The Grasshopper

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Scott A

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Personally I consider the money long gone and just hope eventually I get a product that at least vaporizes. Its nice to see more parts but also disappointing to hear about even more delays. Looks like they will be missing yet another date.

That is very odd looking how the superclip(I really like this name for it) is a different color than the rest of the back end. It would look better with a brushed type look instead of being so shiny but Im assuming grass hopper will do something about this.
 
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HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
And so on...........and so on...........and...........

I'm really curious about something. For those that have invested in this, how long are you willing to wait? Another week, another month, another 6 months, another year? Where's your cutoff date before you say............."Fuck it, I'm outta here.....", or...........is it totally open ended?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here. Just tying to understand the mentality of all this.

I might be moving to Colorado come spring time, who wants to stand outside the building with picket signs with me if its not out in a couple months? :lol:
 

namasteIII

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I must be missing something. They have spent this whole time on the just the back end! And you all expect that magically the front end and body will just work? It to months for them to finally approve every little piece of this clip I see no reason why it won't be the same for the body and the front end. If they get them by the end of the year, how many months of testing will it take before they are satisfied. And even after that they will have to reproduce thousands. I think there's a long while to go before this is anywhere close to being out. Trust me I hope I'm wrong and I hope this product is amazing but I just don't see that happening any time soon.

Rant over.
 

bubbha ho-tep

SlowTokeMcgoats
I must be missing something. They have spent this whole time on the just the back end! And you all expect that magically the front end and body will just work? It to months for them to finally approve every little piece of this clip I see no reason why it won't be the same for the body and the front end. If they get them by the end of the year, how many months of testing will it take before they are satisfied. And even after that they will have to reproduce thousands. I think there's a long while to go before this is anywhere close to being out. Trust me I hope I'm wrong and I hope this product is amazing but I just don't see that happening any time soon.

Rant over.


:myday:Patience young grasshopper.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Given that the back end houses the board, its what operates the whole hopper, so makes sense that it'd be the first thing and that it has to be so exact. I'm very glad theyre using such precision in such an important part of the unit... I'm presuming the other parts are simpler to assemble and function, even the heater and path. I think that is why they remain confident and have devoted more attention to the complex back end design

And again, I wasn't a backer (wish I was, but missed it, so maybe I'm a hypothetical backer?) and I hope to get one as soon as I possibly can. I'm actually headed to Denver this weekend, maybe I can pay em a visit...?
 

Scott A

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Given that the back end houses the board, its what operates the whole hopper, so makes sense that it'd be the first thing and that it has to be so exact. I'm very glad theyre using such precision in such an important part of the unit... I'm presuming the other parts are simpler to assemble and function, even the heater and path. I think that is why they remain confident and have devoted more attention to the complex back end design

And again, I wasn't a backer (wish I was, but missed it, so maybe I'm a hypothetical backer?) and I hope to get one as soon as I possibly can. I'm actually headed to Denver this weekend, maybe I can pay em a visit...?
I dont think it really has as much to do with precision at all just they have had a lot of major fuck ups like somehow not being able to get a pen clip made and a PCB that wasnt correct.
 
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Shrike

Flower Potted, Maxed, & Rio'd.
...even NASA managed to fuck up the mirror on the Hubble, initially. Luckily, they were able to jury rig a fix for it or we wouldn't have had all those fantastic pictures all these years.

Fuck up's...like Shit...happen...:nod::tup:
 

Fenton Mewley

A man in search of cloudier pastures
I'd say getting back the PCB's with the components installed improperly is a major fuck up, but I don't blame the GH team for that...

I think it's a minor fuck up, they were able to fix the problem after all. If say they couldn't get it work with modifications, now that would be a major fuck up.
 

zymos

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They are having to get all the PCBs remade. It's being "fast tracked", whatever that means. That could cause a pretty substantial delay.
 
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Scott A

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It has everything to do with precision. Considering this is the only moving part in the product it has to be 100% correct. It has to withstand thousands of cycles. Enlighten me on the "major fuck ups".
Im saying the delays arnt about precision at all. Its not like it is very hard to get precision machined parts. I would say deforming pen clips in the tempering procedure, messed up PCBs, etc. count as major fuck ups at least as far as with their schedule.

They are not all grass hoppers fault but they are the reasons as it seems from the updates for so many delays.
 

fft

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They are having to get all the PCBs remade. It's being "fast tracked", whatever that means. That could cause a pretty substantial delay.

Just speculating, but I used to work in the PCB industry and its common practice to send a customer few "panels" each with a few dozen individual hopper boards on them so they could be tested before assembling the full order (we called these "redline parts" or something like that). There is the raw board itself and there is the assembled board with all of the components placed/soldered on....usually these are two different shops. Raw board defects usually mean a longer delay than assembly defects, which can be tested and fixed before they are shipped.

In this case, it sounds like the raw boards are done and the only issue was that the assembly shop was placing components incorrectly. Sounds like a machine setup issue that requires some extra attention when they do the final run. So the fact that the redline parts had an assembly defect shouldn't delay the delivery of final parts all that much since nothing needs to be redesigned. Maybe they had hoped to ship out a small number of units using the redline PCBs, but if they did they probably wouldnt be able to ship more than 50 using those parts.

