The Flower Kettle by Custom Flower Hardware
- Thread starter Custom Flower Hardware
- Start date
Milka
Member
My honest review of the Flower Kettle + the Electropath. TL;DR at the bottom.
I've been using it extensively for over a month now, and I think I'm ready to share my experience.
I will start by saying that I've been using cannabis for over 20 years now and switched to vaporization last November. I used to smoke ~3g a day (only joints), so I knew I needed something strong to replace that habit. My first choice was Venty, and I was super happy with it, but even after hooking It up through the adapter to my globe bong, the clouds were not heavy enough, not big enough. At least not for me.
So, I started looking around for something stronger. I quickly learned that ball vapes are the way to go, and thanks to Lee's review, I discovered Custom Flower Hardware. I'm not gonna lie, the price seemed steep, but my life philosophy is that I'd much rather buy something solid once rather than cheap a few times. I've educated myself on what makes a good ball vape, and the Flower Kettle + the Electropath seemed like a perfect choice.
And ooh boy, that was THE BEST choice ever. Why? Because it physically can not get any better. The density of clouds, vapor smoothness, and the level of vaporization are 10/10. You can not get any better than that, I swear to God. You can maybe match it, sure, but surpass it? Not possible.
If you have insane high tolerance, like I do, this combo will make you sit down and feel like a teenager again. Even strains that seemed weak when I vaped them with my Venty are hitting hard in Flower Kettle + Electropath combo.
You can also microdose and the level of vaporization is insane. Jerry's videos he posts here don't show it very well. Making your ABV as light or dark as possible with one button on your PID is super easy.
I have the full Master Kit with dual PID, and I must say that I love that PID as well. It's small, has XLR outputs in the front, just as I like, and honestly looks way better in real life than the current website's photo.
But what sold me the most was the owner - Jerry. This man truly, and I mean truly, cares about his customers. He will spend his time and money to make your shopping experience the best possible. Example? My Electropath's coil, which is a 3rd party item not made by Jerry, started to be wobbly in the handle. I was simply unlucky with this particular coil. One email with a few words, and Jerry was on top of it. The same day, he sent me a new one, free of charge, WITH a new handle (the previous handle was fine), covering all the shipping costs from the US to Poland, and he was even monitoring the package to make sure it was delivered. What else would you want from a seller? He happily answered every question I had in the last 30 days and even made a little personalized video with instructions.
That is a top-notch experience both in terms of product and customer experience, and I really wish it was an industry standard. Suddenly, the price became not so steep in my eyes because I felt I was actually getting more than I bargained for.
TL;DR: The Flower Kettle + the Electropath is the endgame setup. There is nothing, and there will be nothing that can beat it in the dry herb vaporization world, you can only match its insane performance. The clouds are enormous and extremely dense, and you can literally vape out completely 0.1-0.3 g or more in one big hit if your lungs can handle it. No stirring is ever required.
I've been using it extensively for over a month now, and I think I'm ready to share my experience.
I will start by saying that I've been using cannabis for over 20 years now and switched to vaporization last November. I used to smoke ~3g a day (only joints), so I knew I needed something strong to replace that habit. My first choice was Venty, and I was super happy with it, but even after hooking It up through the adapter to my globe bong, the clouds were not heavy enough, not big enough. At least not for me.
So, I started looking around for something stronger. I quickly learned that ball vapes are the way to go, and thanks to Lee's review, I discovered Custom Flower Hardware. I'm not gonna lie, the price seemed steep, but my life philosophy is that I'd much rather buy something solid once rather than cheap a few times. I've educated myself on what makes a good ball vape, and the Flower Kettle + the Electropath seemed like a perfect choice.
And ooh boy, that was THE BEST choice ever. Why? Because it physically can not get any better. The density of clouds, vapor smoothness, and the level of vaporization are 10/10. You can not get any better than that, I swear to God. You can maybe match it, sure, but surpass it? Not possible.
If you have insane high tolerance, like I do, this combo will make you sit down and feel like a teenager again. Even strains that seemed weak when I vaped them with my Venty are hitting hard in Flower Kettle + Electropath combo.
You can also microdose and the level of vaporization is insane. Jerry's videos he posts here don't show it very well. Making your ABV as light or dark as possible with one button on your PID is super easy.
I have the full Master Kit with dual PID, and I must say that I love that PID as well. It's small, has XLR outputs in the front, just as I like, and honestly looks way better in real life than the current website's photo.
