Discontinued The Extreme Vaporizer Thread Part II

[PeteYpuFF]

Yeah if you leave it in there it dose break down. If I am hitting a bowl and it seems to have died out I will leave it on there for a few minutes and hit it again and Ill get another hit. I think this makes the Extreme more efficient because it seems to break the plant matter down when its bin in there for awhile releasing more vapor.

 

[NSXTACY]

Thats what i thought, when it loses it's vapor it will look dry and duff. So is there anything i should be careful of to not harm the extreme? I know dropping it is bad. Oh and how thick is the cyclone bowl's wall? Pretty hard to break? Im notorious for breaking cones... Also can you vape hash in this or a keef cake, or has anyone tried yet? I was wondering that cause usually it takes a lot higher temp to vape keef or pure hash. There was one guy that said he used the bottom part of the cyclone bowl to Vape "concentrates" (keef maybe). Has anyone tried that method or does it even work.

Also ive read everything about it on this thread, but is there anything im missing that i need to know about it. Keep the posts COMING! This thread is the only thing keeping me busy while i wait for my extreme. Thanks

 

[vaporcloud]

I often leave fresh product in the whip and allow it to toast a little. Sometimes it can be left for hours with the vape on and when i hit it its just like a new bowl but with a very fat first draw. I love to do it this way! No loss of flavour or goodness. Buy my box vap doesn't have the bowl sitting vertically like the extreme.

 

[NSXTACY]

I often leave fresh product in the whip and allow it to toast a little. Sometimes it can be left for hours with the vape on and when i hit it its just like a new bowl but with a very fat first draw. I love to do it this way! No loss of flavour or goodness. Buy my box vap doesn't have the bowl sitting vertically like the extreme.

You getting a extreme?

 

[vaporcloud]

No ... I'm not a collector of vapes like others on here. I have a digi box vap and a vapor genie which serve my home and travel purposes well. The extreme certainly looks the goods and many happy owners ... but if I had a choice (sorry broken record here) I'd be getting a Da Buddha or Purple-Days. No rephrase that - one day I will own both.

 

[NSXTACY]

No ... I'm not a collector of vapes like others on here. I have a digi box vap and a vapor genie which serve my home and travel purposes well. The extreme certainly looks the goods and many happy owners ... but if I had a choice (sorry broken record here) I'd be getting a Da Buddha or Purple-Days. No rephrase that - one day I will own both.

Why don't you want the extreme, looks and sounds way better than either of those vapes? Besides portability wise. Which i am a usual at home smoker. Thats why i love vapes.

 

[Cannabudz]

Spot on VC i'm just glad i found the Extreme without too much cost and bullshit,lol.still very much impressed with the people and the product. i maintain iv'e benifited in ways not promised or thought of intially myself. My Precious goes too bed with me heating Ylang Ylang oil and and greets me in the mourning with coffee for my first "boil" of the day. i just ordered some wild lettuce oil and am keen to boil with that, something i wouldn't have even tried if not for the Extreme. Now i'm sweatin on the mail for a Vaporgenie, guess you could say im sold on vapor( especially on demand,) i don't mind a 10 to 15 min warm up time for the bowl and herb in the "E" , and is top shit, i c 5% as a for putting of the 4 legged pests should the ever turn up

 

[Cannabudz]

When i made the decision to toss Tabacco/Smoking after so long, i didn't take away enjoyment of my favorite herb, rather it enhanced it and lessened my needs. Though i have no need for bitching, Ignorance really sucks

 

[vtac]

Why don't you want the extreme, looks and sounds way better than either of those vapes? Besides portability wise. Which i am a usual at home smoker. Thats why i love vapes.

Different strokes.

 

[NSXTACY]

i feel you.

 

[Herbalist]

Who's the seller? We want to know the ones to avoid as well as the ones to buy from.

I had my troubles with WarehouseGoodsOnline on eBay.
Everything arrived ok, but there was no communication, no response to my queries about accessories etc, it was marked as a 'vape' not aromatherapy device or oil diffuser which I thought would be wiser to label it as (for international travel)...

Anyway, that's just my experiences with that reseller...

 

[RiverVapor]

Hi
Hi everyone,
I got the battery pack the other day and its great. Takes a while to charge but the portability of a battery is priceless. Im a early stage vaporist but am the "converted". Its definitively the best way to consume our herbs.

