not completed yet. the battery itself is cold.
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KidFated.
Unknown Member
I use my draw rate to control temp mainly with the pa
A refresh of the glyph batteries can take 36 hours. Be patient.
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Depends where I've got it plugged in and which box I'm using. My maple box is 4 years old and heats up much slower than my 6 month old walnut box. At home the maple box runs well at 6.5 while in the car it runs at 10 with the engine running. The walnut box runs at 5 at home and about 8.5 in the car with the engine running or 10 with the engine stopped.
It differs between power sources and boxes ... boxes start to heat up slower and not get as hot the longer you use them.
axakal
Well-Known Member
is it the Ah value that counts and it should be at 2,5 after a complete refresh cycle, right? how often is it advised to do a refresh cycle?
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Yes. You'll be lucky if it reaches 2.5 aH though, it usually comes up a bit short. Refresh rarely. When the battery starts losing capacity (aH) then consider another refresh. It's not magic and will be less successful over time. The batteries do wear out.
axakal
Well-Known Member
thanks, that's exactly what i needed to know. they worn out quickly and only showed around 0,5Ah after a simple recharge, the refresh did some magic and i'm happy it worked. i know, they'll die eventually, but not before serving well their higher purpose. 
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I've recently developed a coughing issue with my MFLB. I use the MFLB naked around town and inside the house I use the glass draw tube. Doesn't matter which way I use it - I immediately get a sensitive reaction causing me to cough as if I was back in the ol combustion days and just took a large, harsh combusted hit. I do the standard, depress battery, 5 second wait, draw for 10 secs while letting a little air in the side of the mouth.
The MFLB was tickling the back of my throat on draw from day 1 but not like this. I've tried the 'let it hit your tongue first' approach.
The coughing issue started a few days after I got my Solo. I don't cough or have any sensitivity at all with the Solo and I'm using the same product in both. I use the Solo as my main driver at home and the MFLB as my only driver outside the home. I use the MFLB in the house as a 'I just want a quick one-hit-pick-me-up but don't want to wait for the Solo to heat up or have to repack the Solo.
Makes me sad - The MFLB was my first and can't be beat around town. But she's starting to feel like that first girl you fall in love with that turns out not to be good for you but you can't get yourself to stop seeing her
Anyone else develop a coughing issue with the MFLB after getting a new, less harsh, vape?
The MFLB was tickling the back of my throat on draw from day 1 but not like this. I've tried the 'let it hit your tongue first' approach.
The coughing issue started a few days after I got my Solo. I don't cough or have any sensitivity at all with the Solo and I'm using the same product in both. I use the Solo as my main driver at home and the MFLB as my only driver outside the home. I use the MFLB in the house as a 'I just want a quick one-hit-pick-me-up but don't want to wait for the Solo to heat up or have to repack the Solo.
Makes me sad - The MFLB was my first and can't be beat around town. But she's starting to feel like that first girl you fall in love with that turns out not to be good for you but you can't get yourself to stop seeing her
Anyone else develop a coughing issue with the MFLB after getting a new, less harsh, vape?
New_World
Cuck Fombustion
I've recently developed a coughing issue with my MFLB. I use the MFLB naked around town and inside the house I use the glass draw tube. Doesn't matter which way I use it - I immediately get a sensitive reaction causing me to cough as if I was back in the ol combustion days and just took a large, harsh combusted hit. I do the standard, depress battery, 5 second wait, draw for 10 secs while letting a little air in the side of the mouth.
The MFLB was tickling the back of my throat on draw from day 1 but not like this. I've tried the 'let it hit your tongue first' approach.
The coughing issue started a few days after I got my Solo. I don't cough or have any sensitivity at all with the Solo and I'm using the same product in both. I use the Solo as my main driver at home and the MFLB as my only driver outside the home. I use the MFLB in the house as a 'I just want a quick one-hit-pick-me-up but don't want to wait for the Solo to heat up or have to repack the Solo.
Makes me sad - The MFLB was my first and can't be beat around town. But she's starting to feel like that first girl you fall in love with that turns out not to be good for you but you can't get yourself to stop seeing her
Anyone else develop a coughing issue with the MFLB after getting a new, less harsh, vape?
maybe take shorter hits or don't press the heat as long.
no need to count seconds just taste the vapor to see where you are at.
puddleglum
Well-Known Member
Anyone else out there using the MFLB for bubble hash? I love it so much for this purpose (maybe even more so than for flowers). I find that if I load that trench full up, the material lasts even longer than the charge on the batteries! (Maybe time to invest in the MF power adapter )
As a side benefit, the ABV-hash edibles are phenomenal.