But what sold me the most was the owner - Jerry. This man truly, and I mean truly, cares about his customers. He will spend his time and money to make your shopping experience the best possible. Example? My Electropath's coil, which is a 3rd party item not made by Jerry, started to be wobbly in the handle. I was simply unlucky with this particular coil. One email with a few words, and Jerry was on top of it. The same day, he sent me a new one, free of charge, WITH a new handle (the previous handle was fine), covering all the shipping costs from the US to Poland, and he was even monitoring the package to make sure it was delivered. What else would you want from a seller? He happily answered every question I had in the last 30 days and even made a little personalized video with instructions.
That is a top-notch experience both in terms of product and customer experience, and I really wish it was an industry standard. Suddenly, the price became not so steep in my eyes because I felt I was actually getting more than I bargained for.
TL;DR: The Flower Kettle + the Electropath is the endgame setup. There is nothing, and there will be nothing that can beat it in the dry herb vaporization world, you can only match its insane performance. The clouds are enormous and extremely dense, and you can literally vape out completely 0.1-0.3 g or more in one big hit if your lungs can handle it. No stirring is ever required.
Last edited:
AndyO
Well-Known Member
Hey, I'm looking at concentrate options, and as you know I've also been looking at the electropath.
Does the Flower Kettle act as a "native-type" enail with the "dish" in the top for your dab and terp pearls? I suspect so, cos you're also selling a carb cap?
If so I might be going for the really insane option for concentrates!
Does the Flower Kettle act as a "native-type" enail with the "dish" in the top for your dab and terp pearls? I suspect so, cos you're also selling a carb cap?
If so I might be going for the really insane option for concentrates!
Yes it's like dabbing on ceramic, then glass. The top dish acts as a melter so to speak. The Terp pearl will spin with the cap on as well as the pillar depending on your draw. This causes a spinning vortex effect, top down. The concentrate vapes on the way through the head (zirc/sic balls, glass pillar, SS out) you'll get 3 good draws from a regular size dab. Here's a vid from last August that shows it...
AndyO
Well-Known Member
Yes it's like dabbing on ceramic, then glass. The top dish acts as a melter so to speak. The Terp pearl will spin with the cap on as well as the pillar depending on your draw. This causes a spinning vortex effect, top down. The concentrate vapes on the way through the head (zirc/sic balls, glass pillar, SS out) you'll get 3 good draws from a regular size dab. Here's a vid from last August that shows it...
Thanks so much mate, that video is exactly what I needed!
For someone who has become addicted to how hypnotic the tornado action is in my Ruby Twist, just watching/hearing your video teaches me that the noise of the spinning terp pearls will be equally hypnotic.
I haven't tried filling my concentrates scripts yet, once I confirm that I'm not going to have any issue with supply I'm pretty sure I'll be in touch. Given my existing love for ball vapes, along with the fact that most battery powered vapes disappoint me, I'm so much more confident in this than I am in an e-rig.
One more question - if it's vaping going through the balls, you'd need to clean the balls pretty regularly, right? Do you prefer either of the ball options? (zirc/sic)
I haven't cleaned it in months. The concentrate vapes all the way through. Just a little on the underside of the dish where it needs to be cleaned if that makes sense.
Last edited:
AndyO
Well-Known Member
I thought I'd tell you all a story about my Flower Kettle + Electropath that arrived this week.
I was just going to write a bit of an early thoughts review, but I'm very high right now. Which is a positive reflection. Generally the more I like something, the more I use it, the higher I get, and the more I'll write. Tldr - this thing is incredible. It's not perfect, but it's pretty amazing.
I ordered it just over a week ago. I'd been to the footy, so had been drinking as well as vaping; it was also my birthday week, and my postal tracking gave no indication that my VerdaVap would be here in time for my birthday. (I ended up arriving the next morning!) It was all enough for me to pull the trigger on it.
So the order was made late on a Wednesday night Australian-time, it was posted Wednesday afternoon US-time... it arrived to Australia in under a week, on the Wednesday morning. Incredible! I've had luggage supposedly on the same flight as me from the US that took longer to reach me. (Seriously!)
First impression is the carry case, which is bright orange, with a sticker that says "Custom Flower Hardware", is not built for discreetness at all! Not that I think it particularly matters - I don't think you're going to be carrying around a 2-piece coil-powered vape(s) and PID very often. Certainly I won't be, the case when straight in the back of a cupboard.