Must admit the battery pack is great!!!!!!!!

 

[NSXTACY]

Who's the seller? We want to know the ones to avoid as well as the ones to buy from.

I had my troubles with WarehouseGoodsOnline on eBay.
Everything arrived ok, but there was no communication, no response to my queries about accessories etc, it was marked as a 'vape' not aromatherapy device or oil diffuser which I thought would be wiser to label it as (for international travel)...

Anyway, that's just my experiences with that reseller...

They responded to everyone of my emails, and since i get a free 40 dollar case, theres no complaints here.

I don't see why I would need a battery pack because everywhere i am there is either a cigarette lighter or a outlet. I don't see the extreme as being the most mobile unit, but the battery pack is cool.

 

[deep]

Hello everyone! I recently ordered an extreme thanks in large part to reading this and the previous thread. I haven't gotten the extreme yet but it looks like overall to be on par with all the top of the line vaporizers out there. The only vape I saw that looked even more efficient and possibly healthier was the aromed 4.0 but it was more expensive and seemed less versatile and bulkier. The only vape I have used before in a Vapir one 4.0 and I have good experiences with that through my many uses with it. I just didn't think it was as efficient as possibly and seemed kind of cheap and like you might be getting a little too much combustion product. So I decided the extreme looked to be one of the healthiest and versatile vapes. I loved the battery pack and although the remote control wasn't necessary for me I am sure I will find ways to use it effectively.

I am sorry as I have not read the whole thread or the whole forum but I have a couple of quesitons for you experienced extremers on how to get the most out of the extreme.

I have some asthma and I notice that the vapir vape would often make me cough (at least the first disk, thc is just a good of a brochodialater as albuterol so it calms down my asthma after a while). But inhaling 380 degress air isnt really desirable so I was hoping you guys had some advice on water filtration.
The bong method looks pretty cool.
Do you need any special adapters? Can you use the balloons? the whip? both?

If you just leave the balloon sitting for a couple minutes will it cool down some? Will you lose too much vapor?(I haven't used balloons before, only whip with the vapir)

I was thinking about investing in a grinder. Does it really increase efficiency that much? I am looking at some on ebay but don't want anything to cheap. (I don't want any aluminum in my lungs)

Also with a kief catcher is it easy to vape with kief. Is the screen with the extreme to wide and will the kief just fall through?

Also do any of you guys add any other herbs with the "desired" herb to enhance the flavor. Maybe I should start a new thread but this possibility intruiges me, a mint/herb ice bong cooled hit just sounds so good I can't wait.

Thanks again. I hope I can become a productive member of the community. I am studying biochemistry and am interested in the science behind vaping so hopefully we can get some good discussion going.

For starters if anyone wants to look at this its pretty interesting
http://www.omma1998.org/McPartland-Russo-JCANT 1(3-4)-2001.pdf

Thanks and go deep fellow vapers

 

[NSXTACY]

I just got my extreme and so far very impressed and i haven't even vaped my favorite herb yet with it. It is Smaller than i thought it would be, but that is a good thing. Glass pieces are very strong, dropped them a bunch already and they all survived pretty harsh drops. I Vaped some spearmint and some sleepy time tea herbs and i must say i didn't taste anything else but the herbs. I fell in love with the bags, which i thought i wouldn;t care for. They assemble easy too, and cool part is you can use w/e bag u want bigger or smaller. Remote is great, i thought again i wouldn't need it but it is is getting used a lot. It warms up extremely fast, i don't know why everyone is letting it warm up for 20 min, when it warms up in like 2 mins. Cyclone bowl is really neat, now i know why they call it the cyclone. The mouth piece on the whip took forever to get off, the guy made it look easy on the vid but when u take it off just be sure to put it on only barely so removing it is a snap. I got the case i was talking about as well, problem is i will have to pack everything up in its original packaging to keep it safe during transporting which kinda suks, but i highly doubt ill be taking this everywhere. But i definitely think they have set the bar for vaporizers and everything after will have to be as good or better to sell. I think 300 dollars is also a steal for the quality and parts they used in this and all the other vaporizers put to shame, they definitely have my vote for a superb business and product, nothing but thumbs up here and i haven't even gotten to use it for it's primary purpose....

