The Magic-Flight Box
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OF
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I think MFLB is an acquired taste in a way. And frankly, from what you've just said perhaps not for you. It's very frugal, meaning small volumes in the load and many hits extracting it. Max load is about 1/8 gram, is that a full session for you?
Solo or Air (both well under $200) feature twice that volume (roughly) and don't involve a lot of manipulations of the battery, shaking and so on. IMO everyone should (eventually) have a MFLB, but I'm thinking this might not be your time? The box is as much art as a tool.
Yes, that's what I'd recommend. Otherwise you run the risk of fouling the screen with burnt on resin you've no way of removing.
I think the trays are OK, a bit fiddly to load and use (and I keep reflexively shaking the box......) but the do work well when coupled with a PA.
Good luck with it.
OF
Rush520
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Ya know it's funny, I seemed to remember the trench being quite large the one time I used a Box but if it really only holds an 1/8g then that's nice, as conservation is also a high priority.
I don't think I'd be using the box for instant gratification so I don't mind and will likely enjoy the longer sessions with it while lounging. For on the go, I'd likely pack a trench and go stemless and however medicated that gets me should be fine. I don't particularly enjoy being in crowded public places high, because it is pretty noticeable (my eyes may get bloodshot but almost always get heavy and are half closed lol)
Does the Air really load more herb than the Box? I'd have to see an air in person I guess but for stealth and portability I think I lean towards the box (stemless on the go). Additionally, do the batteries really only last 4-5 minutes of usage?
MrNaturalAZ
Tree hugging dirt worshipper
That's probably about right, maybe a bit more - depends on battery condition and brand. But that's not as short as it sounds once you realize that it's only the time the battery is actually engaged and heating the trench. Being as how the MFLB heats to operating temperature practically instantly, you're only measuring time that you are actually hitting it. So, if you take, say, 15-second hits, "only" five minutes equates to 20 hits. If you need more than that, just throw as many extra charged (and capped!) batteries as you need in your pocket or kit.
Or, looking at it a different way, a fully charged battery should last for at least one full trench, and you might get a second trench out of it, but it's recommended that you swap in a fresh battery each time you refill the trench.
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OF
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Yep, I think so. Or I wouldn't have said so.
While you can use domed screens (like many of us do) to get the capacity down to the same general range, stock stems hold well over .20 grams IIRC. I currently use half the volume (seriously domed screen) and load about 1/8:
OF
Rush520
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I should probably get a scale lol design wise, how can somebody not love the MFLB? I'd be comfortable convincing any non vape/cannabis user that my little wooden box is used for anything but vaporizing. And these days where everyone and their mother is walking around with huge tobacco/e-juice vape pen/machines, I'd hate for my Air to be confused with those shits lol
$120 for the box and all the extras PuffItUp includes in the combo package I think is a great deal that I am going to jump on. Received invoice from Randy at PIU just gotta click the play button.
$120 for the box and all the extras PuffItUp includes in the combo package I think is a great deal that I am going to jump on. Received invoice from Randy at PIU just gotta click the play button.
stark1
Lonesome Planet
Be nice if they had another version where the battery is parallel to the unit, it would s(l)ize down the profile in half, and look Streamlined.
The rectangular box shape could be oval in design to fit nicely in the hand. Blah. Blah. Etc.
Last in my wish list: A smaller version of the Box, using AAA...
Where in the Box do you insert that glass thingamajig, looks like it might hurt....
The rectangular box shape could be oval in design to fit nicely in the hand. Blah. Blah. Etc.
Last in my wish list: A smaller version of the Box, using AAA...
While you can use domed screens (like many of us do) to get the capacity down to the same general range, stock stems hold well over .20 grams IIRC. I currently use half the volume (seriously domed screen) and load about 1/8:
OF
Where in the Box do you insert that glass thingamajig, looks like it might hurt....
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OF
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Is that a serious question?
The topic was Air stem capacity relative to the trench, I was trying to show how much larger Air is.......
OF
Maybe the 'Best Of' thread would be slightly more manageable? . . . .
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-the-magic-flight-box-thread.13658/
Maintenance? What maintenance?! Season & enjoy my friend. Oh, & DON'T even think about touching that screen!
I hope you enjoy your charming new little wooden box
Rush520
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THIS is what I was looking for lol but yes I should have checked the best of. Thanks.Maintenance? What maintenance?! Season & enjoy my friend. Oh, & DON'T even think about touching that screen!
JamesTiberiousKirk
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For maintenance with the mflb I shake the ABV over a receptacle, blow in the box a couple of times, then blow through the glass stem. Every few trenches I dust the screen with the brush and eat some sushi.