What we dont know is whether all of the raw boards have already been produced and are awaiting assembly or whether the redline run was meant to test the raw PCB too. If the PCBs are already made and at assembly then a rush order of new redline parts could be completed in a day or two (then they need to be shipped). If more PCBs need to be run that's going to add at least a few weeks for a rush and longer for regular production.

So the good news... and this is good news... is that the back-end circuitry seems to work as expected and the manufacturing issues only affect timing and not viability of design.

Speculating a little more, it sounds like a few very early backers might get a Grasshopper soon using redline parts but for most of us its still going to be at least a few months more until they ship in any sort of volume. Which jibes with Trevor's email a few pages back saying that the "Ti parts will ship in bulk about the same time as the Standards". Meaning production ramp up for most of the Grasshoppers has not started and probably wont start until after they ship the "earlybird" redline units.
 

Adobewan

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Over the horizon u can see the edges of the Earth
So remind me when this vaporizer was proposed on indiegogo and when it ended with the given arrival date again? It's already passed a whole year and we see nothing but the backend clickable feature and few boxes, setups, location changes and alleged reasons for delayed production. Where are the casings for the battery? I'd like to hear some info about the Titanium hoppers. Where are these other things in the update like anodized colorings and the perfect shading and what you'll decide to coat them with to prevent yadadada? I know if we wait longer we're gonna have an update like that. I'm just wondering if we are gonna wait 2+ more years on this. It's frustrating that most of the words I read from these updates repeat the same stuff. Just cut the crap and show us the flower and oil frontend functioning and the vapor productions for them both.
 

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
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Just some idle thoughts ..... 30 watts (per the video) ... 4 hours of runtime (per first post)... so, extrapolating from my experiments, that means the battery has a capacity of around 6,120 mAh. exciting technology!
 

nigel

And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
Just some idle thoughts ..... 30 watts (per the video) ... 4 hours of runtime (per first post)... so, extrapolating from my experiments, that means the battery has a capacity of around 6,120 mAh. exciting technology!

I have a 9,900 mAh battery pack, so nothing shocking there.


Of course, mine is larger than a deck of playing cards. And *obviously* you missed their previous Indiegogo/Kickstarter/etc for the Shink-o-ray™...
:p
 

HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
Just some idle thoughts ..... 30 watts (per the video) ... 4 hours of runtime (per first post)... so, extrapolating from my experiments, that means the battery has a capacity of around 6,120 mAh. exciting technology!

Don't forget that 4 hour estimate is if your running the thing at lowest power most likely, kinda like having 25 hours of battery life on a mp3 player if playing at low volume and with low quality sound files/head phones.
 

marduk

daydreamer
I'm sure the Grasshopper crew is using the same tactics used by Amazon with the Kindle e-Reader, where a claim of 8-week battery life is actually only 28 hours of battery life when used continuously. Amazon puts in the fine print that their estimate is based on half an hour of reading per day. Hardly anyone takes them to task for the way they do their estimates, so they continue to do it because battery life measured in weeks and months is obviously so much more impressive than battery life measured in hours.

So I'm not going to get bent out of shape by the Grasshopper battery life claims. I know they're just hyping the battery life based on a certain set of usage parameters that they have determined.

:2c:
 

Krazzykid

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Just some idle thoughts ..... 30 watts (per the video) ... 4 hours of runtime (per first post)... so, extrapolating from my experiments, that means the battery has a capacity of around 6,120 mAh. exciting technology!

4 hours at the minimum heat setting, not the max.
Depending on what the power consumption is on the minimum heat setting, then the 4 hours of runtime becomes a realistic estimate.

Even if it ends up being only 20 or so minutes runtime on the high setting (just throwing out a number/it's not based on anything), that would still be plenty of usage. Remember that it is only supposed to take seconds to come up to temp.

Since you can easily turn the unit off between hits I don't see battery life being an issue (assuming their figures are even somewhat accurate). Don't forget how easily we will be able to swap batteries, or simply plug it in and continue vaping.

PS
I'm still in the skeptic category when it comes to a few of the claims the GH is making, but I've got hope that they've found a way to pull it off.
 
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blankexpression

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So remind me when this vaporizer was proposed on indiegogo and when it ended with the given arrival date again? It's already passed a whole year and we see nothing but the backend clickable feature and few boxes, setups, location changes and alleged reasons for delayed production. Where are the casings for the battery? I'd like to hear some info about the Titanium hoppers. Where are these other things in the update like anodized colorings and the perfect shading and what you'll decide to coat them with to prevent yadadada? I know if we wait longer we're gonna have an update like that. I'm just wondering if we are gonna wait 2+ more years on this. It's frustrating that most of the words I read from these updates repeat the same stuff. Just cut the crap and show us the flower and oil frontend functioning and the vapor productions for them both.
Like I said in an earlier post. If you have questions then send Trevor a message. Like i showed earlier in the thread; he's happy to answer queries!
 
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