I just checked out that aromed 4.0, looks really scientific and medical. Even if that was the same price i'd still get the extreme. The only benefits from the aromed compared to the extreme is it has a built in water filter, a halogen heater and it is almost 100% efficient since it only is heated when you inhale. But i can hook up my bong to the extreme and get the same water filtration and the extreme has a all ceramic heater so it must be just as good as the halogen heater the aromed uses(but i don't know which is safer...). So really it only has one benefit over the extreme which is the efficiency. I think the extreme is more for the recreational user(with its nice looks, convenience, portability, and number of uses) but still seems safe enough for medical use if all of arizer's claims of totally toxin free parts are true which i believe are thanks to their rep.

Also, deep you said something about aluminum grinders being bad for you... Is this true? I have been using aluminum grinders forever but i have cleaned them with rubbing alcohol before i use them out of the package. I didn't think the aluminum toxins could come off unless it was heated? So is this true about aluminum grinders? If so i will order i wooden or SS one asap.

I will update once my fav herb is vaped. cant wait

 

[deep]

I was just reading another thread where someone was saying that there cheap alum grinder was giving them flakes. I think if you have a semi high quality one you shouldn't have to worry.

 

[PeteYpuFF]

I was just reading another thread where someone was saying that there cheap alum grinder was giving them flakes. I think if you have a semi high quality one you shouldn't have to worry.

If you get a nice grinder you will not have to worry about that. Even if you have a really high end grinder you may see bits of aluminum coming from the threads over time. I would not worry if a small piece of aluminum ends up in your bowl. The stuff you have to worry about is the grinders that are not aluminum and have a fake chrome coding that flakes off. If you are getting an Extreme you will wont to get a Grinder. If you cant shell out a lot of money for a grinder, I would recommend you get one from SSV. I hear they are great for the money..

Oh yeah just out of curiosity where did you order your Extreme from?

 

[NSXTACY]

I have 3 aluminum grinders and i only use my highest quality one(pure cnc). Before i used any of them i cleaned them with rubbing alcohol and checked for any flaking or pieces of aluminum that weren't cut out in the factory. I think the only aluminum grinder you should stay away from is the cast ones, the cnced ones are usually of high quality and are made with much precision and don't flake. And my threads are kinda protected because i don't clean them and they are full of resin and kief so they act as coating, lol. i might get a wooden one with ss teeth soon but i hate the fact they don't have a kief catch, though i probably don't need one.. just throw the kief in with the grinded material. We should make a thread for the best grinders.

But i ordered mine off an ebay seller called warehousegoodsonline. 299 shipped and they had a deal that week for a free aluminum case for transporting the extreme worth like 40 bucks. They also sent another 4 piece cnc aluminum grinder free with the purchase, which is good quality. It shipped extremely fast, actually too fast because i was still out of town when it was delivered and i was very worried about it since they didn't ask for signature, but of course it was fine. Someone said they had problems communicating with them but that was not the case for me, they were very fast responding. Well i hope you get yours soon deep and by the way where did you order yours from?

 

[max]

deep wrote:

The only vape I saw that looked even more efficient and possibly healthier was the aromed 4.0

You didn't look hard enough. And healthier, for good quality vaporizers, isn't nearly as much due to design as it is in how you use it.

although the remote control wasn't necessary for me I am sure I will find ways to use it effectively.

I think other Extreme owners will tell you that you'll use the remote a lot. Makes things a lot easier.

But inhaling 380 degress air isnt really desirable so I was hoping you guys had some advice on water filtration.

Your vapor isn't nearly that hot. The air 4"-5" above water heated to about 350 F is only about 150 F. Vapor cools rapidly. When you factor in the cooling that takes place when vapor moves through tubing and/or into a bag, heat just isn't an issue. The distance between bowl and mouth for vapes like Purple-Days (which I use all the time), VaporGenie, and some others, is only a few inches. The heat involved isn't much even at these short distances. THC itself irritates the throat and vapor can make a person cough. It varies with the individual, and some vapes dry the throat while others hit you in the lungs. Cooling vapor with water may well be more pleasant for you, but it's not essential and won't necessarily be easier on your throat. The most unpleasant hits I've experienced (as far as drying my throat out) was from using a water filtered vape. The large volume of air I got with hits was much more of a factor than water filtration. I know someone else that loved that vape for its hits, so people are different in their preferences.

If you just leave the balloon sitting for a couple minutes will it cool down some?