The second impression is that this think looks beautiful. And expensive! I think a lot of ball vapes are probably described visually as "just functional" - and that's fine. For example, at the Screwball's price point, I don't want them spending money beautifying it, let me decide if I want a heat shield or a wooden handle.
This isn't in that class though. This is in the "very premium" class. The wooden handles stand out, the hardware is thick and shiny, and it has some really nice-looking premium accessories.
So I started sorting out the coffee table, trying to arrange a Kettle, Electropath, Screwball and Ruby Twist in a manner that's not a mess of PIDs and cords. Thought I'd done an ok job, until I decided something needed moving. I decided that after I'd turned everything on. I have the meanest looking burn on my arm, from before I'd even used it! A perfect semi-circle from the top of the Electropath... There's a tinge of irony there, cos having watched Lee from TTBs videos, my clumsiness is what had been holding me back. This was inevitable, I just didn't expect it to happen before I'd even used the thing...
My first real complaint comes with the safety of the device. That's rightfully a concern for a lot of people with cords, pids and glass everywhere. I absolutely appreciate that Jerry had to order special 220v cords for international orders, and I don't know what US users are receiving - but the Electropath cord would only be about 40cm long, it's just not long enough, and it can become a hazard.
The second safety-related complaint comes down to the heat stands. Do they hold the Flower Kettle and the Electropath? Yes. If you screw around with hot devices for longer than you should have to when you're stoned. In reality? The Electropath is too heavy for the stand that it comes with. I'm glad that I had the Flowerpot heatpost to sub in. It doesn't fit perfectly, but it's a much, much better solution than the stand that it comes with. Two days in, I think this is my major piece of feedback - for a device that does such an incredible job of looking and feeling premium, the heat stands are just larger versions of the most basic stands on the market, and I think they let the device down from that look/feel standpoint, not to mention from a safety one.
Anyway, then I got to use it (with my table top bong), and the thickness and milkiness of the vapor is indescribable. It's like if a pre-soaked Screwball bowl with a macrodose is a 10, this is somehow an 11.5. I have this green stem with my table top bong, and it ends up being a really good indicator of how thick your vapor is - it's yet to meet it's match until coming up against the Kettle!
Pretty early on I did something really dumb, putting a freezing cold Ruby Twist in a 500 degree Electropath, and bugger me this thing grabbed on like a bear claw. Had to cool the whole thing down to get it apart. (I also took the heat shield off the twist, which is a pain in the dick to get back on... in the end I think the cooling had a greater effect.) I haven't tried it with a warm Ruby Twist yet, it kind of scared me off, and it doesn't seem to fit great.
While I'm on it, I also tried it with the Screwball, using the advice from this thread to just not leave the pieces together for too long - unfortunately it stuck. Again, I just had to cool everything down and it was fine. Not that I'm too fussed or concerned I guess - there was no discernible improvement over the Flower Kettle, which mates perfectly with it. I'd been considering a standalone Electropath, which I would've used with my Screwball and B1 injector (which I haven't tried it with yet.) I'm really glad I didn't end up doing that.
By Thursday I'd been experimenting with different temps, and I felt confident to finally pull out this awful tasting hybrid that I've had for a few weeks and not really wanted to vape. This thing will shine in that capacity - I was able to turn the bowl right up, turn the Kettle a fair way up, and by then you're hardly getting any of the taste at all. And it'll shine because of its versatility and variability. Being able to play with the temps of the Kettle and the bowl lets you try all manner of things, and I haven't even scratched the surface.
I'll mention my other criticism here - the screen doesn't stay in the Electropath, nor is it designed to. That's a pretty major annoyance to me, I don't want to have to be digging a hot screen out of my AVB every time I tip it out. I think I'll be experimenting with some larger screens and seeing whether I can find a combination of camber , size and pressure that keeps a screen in, cos that's something that will prevent me using it late at night if I'm super blasted... which is arguably exactly when I want to be using it.
Back on the positives, the other thing I've really been enjoying is concentrates using the head. This was what convinced me to get the whole Master Kit, was a new prescription for concentrates and the Kettle's ability to simply drop it on the top with some terp pearls and the carb cap (which is included, and is also beautiful.) I don't have a lot of experience with concentrates, nor much to compare it to - only the Core 2.1 and the Xmas Riggo that I'd been using the previous week - but this is such a great, easy way to consume concentrates. It extracts more flavor than the Core or Riggo, and I'm more confident that I'm getting the most out of the concentrates using the Kettle.