The eating of sushi is optional, but I enjoy making an excuse to eat sushi.
Maintaining the batteries requires forethought. That is my Achilles heel with the mflb.
The eating of sushi is optional, but I enjoy making an excuse to eat sushi.
Maintaining the batteries requires forethought. That is my Achilles heel with the mflb.
stark1
Lonesome Planet
For most units, there should not be issues with the heater hammock; however, take care that the batteries are capped when transporting:
Without their caps, keys, and loose change, will cause the batteries to discharge in your pants pockets.
Becoming extremely hot, the meaning of "hot pants" will become painfully apparent.
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MrNaturalAZ
Tree hugging dirt worshipper
I was curious after reading this, so I decided to see for myself just how much a full trench actually weighs. I'll start by saying these are MY results - yours may vary. Possible variables are the dryness of the herb, the fineness of the grind, and loading technique.
My process for this experiment was to quickly grind the herb in a regular grinder, followed by the MF Finishing Grinder into the Box. I manipulated the contents to ensure it was evenly filled to the top of the rails and gently smoothed (without packing) with a finger. This is my usual technique if loading a full trench.
I then emptied the contents onto my digital scale (.01g resolution) and it measured exactly .20 grams.
OF
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We differ in technique (as might be expected). In addition to using different bud (always well cured and therefore less dense?), and I think I grind more coarse by a fair bit. And I definitely don't jam every bit in making the top flat and even with the rails. That's only useful for the first hit, after a shake it's a given some herb will end up outside the trench (IMO an over fill). Unless, of course, you open it up each time and sweep stuff back in.
As I've said a few times here I usually process a gram or two at a time, and weigh each load out and put it in a vial for use in turn. My 'window' is '.12 something' grams. That is I take .120 to .129 grams and adjust when outside that range. It's actually very fast/easy. I zero the scale with the vial (minus cap) and funnel, then using a scoop add what's usually just over .10 grams then 'dribble up to the mark'. Since the herb is clinging to the funnel it's easy to remove some if I go too far.
My standard trench load is 1/8 gram. By weight, not volume. Sometimes more bulk than others, but never over the top when shaken between hits. I rarely want more, but of course have no problem dumping the trench into the ABV jar (or on the ground if in the garden) and loading another. The premeasured vials make that fast and easy.
OF
axakal
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as i read your comment, i remember to have seen this thing. but with 18.5 EUR a tad overpriced for my taste. the pen is the same solve uses for the vaponic but it actually writes. byuing the pen and the vials separately may reduce the price a little. i'd maybe insert a copper pipe for stability and buy vials that fit the new inner diameter. may reduce the loading capacity but saves me some grieve in a case of clumsines.
byuing the pen and the vials separately may reduce the price a little. i'd maybe insert a copper pipe for stability and buy vials that fit the new inner diameter. may reduce the loading capacity but saves me some grieve in a case of clumsines.
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OF
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Wow, that's nearly 20 real dollars! Like seven bucks each? Do they come full of bubble hash or something? You might want to poke around some for 'dram vials', the ones I get are a tiny fraction of that cost:
http://www.sunburstbottle.com/amber-glass-vials/p/A18/
You can get other colors, and clear, but I kinda like the amber ones. And I definitely like $.40 over $6.60. BTW my usual 'carry pack' is a four AA cell plastic holder with 2 fresh batteries and 2 of the prefilled vials in the other 'slots'. With the box filled (no battery) that gives me 2 batteries for 3 trenches......no worries. No loading/power issues.
OF
MrNaturalAZ
Tree hugging dirt worshipper
Right. I don't always fill mine that full - only if I'm trying to get as much in as I can. I thought the question was what the most that could be properly loaded into a trench. While I rarely do microloads, I often fill mine to "almost full" - at or just below the bottom of the rails. This gives as rich a first hit as top-of-rail full (only the screen between the rails heats) and, as you say, is easier to get back into the trench after shaking.
That said, a full-to-the-rails trench really isn't that much trouble. I've found that as it dries over the first few hits, the volume shrinks by just a bit. Also, I've gotten pretty good at getting the product from the "gutters" back into the trench with carefull tapping on the sides. It has become an automatic part of the ritual. No opening or sweeping necessary.
I like the idea of the small single-load vials! Much easier field re-loading. Or just for when I'm too tired or lazy to mess around with grinding. I should find me some of those.