By the time a bag is filled and ready to hit, temp is absolutely not a factor.

I was thinking about investing in a grinder. Does it really increase efficiency that much? I am looking at some on ebay but don't want anything to cheap. (I don't want any aluminum in my lungs)

Grinding is helpful for most vapes, with some exceptions-herbalAire, Vapolution are two. There are other methods, like scissors and fingers, to reduce herb to the small particles you need for efficiency, but a grinder is easiest. Cost isn't always the determining factor for quality in a grinder. You can get one for $10-15 that'll be as good as one that costs $100. Finding a good low cost grinder is the problem. If you want a good one at a low price, check Kelly's Great Products on eBay- http://stores.ebay.com/Kellys-Great-Products. You don't even need to get one of his 'premium quality CNC' grinders to get a good one. I've been using a 2" w/screen ($12 + shipping) for years with great results. His grinders have no threads in the screen section to trap kief and no place for the kief to hide, which can't be said for some much more expensive grinders.

Also with a kief catcher is it easy to vape with kief. Is the screen with the extreme to wide and will the kief just fall through?

You just put a little on top of the herb in the bowl, like ice cream on top of apple pie.

I just got my extreme and so far very impressed... I think 300 dollars is also a steal for the quality and parts they used in this and all the other vaporizers put to shame,

Glad you like it but that's a strong dual statement. How do you know what kind of quality the parts are? Have you taken it apart? Even if you did, would you know whether the components were RoHS compliant (free of hazardous substances) and otherwise high quality and/or safe? I'm not doubting Steve's build and parts quality, but you can't judge a book by its cover, and you're including a lot of vapes that you know nothing about from personal experience. And I'd have to strongly disagree that the Extreme puts all other vapes to shame. The only aspect in which the Extreme has an advantage over the field of quality vapes is in the variety of ways it can be used. For bag use the herbalAire is just as good, and of course there's the Volcano. Some people prefer various whip only vapes over the Extreme on the basis of direct draw performance. When you're comparing quality vapes, differences in design result in people choosing one over another because of personal preference, just like buying a car.

I just checked out that aromed 4.0, looks really scientific and medical. Even if that was the same price i'd still get the extreme. The only benefits from the aromed compared to the extreme is it has a built in water filter, a halogen heater and it is almost 100% efficient since it only is heated when you inhale. But i can hook up my bong to the extreme and get the same water filtration and the extreme has a all ceramic heater so it must be just as good as the halogen heater the aromed uses(but i don't know which is safer...). So really it only has one benefit over the extreme which is the efficiency. I think the extreme is more for the recreational user(with its nice looks, convenience, portability, and number of uses) but still seems safe enough for medical use if all of arizer's claims of totally toxin free parts are true which i believe are thanks to their rep.

You're making a lot of assumptions on the basis of reading advertising text. The heater type is pretty low on the list of factors that determine efficiency. The Purple-Days vape (half the price of the Extreme) is more efficient than either of these two because there's vey little condensation loss-short distance for vapor travel and no relatively cool glass or long tubing length to attract the vapor. As for halogen vs. ceramic, they're both quality and there's no need to quibble about the differences. I have a vape that uses a halogen bulb and can tell no difference between it and various ceramic heaters (other than the light output ). All ceramic heaters are not created equal, but the good name brands use good quality elements.

Also, deep you said something about aluminum grinders being bad for you... Is this true? I have been using aluminum grinders forever but i have cleaned them with rubbing alcohol before i use them out of the package. I didn't think the aluminum toxins could come off unless it was heated? So is this true about aluminum grinders? If so i will order i wooden or SS one asap.

Lot's of cheap grinders out there and nobody has rounded them all up and tested them. Some good, affordable grinders include those from Kelly's Great Products on eBay (already listed above), TrueBlendz (http://www.spacegrinders.com/), and Mix'n'Ball (http://store.mixnball.com/cubecart/index.php).

 

[NSXTACY]

Glad you like it but that's a strong dual statement. How do you know what kind of quality the parts are? Have you taken it apart? Even if you did, would you know whether the components were RoHS compliant (free of hazardous substances) and otherwise high quality and/or safe? I'm not doubting Steve's build and parts quality, but you can't judge a book by its cover, and you're including a lot of vapes that you know nothing about from personal experience. And I'd have to strongly disagree that the Extreme puts all other vapes to shame. The only aspect in which the Extreme has an advantage over the field of quality vapes is in the variety of ways it can be used. For bag use the herbalAire is just as good, and of course there's the Volcano. Some people prefer various whip only vapes over the Extreme on the basis of direct draw performance. When yo
u're comparing quality vapes, differences in design result in people choosing one over another because of personal preference, just like buying a car.