Weirdly, I used it Wednesday with no issues. I turned it on, it was fine. I played with some temps, I turned it off 8 hours later, all good. Did example the same thing on Thursday. Turned it on, played with some temps, all good. Then when I went to turn it off? One of the PID switches had failed. I have no idea what's wrong with it, but I had to unplug it to turn it off
Of course, I only mention that to feed into the other highlight of the experience, which has been Jerry's service. Dude answered my multitude of questions super quick. The shipping speed was unbelievable. He's answered more questions after it got here. I sent a video of the PID issue and he arranged to have another sent, no questions asked. Honestly some of the best customer service I've ever experienced in any industry, dude seems like a massive legend and someone I'd love to smoke a bowl with.
I really love these devices. Just an entirely different universe of cannabis extraction. I'll use them heaps, and I don't have a hint of buyer's remorse. For concentrates in particular, this is going to be my go-to. But I am harder on devices at this price point; the screen issue will likely piss me off forever (unless/until I find a solution), and the heat stand issue is just such a bummer given how premium everything else looks and feels.
I was just going to write a bit of an early thoughts review, but I'm very high right now. Which is a positive reflection. Generally the more I like something, the more I use it, the higher I get, and the more I'll write. Tldr - this thing is incredible. It's not perfect, but it's pretty amazing.
I ordered it just over a week ago. I'd been to the footy, so had been drinking as well as vaping; it was also my birthday week, and my postal tracking gave no indication that my VerdaVap would be here in time for my birthday. (I ended up arriving the next morning!) It was all enough for me to pull the trigger on it.
So the order was made late on a Wednesday night Australian-time, it was posted Wednesday afternoon US-time... it arrived to Australia in under a week, on the Wednesday morning. Incredible! I've had luggage supposedly on the same flight as me from the US that took longer to reach me. (Seriously!)
First impression is the carry case, which is bright orange, with a sticker that says "Custom Flower Hardware", is not built for discreetness at all! Not that I think it particularly matters - I don't think you're going to be carrying around a 2-piece coil-powered vape(s) and PID very often. Certainly I won't be, the case when straight in the back of a cupboard.
The second impression is that this think looks beautiful. And expensive! I think a lot of ball vapes are probably described visually as "just functional" - and that's fine. For example, at the Screwball's price point, I don't want them spending money beautifying it, let me decide if I want a heat shield or a wooden handle.
This isn't in that class though. This is in the "very premium" class. The wooden handles stand out, the hardware is thick and shiny, and it has some really nice-looking premium accessories.
So I started sorting out the coffee table, trying to arrange a Kettle, Electropath, Screwball and Ruby Twist in a manner that's not a mess of PIDs and cords. Thought I'd done an ok job, until I decided something needed moving. I decided that after I'd turned everything on. I have the meanest looking burn on my arm, from before I'd even used it! A perfect semi-circle from the top of the Electropath... There's a tinge of irony there, cos having watched Lee from TTBs videos, my clumsiness is what had been holding me back. This was inevitable, I just didn't expect it to happen before I'd even used the thing...
My first real complaint comes with the safety of the device. That's rightfully a concern for a lot of people with cords, pids and glass everywhere. I absolutely appreciate that Jerry had to order special 220v cords for international orders, and I don't know what US users are receiving - but the Electropath cord would only be about 40cm long, it's just not long enough, and it can become a hazard.
The second safety-related complaint comes down to the heat stands. Do they hold the Flower Kettle and the Electropath? Yes. If you screw around with hot devices for longer than you should have to when you're stoned. In reality? The Electropath is too heavy for the stand that it comes with. I'm glad that I had the Flowerpot heatpost to sub in. It doesn't fit perfectly, but it's a much, much better solution than the stand that it comes with. Two days in, I think this is my major piece of feedback - for a device that does such an incredible job of looking and feeling premium, the heat stands are just larger versions of the most basic stands on the market, and I think they let the device down from that look/feel standpoint, not to mention from a safety one.
Anyway, then I got to use it (with my table top bong), and the thickness and milkiness of the vapor is indescribable. It's like if a pre-soaked Screwball bowl with a macrodose is a 10, this is somehow an 11.5. I have this green stem with my table top bong, and it ends up being a really good indicator of how thick your vapor is - it's yet to meet it's match until coming up against the Kettle!
