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SmorezNTickles

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Gregori said:
Don't you think there will be some kind of stress-test/quality contrôle ? How long will that last ? I can't imagine them rushing after being so scrupulous for so looooooong. (with 7 ô)
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This is what I am fearing next. Some type of tolerance buildup issue where some parts won't fit with other parts and the yield gets really low.

I'm starting to realize that while I really like these guys and want them to succeed they are not the best at figuring out what obstacles might be in front of them. That I guess is why we are funding their education though.
 
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syrupy

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You know, if the heater parts don't arrive or work , I'd be willing to buy the body section and turn it into a tactical pen....



...but only if they throw in the box for free. :)


@fft I like your statement about funding their education. It's true, people are funding not only the creation of the vape product and the knowledge of how to make it, but also paying for the Business 101 education for Trev & Co. It appears to me engineering is quite a different skill set than business planning.

I would honestly be surprised if there's any significant testing before shipping. Those bags of parts are already paid for, they need to get those products out of the door or the whole ship can start to take on water.
 
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Snappo

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fft said:
This is what I am fearing next. Some type of tolerance buildup issue where some parts won't fit with other parts and the yield gets really low.

I'm starting to realize that while I really like these guys and want them to succeed they are not the best at figuring out what obstacles might be in front of them. That I guess is why we are funding their education though.
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I would conversely suggest that the GH team is funding our education. No one here is expert in what business vehicle they are driving, experiencing, and investing in. This is a learning experience for everyone concerned where no one holds a Ph. D.
 
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Snappo said:
I would conversely suggest that the GH team is funding our education. No one here is expert in what business vehicle they are driving, experiencing, and investing in. This is a learning experience for everyone concerned where no one holds a Ph. D.
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I would reverse your converse to suggest that more than one of the issues GH is grappling with are covered in pretty basic business planning. I don't see their biggest problems as being technical (but those are there) or vape-specific, but business decisions that look kind of poorly executed. I think they should have brought in more straight business expertise. It feels to me like it's Steve Wozniak building computers in his garage, but needs a sharp Steve Jobs type to whip this into shape.

My experience: engineers make crappy businesspeople.

Edit: Also, some FCers have their own businesses, business degrees, and associates who are engineers, CEOs, and VCers.
 
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syrupy said:
I would reverse your converse to suggest that more than one of the issues GH is grappling with are covered in pretty basic business planning. I don't see their biggest problems as being technical (but those are there) or vape-specific, but business decisions that look kind of poorly executed. I think they should have brought in more straight business expertise. It feels to me like it's Steve Wozniak building computers in his garage, but needs a sharp Steve Jobs type to whip this into shape.

My experience: engineers make crappy businesspeople.
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My (40+ years in business) experience in general: Business people make poor engineers (with exceptions of course).

The GH team have pulled together and executed what few have dared, and fewer succeeded.

Too much undue speculation and presumptive judgment going on here. Plenty of opportunity here to live and learn for everybody - and enough value in it all for everyone without a need for throwing stones.
 
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Sorry if it sounds like throwing stones, but promoting a product and missing the shipping date by a year seems to invite the what-happened question.

What I believe we can agree on @Snappo is that product performance is the most important. If it kicks ass, the box jokes will be long forgotten. But if there's performance problems, all the well wishes in the world won't help them.

Yes, it's speculative. I thought that's what Thread Candidates were about?

Edit: Not trying to be negative, but realistic. Remember, I'm a self-interested, biased consumer.
 
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syrupy said:
Sorry if it sounds like throwing stones, but promoting a product and missing the shipping date by a year seems to invite the what-happened question.

What I believe we can agree on @Snappo is that product performance is the most important. If it kicks ass, the box jokes will be long forgotten. But if there's performance problems, all the well wishes in the world won't help them.

Yes, it's speculative. I thought that's what Thread Candidates were about?

Edit: Not trying to be negative, but realistic. Remember, I'm a self-interested, biased consumer.
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I would suggest for those unable to quell their hyper - impulsive unquenchable need for instant gratification that they manufacturer it themselves, from scratch. Walk a mile or a year in their shoes and then see if views change, not before.
 
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syrupy said:
What I believe we can agree on @Snappo is that product performance is the most important. If it kicks ass, the box jokes will be long forgotten. But if there's performance problems, all the well wishes in the world won't help them.
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Agreed, I've worked as a production artist for a couple decades, and when we're not on time for whatever reasons the mantra is "No one will remember it was late, as long as it's GOOD". This is a bit of an extreme case, I judge mostly due to poor perception management. I am wondering where in their schedule they put Quality Control - the backers and preorder's are the real beta program, but they must have a buncha tests for the parts as they come in, plus testing functionality on the other end of production...

Anyway, it's so much easier to wait when I know why! There'll all these expectations that now they could be finishing Hoppers when clearly they can't. A successful crowdfunded project is not the rule, I paid to be part of the ride. If all this ends in a functioning company it'll be something to celebrate, and I still feel like we have a good shot!
 
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Snappo said:
I would suggest for those unable to quell their hyper - impulsive unquenchable need for instant gratification that they manufacturer it themselves, from scratch. Walk a mile or a year in their shoes and then see if views change, not before.
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Hi,

Of course what they made is huge. But even in their shoes, I wouldn't say something like " We have the limited first run of production parts and are planning to get them out to some of you very soon. " in the february 15 update and then let people wait few months more.
And that 's just an exemple in the many hopes they raised during that 1year+ waiting.

So yeah, what they do is difficult but if it works, they are going to be millionnaires.
But why are they obliged to not tell us the whole truth ?
 
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Gregori said:
But why are they obliged to not tell us the whole truth ?
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That's the mystery, why feel obligated to present things differently than they are... in that vague way that feels familiar now. Like when, after the update on the 15th, Dirt asked Trevor "will you guys be ready to start assembly as soon as the shipment is in?" and he responded "We will be ready to assemble as soon as we have all the parts." ?? It's kinda the most positive version of the answer w/o actually being an answer - at the time, I read it as "the shipment on the 22nd is not ALL the parts" which they did confirm later in another personal email, but no transparency points for the Grasshopper Team. It's an interesting style.
 
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