You can usually tell quality from looking at it and using it. I certainly can tell it is quality, everything works as it is supposed too and the temperature is dead on calibrated so no guessing. The features are very well thought out and design is superb, thats how i can tell quality. You can;t tell it's free of hazardous chemicals unless you test it, but the fact that they use pure ceramic heater, all food and medical grade glass, tubing and bags says a lot about how safe it is. It sure beats my old metallic heater with toxic producing parts and it especially beats smoking. I can't say it is perfect when it comes to healthiness cause i don;t know but what i do know is that it is by far the best vape ive used and ive used the volcano and personally own a box style vape similar to the vapor brothers. It is the only bag and whip setup vape i know that also has pure ceramic heater with only food and medical grade vapor path and it costs 1/2 of what the volcano costs, thats why i think it puts the other vapes to shame, it just sets the bar. You seem almost against the extreme? HAve you treid one at all. I can't explain how much i love this compared to any other vape, the design is simply superb.

I also checked out the herbalaire and it looks nice again but has many downers to me: like slow balloon blowing time(especially since it has separate plugs for pump and heater), balloon leaks, teflon material(where i think glass is best).

You're making a lot of assumptions on the basis of reading advertising text. The heater type is pretty low on the list of factors that determine efficiency. The Purple-Days vape (half the price of the Extreme) is more efficient than either of these two because there's vey little condensation loss-short distance for vapor travel and no relatively cool glass or long tubing length to attract the vapor. As for halogen vs. ceramic, they're both quality and there's no need to quibble about the differences. I have a vape that uses a halogen bulb and can tell no difference between it and various ceramic heaters (other than the light output wink ). All ceramic heaters are not created equal, but the good name brands use good quality elements.

The extreme is pretty dang efficient, the bowl is huge so you have so much volume of hot air flowing through to heat all around the herb and you don't have to use the long whip, they include a short whip for filling the ballon and you can just pop on a mouth piece whenever, but this hardly concerns me, the long whip gives a really pure light taste. The thing is Arizer just thought of EVERYTHING when building this vaporizer, thats why it is the EXTREME.
I sure do like the purple-days vape, it looks awesome but not exactly my type of vape being a at home user i usually like it fixed like the extreme is. And i don't understand how the purple days works or heats up and how do you know the temperature? Is it a ceramic heater? It isn't explained enough and doesn;t look like the company is as organized as Arizer is. Also the video of it working looks like smoke almost which scares me.... I like light vapor.

But i wonder why do they use a halogen bulb? Is there any specific reason? To me the glowing would get very annoying because i vape at night a lot before going to sleep.

I surely think i bought the best one for my preferences, if i had any other choice id probably go for the AroMed but thats probably it. Tonight is the night for the good herb, ill be updating live if im not too inebriated.

 

[vaporcloud]

Do some more reading and you will see all the info you ask about the PD is either on the PD site or in a thread here. The PD does have an ceramic heater and no temp control because the heat exchanger keeps it in the correct vapping range. I admit the video doesn't really do the PD justice.

 

[NSXTACY]

So how much herb can u put in the pd? In the vid it looked like it was hardly a pinch. It looks extremely efficient, probably something i would get if i needed portability. I finally found some more info on the PD, and i really like it. Looks great, the smoke in the vid scares me though... it doesn't produce smoke right??
Oh and does anyone know if the extreme has been tested for RoHS Compliant? Or lead free? I trust it is very very safe but i was just wondering if any tests were done with it. Maybe i can get my friend to buy the PD and test it out. Oh and one more question on the PD... If you were using different herbs besides tobacco wouldnt the temp be to low or too high since it is fixed temp?

 

[max]

You seem almost against the extreme? HAve you treid one at all. I can't explain how much i love this compared to any other vape, the design is simply superb.

I guess I didn't make my point clear enough. Not that it has anything to do with my point, but I owned the V-Tower, which is the Extreme minus the digital and bag setup. So I do know how it hits. I'm not against the Extreme at all, just the way you presented it.