Pretty early on I did something really dumb, putting a freezing cold Ruby Twist in a 500 degree Electropath, and bugger me this thing grabbed on like a bear claw. Had to cool the whole thing down to get it apart. (I also took the heat shield off the twist, which is a pain in the dick to get back on... in the end I think the cooling had a greater effect.) I haven't tried it with a warm Ruby Twist yet, it kind of scared me off, and it doesn't seem to fit great.
While I'm on it, I also tried it with the Screwball, using the advice from this thread to just not leave the pieces together for too long - unfortunately it stuck. Again, I just had to cool everything down and it was fine. Not that I'm too fussed or concerned I guess - there was no discernible improvement over the Flower Kettle, which mates perfectly with it. I'd been considering a standalone Electropath, which I would've used with my Screwball and B1 injector (which I haven't tried it with yet.) I'm really glad I didn't end up doing that.
By Thursday I'd been experimenting with different temps, and I felt confident to finally pull out this awful tasting hybrid that I've had for a few weeks and not really wanted to vape. This thing will shine in that capacity - I was able to turn the bowl right up, turn the Kettle a fair way up, and by then you're hardly getting any of the taste at all. And it'll shine because of its versatility and variability. Being able to play with the temps of the Kettle and the bowl lets you try all manner of things, and I haven't even scratched the surface.
I'll mention my other criticism here - the screen doesn't stay in the Electropath, nor is it designed to. That's a pretty major annoyance to me, I don't want to have to be digging a hot screen out of my AVB every time I tip it out. I think I'll be experimenting with some larger screens and seeing whether I can find a combination of camber , size and pressure that keeps a screen in, cos that's something that will prevent me using it late at night if I'm super blasted... which is arguably exactly when I want to be using it.
Back on the positives, the other thing I've really been enjoying is concentrates using the head. This was what convinced me to get the whole Master Kit, was a new prescription for concentrates and the Kettle's ability to simply drop it on the top with some terp pearls and the carb cap (which is included, and is also beautiful.) I don't have a lot of experience with concentrates, nor much to compare it to - only the Core 2.1 and the Xmas Riggo that I'd been using the previous week - but this is such a great, easy way to consume concentrates. It extracts more flavor than the Core or Riggo, and I'm more confident that I'm getting the most out of the concentrates using the Kettle.
Weirdly, I used it Wednesday with no issues. I turned it on, it was fine. I played with some temps, I turned it off 8 hours later, all good. Did example the same thing on Thursday. Turned it on, played with some temps, all good. Then when I went to turn it off? One of the PID switches had failed. I have no idea what's wrong with it, but I had to unplug it to turn it off
Of course, I only mention that to feed into the other highlight of the experience, which has been Jerry's service. Dude answered my multitude of questions super quick. The shipping speed was unbelievable. He's answered more questions after it got here. I sent a video of the PID issue and he arranged to have another sent, no questions asked. Honestly some of the best customer service I've ever experienced in any industry, dude seems like a massive legend and someone I'd love to smoke a bowl with.
I really love these devices. Just an entirely different universe of cannabis extraction. I'll use them heaps, and I don't have a hint of buyer's remorse. For concentrates in particular, this is going to be my go-to. But I am harder on devices at this price point; the screen issue will likely piss me off forever (unless/until I find a solution), and the heat stand issue is just such a bummer given how premium everything else looks and feels.
AndyO
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that man, I didn't expect 1 mil would make that much of a difference.
I already have some 16mm titanium screens in my stashbox (I think) from my Flowerpot shovelhead.
At some point I just bought all the sizes that https://pipescreenz.com/ has in US made stainless steel. Money well spent.
AndyO
Well-Known Member
Just to add to the write up above, I hadn't mentioned the bowls that come with it. Because the injector head on the Kettle is so long, it comes with what I believe are non-standard bowls. I'm having an immense amount of fun playing with the Kettle sans Electropath, cos I now have a ridiculous oversupply of glass bowls, pass through bowls and titanium bowls that I've bought individually or received with various ball vapes.
I mentioned that I hadn't yet scratched the surface of the variables and possiblities of these devices - I'm not sure I'll ever have the time or the weed availability to fully exhaust everything that's possible.
I mentioned that I hadn't yet scratched the surface of the variables and possiblities of these devices - I'm not sure I'll ever have the time or the weed availability to fully exhaust everything that's possible.