Amazon has 'em in clear for $5.49 a dozen (1 or 2 dram size, same price) and qualify for Prime or $35 free shipping:
1-dram http://www.amazon.com/Glass-Vials-Dram-Pack-12/dp/B002JV6976/
2-dram http://www.amazon.com/Glass-Vials-Dram-Pack-12/dp/B002JV89OC/
The Amazon ones are clear with black lids, and come out to under 46 cents each shipped. So they fit in a battery holder, huh? very cool! Order placed for a dozen of each (1-dram for MFLB, 2-dram for Ascent) - THANKS
OF
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Right. I don't always fill mine that full - only if I'm trying to get as much in as I can.
The Amazon ones are clear with black lids, and come out to under 46 cents each shipped. So they fit in a battery holder, huh? very cool! Order placed for a dozen of each (1-dram for MFLB, 2-dram for Ascent) - THANKS
I hope you don't think 'trying to get as much as I can' is going to separate you from many folks these days. Seems to be all the rage these days........
Yeah, serendipity I think it's called. I was using a two AA holder in one pocket (to guard against the dreaded key/change pants fire) and a couple vials in the other pocket. Then I noticed...... The caps are a tiny bit bigger in OD than the vials, which can make fitting them involve careful placement, but they fit in the 3 styles of cases I've tried. Oh, yeah, another tip is a small piece of that thin sheet 'packing foam' (expanded polyethylene I think) or a piece of cotton cloth in the bottom keeps batteries and vials from making noise.
Great source, thanks for the link. Hope you're enjoying it soon, I know it's changed my routine. I have about two dozen vials in rotation, when I get down to half a dozen or so I go on a refill bender. IMO two key bits of gear for that are a small plastic funnel that you can wedge in the vial that lets it still stand upright (or put the vial in a hole in something, I put it right on the scale since I weigh). Also a small stick that fits in the hole in the funnel to poke the herb in before capping. I actually timed a batch a while back (yeah, I know).....under a minute per to pull the buds, grind them (in my coffee grinder), meter out and cap. I bet I mess with loading the trench more than a minute in the best of conditions one trench at a time.
Keep it well cured, fine ground, loaded under the rails, powered by well charged suitable batteries and shake, shake, shake between hits.......... Good times on the come.
Thanks again.
OF
GetLeft
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Hey @OF, thanks for that visual with the domed screens! I think that this is a set up I'll try. Any specs on those bad boys?
I'm loving the Air, but I will probably only fill the whole bowl on rare occasions. The dome screen looks like it will allow me to a) secure my bud between the dome screen and the glass bowl (the bud sits in the space between the concave side of the dome screen and the glass screen of the stem, correct?), b) vape smaller doses, and c) grind! (I tried grinding a couple of days ago and had to pack it in tight--which created a tough draw--to keep it from falling into the heater).
OF
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Hey, the photo might be mine, but our own Sinclue gets the blame for the idea:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-96#post-730350
Link on where to get them there (domestic EBay guy), poke around some, he offers all sorts of size of order options. Lots of us have been 'doming screens' in Solo for some time, my prior favorite was 5/8 inch. Domed screens also allow more time between cleanings since the four ports don't foul as fast with the increased area of the dome.
No, the bud goes on top, the easy way. Because the ABV is has a 'skirt' around the side of the dome, the load tends to say well placed and well behaved. Here's another post on them, where the above photo was first posted:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-101#post-732326
Superior to home made for sure. BTW to clean them when they finally foul, simply pull them out (I use a hook end on a safety pin), hold them in pliers/a clamp/an unused roach clip and hit it with a small torch until the SS wire glows. Seriously. The residue is reduced to light ash and can be blown or brushed free and returned to service in a minute's time.
OF
GetLeft
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OF
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Try it, IMO you won't like it. It's backwards that way, you want the load close to the plate and pressed up against the side walls (where the heat is.....). The parts of the stem you suggest are basically the ones you normally want to avoid.
Keeping stuff off the oven floor is really not a bit deal IMO. Unless you really bump the heat up the worse it can do is singe things a bit. We went through a series of screens and custom made plates, but it basically did no better than a 'hamster style' start does.....and it's more fun. Easier and more fun are a good combination I think.
But while a fun, and hopefully useful, exchange it's also the MFLB thread? I suggest we drop the topic and pick it up on the Air or Solo threads? Lots of good folks with good advice/experience there you know.
Regards,
OF
GetLeft
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Hey MFLBers, thanks for letting me take up some of your thread! I was very very very close to making the mflb my first vape so I appreciate reading all your thoughts on it. I have a pretty good feeling I'll be back soon with lots of questions that do belong on this thread.
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