To repeat what I said-

I'm not doubting Steve's build and parts quality, but you can't judge a book by its cover, and you're including a lot of vapes that you know nothing about from personal experience.

My point was you're assuming the vape has the best of parts inside because it looks nice on the outside. There are some crappy vapes out there that look good. If the parts you're talking about are the glass bowl, connector and tubing, those are nice but not exceptional.

It is the only bag and whip setup vape i know that also has pure ceramic heater with only food and medical grade vapor path

Medical grade vapor path? You mean tubing? Most vapes have perfectly acceptable tubing. It's not a big deal. Ceramic heaters aren't a big deal these days and as for quality, you're pretty much taking the seller's word for it. Are you saying it puts the other combo vapes to shame? You're not clear on that, just "the vapes". I don't think anyone would disagree it's better than a Vapor Bros clone, although personally I prefer the hits from pretty much any box vape over the Extreme. So, because of my preference, I could easily argue that a Vapor Cannon puts the Extreme to shame-better hits (again, just my preference), better warranty, and almost one third the price. So for some people, Vaporwarez is the place to go to get a steal.

the video of it working looks like smoke almost which scares me.... I like light vapor.

Appearances can be deceiving. It's all in the lighting. And you know it's the right temp because it does what it's supposed to do.

My point was that some of your assumptions about the superiority of the Extreme aren't true in relation to other models, and your opinions and ad copy are sort of presented as fact. You describe the Aromed as almost 100% efficient. How would you know that even if you owned one? A rave review is fine, but you should try and separate your likes and preferences from absolutes.

 

[NSXTACY]

I'd really like to know what is better than glass? I wouldn't say teflon is better. What do you think would be better than glass? Glass is inert and takes in no taste, no wonder they use it for anything medical or food related.

And I don't understand what you are talking about how different vapes hit, they all practically hit the same, the only thing that makes them hit different is temp, speed of pull, and of course the taste you get from other materials other than the herb. We really can't compare how it hits because it all depends on how you pull or the temp. But what it has that is better than all the other vapes is its many functions where you would have to buy many different vapes to get all the same functions, and no other vape has a remote.
I didn't post to have an argument, i was just trying to tell everyone how much i liked it and how it works. Most of the things i said were very opinionated(naturally). I think we are splitting really fine hairs here.

Oh and i did not mean to say 100% for the Aromed. It says on their site about 90% of the herb is inhaled and i just said almost 100% because it is almost 100% effeicient. Im not always 100% correct on things, but i guess you are the fact police or something....

 

[vtac]

Ah, semantics.

I know, when you get a new toy it's hard not to gush over it, don't worry. Save yourself from max's wrath by adding a simple 'IMO' or even ''.

Seriously though, every vape company out there says that their unit is 'hands down the best, most efficient, safest, healthiest, most advanced, cleanest, medical grade, state of the art, pinnacle of vaporizer technology ever conceived by a team of nasa engineers in the history of the universe'. After reading enough company hype it starts to get on your nerves.

Here I think we prefer to take a pessimistic approach, so much bullshit out there, hard not to. So when someone states things as fact and not opinion, chances are they're going to get called out on it.

Don't take it the wrong way, I'm sure you're just really happy with your new Extreme and that's awesome. Clearly it's a cut above most of the vapes out there and IMO, a better vape than its closest competition- the herbalAire.

Personally I'd rather buy a Purple-Days, even at the same price. Just a better fit for my needs. Want bags? Then I guess the Extreme wins that one. No use comparing apples to oranges.

I'd really like to know what is better than glass? I wouldn't say teflon is better.

Hell no, Teflon isn't better in a vape (imo ). Who said that? Fuck Teflon, imo.

And I don't understand what you are talking about how different vapes hit, they all practically hit the same, the only thing that makes them hit different is temp, speed of pull, and of course the taste you get from other materials other than the herb. We really can't compare how it hits because it all depends on how you pull or the temp.

Going to have to respectfully disagree there. Type of heater, distance from herb, size of bowl, size and length of air path etc, all contribute to the hit, IMO. max has tried a ton of vapes so I'd be inclined to trust his opinion on that one.

Anyway, I will fuck off now and enjoy some relaxing vapor. Anyone want to join me? Well minus the 'fuck off'





P.S. max, please change your title to 'fact police'

P.P.S. welcome aboard, NSXTASY.