Scott A
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The only problem is 10-12 minutes of use time is complete crap.
The Grasshopper
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Some here, I believe, would find that 10-12 minutes consisting of numerous inhalations throughout a single day to be adequate in this form factor. If not adequate pop in the extra battery (get several, they're cheap enough).
lwien
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Brass?
Vapodudule
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Brass had been replaced by stainless steel? Like early in the process of conception?
lwien
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Man, I hope so.
RUDE BOY
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If that 10 -12 minutes is broken up in 8-10 second hits that's not to bad imo. since it's only using power when your hitting it 11 minutes is a bunch of hits.
Edit; (my thinking is from using the vg volta where Dan says the battery life is 8 minutes each charge, which gives me around 40 hits per battery throughout the day)
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OF
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Agreed, but when it comes down to battery life average power is the general measure anyway. But yes, that power (whatever it is) has to come from Mister Battery. On average. It's not a perfect measure, of course, losses are higher at higher currents, but good enough for 'back of the envelope calculations. Average run time at whatever the average power is should equal total available power. Same as MPG varies in your car from moment to moment, but the average of a tank full of normal driving is consistent.
I disagree. In practice at least Elevape is very similar I think. Same size battery, same size load (within reason), same heating technique (it seems) implemented much the same way? IMO it's more like a guy telling you about F16 and the 200 passenger version he's making. You, logically, look at 737 to see if Mach 2 and aircraft carrier landings are reasonable to expect.
IMO not a chance on brass heaters. To work this guy will have to be using way too much power to be heating brass stuff that small and get it hot enough to heat the air. We need 'glowing hot', brass isn't up to that (it oxidizes big time, for instance). For instance Elevape uses Titanium alloy (a propitiatory one, of course).
Not to worry, Bro. Ain't so, it'd never make it though warranty....... They'll no doubt use the same sort of heater metals everyone else does.
Or we can all throw the keys in the water bucket and ride out together.
Yep. Only I bet it's more like half that number of minutes. I don't see 10. Still, plenty for many one hit at a time. Probably not a session vape by most standards, those guys won't be happy. And it's a HUGE way from the original claims.......which seem to have 'never happened'??? A few percent?
But I'm repeating myself. Hopefully, if working units are finally at hand, we'll know much better what to expect shortly? If not it's back to (hopefully educated) guesses.
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Chill Dude
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Call me naive, but don't we all take "1 hit at a time". I'm guessing that your definition of what constitutes a session is different than mine. If the Grasshoper can give me 10 hits per load..and yes " 1 hit at a time" is that not a session? And if I can repeat that four times per charge is that not 4 sessions? I really don't understand how you can take more than "1 hit at a time"...
Like I said before, if I could get 3 to 4 "SESSIONS" per charge and get well medicated, then the Hopper will be my new best friend!!
stickstones
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That's what I was gonna say. A 'session vape' is what I refer to as a vape that needs to be used as a session to not waste the whole load (like a Solo). A 'one hitter vape' is what I refer to as any vape you can take one hit and walk away from without significant loss of actives in the load (like the mflb or FV).
By those terms the GH would be a one hitter vape.
Chill Dude
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Yes, but I guess I don't differentiate between the two vapes in that regard. If I take 10 hits on either vape, cash the bowl and get fully medicated, I call that a session for each vape. A session to me simply means taking a series of hits within a certain time frame. I can do that with all my vapes.
stickstones
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Of course you can, but some force you to. If you want the freedom of not being forced into a session you need a vape that mimics the one-hitter experience, which this one should do.
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Very True, but in reverse try using your solo throughout the day just taking one hit every 20 minutes or so. You only get 7-8 hits per charge that way.
OF
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I hope you understand many of us don't share your definition? Such is life, of course. Bottom line is I think this vape will disappoint many who got interested based on early claims.
You know, you might drive a dune buggy to work every day. And be quite happy doing so. Most, however, would not consider it a 'commute car'?
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Chill Dude
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Okay, that makes sense being that the Solo will continue to cook your load while unattended while the Hopper you can take a hit or two and walk away without continuing to cook your load. that's an added plus for the Grasshopper! So if I understand correctly, you could use the Hopper as a one hitter quitter or a session vape, but vapes such as the Solo are purely session vapes. I think..