)As a side benefit, the ABV-hash edibles are phenomenal.
OF
Well-Known Member
Yes, many of us have. But use the adapter for this, don't even think about putting on the bare mesh.
I find the adapter with the mesh pad works best for bubble and solvent extracts. You still need to be careful of spills sometimes (watch the automatic shaking between hits).
OF
puddleglum
Well-Known Member
Au contraire! I have been enjoying hash vaping without the concentrate tray, all day every day for months, with no damage to the unit. I use the Finishing Grinder to grind the concentrate into a fine, kiefy powder which gives delicious clouds. When I am done vaping, the leftover material is a dry, sandy powder that cleans up easily with the included brush (and makes potent brownies). There is no leftover residue or resin to damage the MFLB.
I should add that the concentrate in question is very pure with no solvents. Basically it is nothing but pressed kief. I would not recommend using MFLB without the concentrate tray if your hash is in any way sticky or resinous.
Also as a disclaimer, I have never tried the MF concentrate tray, so it's possible I suppose that using it would drastically increase my enjoyment as compared to the bare box. But it seems like you can fit a lot less material, which is bad... the bare trench holds a lot of hash and will last me for hours.
OF
Well-Known Member
Please be careful not to quote out of context. If you check the topic was BUBBLE hash, something widely reported to have seriously fouled screens?
Big difference. Perhaps what you have is OK, but Bubble Hash is known to have caused problems......which is why the adapters came to be??? I hope nobody fails to notice that and wrecks their MFLB on such advice.........
OF
puddleglum
Well-Known Member
Maybe we are having a miscommunication (I am very new to FC and still learning the terminiology). My hash-making bags say 'BUBBLE' on them and I use a bucket of ice water (no solvents). Is that 'bubble hash' or something different? Maybe 'bubble hash' has different meanings in different parts of the world, is that possible? The entire reason I purchased the MFLB in the first place is because I asked my friendly local head shop employee "what is the best portable vape for bubble"?
I would feel terrible if someone ruined their MFLB because of me.
Do you have a link to testimonials from people who have wrecked their MFLB using this type of concentrate, so that I can educate myself on the risks?
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Krazzykid
Well-Known Member
The problem is bubble hash comes in many different grades.Maybe we are having a miscommunication (I am very new to FC and still learning the terminiology). My hash-making bags say 'BUBBLE' on them and I use a bucket of ice water (no solvents). Is that 'bubble hash' or something different? Maybe 'bubble hash' has different meanings in different parts of the world, is that possible? The entire reason I purchased the MFLB in the first place is because I asked my friendly local head shop employee "what is the best portable vape for bubble"?
I would feel terrible if someone ruined their MFLB because of me.
Some are impure containing higher levels of plant matter, and won't melt when heat is applied(this is what you have sounds like). These "might" be fine to use directly in the trench, at your risk of course.
Other grades of bubble hash are more pure and will melt(some only slightly), these will destroy your launch box if used directly in the trench.
This is the more common type of bubble hash, not fully melting but partial to the point it's "gooey" (common in that it's what people think of when they hear bubble hash)
This is why you shouldn't go around recommending people put bubble hash in their launch box without the concentrate trays, someone could destroy their equipment based on your advice.
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OF
Well-Known Member
Maybe 'bubble hash' has different meanings in different parts of the world, is that possible? The entire reason I purchased the MFLB in the first place is because I asked my friendly local head shop employee "what is the best portable vape for bubble"?
I would feel terrible if someone ruined their MFLB because of me.
Yes, while there is some different meanings I guess, generally extracts made by water extraction (usually by graded mesh bags) are what guys are talking about. Usually with ice I'm told? The product contains a lot of random plant stuff (including waxes) along with the THC. It's a cheap/simple way to concentrate but a lot of junk comes along for the ride. It gets all gooey (another technical term) but won't evaporate. It's what fouls out concentrate vapes like Revolution/DART and Cera EO. It defies easy washing with alcohol (not that you want to get alcohol in your MFLB) once it gets on the screen, and once 'burned in' it's basically there for the duration.
Some, very carefully made, Bubble Hash can be quite clean. Nearing zero residue, but that is the exception by a wide margin. What most guys make or buy for cheap at the dispensary is pretty dirty really (which is why it's the cheapest hash in the display case......).