OF
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I think you're right. At least most owners see it that way. Just what they wanted when they went looking for a session vape.....not something that needed opening, stirring, and initiating another heating cycle and then timing the hit to the machine. We want to sit and sip (or honk) on it when the urge strikes, not have the vape being the center of attention. And sometimes pass it to the next guy. I'd generally rather supervise the garden, others keep they eye on the big game.
Not that I don't also enjoy VM, MFLB and so on, I just use them in a different way.
Pointing out Solo "purely a session vape" is akin to telling me my Toyota is sure to get mired down in deep sand when I am planning highway drives to work. IMO buying GH as a session vape is worth reconsidering. Frankly, always was I think.......
My original point was to say I thought there were serious problems that would limit or end the usefulness of GH for some, and why. I think at least some of the response here proves I was right in some cases? I never intended to say it was completely useless (and hope I haven't given that impression), it may well come to market and find users happy to own it. I just felt that it would not live up to at least some of the initial claims (and therefore disappoint guys counting on those features). I guess I still do. I don't think it's magic, it's not defying the rules of physics that seem to constrain other vapes.......reality is, I think, closing in as it comes down to the rubber hitting the proverbial road.
If the sort of performance the ESV is delivering interests you, stay tuned. If, OTOH you're interested in how real owners there view having to open, inspect, stir, recap and restart before every hit (and time that hit to within a few seconds of the vapes timing) impacts their session enjoyment you can see it there. Or rather read about it. Not very popular IMO, some owners are not at all happy about it, and likely what awaits here.
OF
That is for the end user to decide.
I did not know it was switched to a stainless heater.
I was mistaken about the heater. Even still wire heaters and ceramic heaters act differently, we have tested stainless heaters but the power it's required to reach to temps to heat air as fast as its coming in is pretty big. You are right about it needing to reach high temps just to stay convection but the bowl redesign at the last minut makes me wonder if this is now a conduction/convection.
stickstones
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Now we're on the same page! The lines are a little fuzzy, or course, but they are good guidelines. For instance, some would argue the Solo can be a one-hitter by pulling out the stem between hits. While this is technically correct, most users aren't going to be troubled with handling a hot piece of glass during their 'session'. I like to categorize vapes by their use as intended by the maker.
So many variables... Size of the load, waste heat to the device, condition of ABV... Etc. couldn't "battery life" be measured by the weight of a specific herb at a given humidity vaporized to a given temperature with a full charge?
Size of the load will affect the battery yes but the main issue is heat up time and the power it requires to maintain that heat.
Even stainless can't reach above 700F as the chromium in there will start reacting. I could be wrong but then again you engineers can read the msds sheets better then me.
I hunk that might be degrees C. Chromium poisoning is usually associated with welding. If you can run lower temperatures, say just above the vaporization temperature you can have a faster heat up time provided your element has sufficient mass and surface area to supply enough energy to the flow stream... So yes, material and geometry will play a big part in determining response time.
Scott A
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And some here will kill that whole battery in one session like I easily see my self being able to do.
stickstones
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I like this. We need to come up with our own joule! Then we get the following battery chart:
Air -- 4 stones
Solo -- 7 stones
MV -- 23 stones
etc...where one stone is the amount of energy required to fuck up one stickstones on a 0.1g load of bubba kush! I'm gonna start answering like this whenever anyone asks about battery life!
Sorry I mean aluminum and even that having a melting point of 700C. Once again not knowing what type is stainless they are using.
The only issue we see with spiral heaters we tested out is the heat required to get incoming air to vape temperature is quite big. Surface temperatures needed to be about 1400F.
But then again we just don't know how the heater design affects power consumption.
If one anticipates feeling shorted by a one session battery kill, this is definitely not the vape for them. I anticipate that the GH will easily last me a full day or more on a single battery since my vapor needs are minimal to get me where I want to be. My Solo battery has lasted me for weeks upon weeks without a recharge. I'm strictly a 1 or 2 draw-limit vaporist, at most two to three times in a given day. Perspective here is key to having realistic expectations. The GP will certainly not meet everyone's needs for all occasions. It was never meant to, IME.
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