A good test for 'feedability' of concentrates in purpose based units like the ones above, Omicron cart and the rest is the 'foil test'. Put a little bit on some aluminum foil and heat it from below with your lighter. What you want is for it to easily and quickly melt completely (at one temperature, unlike say butter), flow freely (meaning clean and uniformly like a 'thin' liquid) and then quickly 'flash' to vapor (all in an instant at the same temperature rather than in stages) leaving no (or at most a tiny amount of) residue. It's the residue that will foul the screen over time. Perversely, the first bit will attract more and more, eventually plugging the mesh locally which will make it still worse.........
Some guys don't care, even reserving a corner or end of the trench for this, but other freak right out at the smallest 'stain'. Best avoided generally IMO. There is a lower risk way (the adapters) if you want.
There is also traditional mechanically produced hash, done by dry screening out the kief basically and pressing it into blocks. This isn't really a concentrate in the normal sense, it's basically 'super bud powder'. Under the right conditions it should (and does the few times I tried it) vape wonderfully. Remember, though, the LB is a conduction vape so break up the lumps fine and shake between hits?
No, I'm sorry I don't keep track of links to other guys problems (it's enough for me to try to remember and relate some of the details). I suspect a search on 'bubble' might find some? You might also look back a year of so to when the adapter trays came out, there was a lot of good discussion back then on techniques.
Regards,
OF
puddleglum
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the good discussion, I appreciate the info and the discussion!
The bubble hash I've been vaping doesn't melt or ooze at all, it is a dry, kiefy powder that easily brushes out of the MFLB and leaves no residue. My layman's understanding is that it's mostly just trichomes. I've never purchased at a dispensary, so I am not very familiar with the different options and grades on the market these days. I will say that my entire peer group is enchanted with the bubble+FG+MFLB method, so mine is not an isolated experience.
If you have a different kind of hash from what I describe (i.e. dry, hard, crumbly kief chunks that don't melt or liquefy), then you should absolutely definitely proceed with caution as OF recommends. Perhaps a good test is to put your hash through the Finishing Grinder: mine easily (like, 2 or 3 turns of the grinder) grinds into a dry, non-sticky powder and leaves nothing sticky behind in the grinder. In fact, my sticky flowers seem to grind better after I have previously used the FG to grind my hash. But, if your hash is sticky and makes a mess out of your FG, then it probably is not safe to use in your Flight Box without the concentrate tray (I would imagine).
The bubble hash I've been vaping doesn't melt or ooze at all, it is a dry, kiefy powder that easily brushes out of the MFLB and leaves no residue. My layman's understanding is that it's mostly just trichomes. I've never purchased at a dispensary, so I am not very familiar with the different options and grades on the market these days. I will say that my entire peer group is enchanted with the bubble+FG+MFLB method, so mine is not an isolated experience.
If you have a different kind of hash from what I describe (i.e. dry, hard, crumbly kief chunks that don't melt or liquefy), then you should absolutely definitely proceed with caution as OF recommends. Perhaps a good test is to put your hash through the Finishing Grinder: mine easily (like, 2 or 3 turns of the grinder) grinds into a dry, non-sticky powder and leaves nothing sticky behind in the grinder. In fact, my sticky flowers seem to grind better after I have previously used the FG to grind my hash.
But, if your hash is sticky and makes a mess out of your FG, then it probably is not safe to use in your Flight Box without the concentrate tray (I would imagine).
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Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Most of the bubble hash I've come across is melty and oily, lending itself to better use with the unscreened concentrate trays. I've had some bubble hash that's a little drier than usual which has worked fine mixed with some herb in the trench. Regular hashes have been fine with a grind and some herb as well. If you're running your bubble hash through the Finishing Grinder and it's not gumming it up then it's likely dry enough to work fine on the trench. I remember kief from a particular strain that was a total pain in the ass to vape on the trench by itself because it would bubble up and clear dome all over, turning into a glue-like substance after the first hit. Had to put it on the unscreened tray to vape it easier. I had to dry-burn and use a bit of ISO to remove the residue from it, but it vaporized perfectly on the trays. Here is a video I took of said pressed kief so you can see what I mean. The small stick-like things are what I believe to be trichome stalks which don't have nearly as much of the oils as the trichome heads do.
brain_combustion
New Member
went to smokeshop today for a new unit and this was one of the cheapest. is it really a vape? wasnt going to buy it after my bad experience with other units that burn vs vape
puddleglum
Well-Known Member
Do a search on "Convection vs Conduction Vaporizers" for more reading, but in a nutshell, conduction vapes (like the MFLB) heat the plant material with a hot surface, while convection vapes (like the Volcano) heat the plant material with a flow of hot air.
MFLB can definitely combust the material if you aren't careful. That said, it is an excellent stealth vape in my opinion.
KidFated.
Unknown Member
My favorite vaporizer actually. Yeah it can combust, but that's user error.