The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

VirtualRealist

Mastervapour
EpicPopsicle said:
It's me again! As promised:

Extreme Q - and the mystical elbow pack (aka elbow pack 101)...

Ok guys, I'm going to explain the often perplexing elbow pack and attempt to put this lingering and often puzzling question to rest, for good. I'm going to explain this without the use of pictures, so focus on my w o r d s... [queue hypnotic music]. I believe in you, you can do this!

Note: So for those of you that wonder why nobody takes the time to answer this question in detail on how to actually do this; I finally know why. The reason? BECAUSE ITS EASY AND THEY'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED IT! And everyone knows that once the thing is in front of you, you'll figure it out on your own, really!

If you read my posts above you know I'm the new owner of an Extreme Q (EQ) and this was one of the questions I had as well (before I received my EQ). With that said...

EXTREME Q - HOW TO PACK THE ELBOW
Prerequisite: Put the cyclone bowl on top of the unit. Don't put anything in the cyclone bowl - its going to stay empty from now one - kapeesh? Turn on the unit, set it to 200c. No fan, just turn it on. Let it get to 200c, it takes less than a minute. No need to let the unit sit at this temperature for any amount of time, no need to percolate your bud. Just do what I say.

1) Grab an elbow - any elbow.
--The EQ ships with two elbows. One for the whip, one for the balloon. They are the exact same. They are the 90 degree glass pieces that sit on top of the cyclone bowl. The cyclone bowl is the glass that always sits on top of the EQ. The elbow is the piece that is most often taken on and off the EQ whether you load the cyclone bowl or elbow.

2) Turn elbow over (upside down).
--Look into the end of the elbow that sits in the cyclone bowl (not the end that connects to the whip or balloon). What will you see? You will see a screen. It is in a bowl shape screen. You can barely stick your pinky into this end of the elbow, and then you will hit that screen. Its a curved screen, and it fits the rounded tip of your pinky perfectly. Got it?

3) Put material into elbow, on top of screen
--If you've ever used a bong, its just liked loading a bowl - no different! Except that it barely takes any to fill. Its small, and not very deep. Now pack that material down ever so lightly with your pinky or the squared end of the glass stir stick that ships with the EQ. It won't take much pressure - I barely tamp it down, flip it over, and nothing falls out.

4) Flip elbow back over, put on top of cyclone bowl.
--This is what you always do. But this time you have nothing in the cyclone bowl. So just put the elbow on. DO IT.

5) Fill balloon or use wand
--Again, that's up to you, but your ready. Start at 200c whether on a whip or balloon. Depending on the quality of your bud, you can fill at least 1 balloon with vapor or take 4-15 good vapor hits from the whip. Again, it depends on the material (strain, age, etc). From what I've gathered, how much vapor and how thick it is (white milky cloud vs clear vapor) YOU get depends on what your burning, not how your doing it (so stop thinking your screwing something up). When you feel like you've depleted your material, turn it up in 5c degree increments, 200c to 205c (etc), and see if you get any more vapor. From what I read, most people stop at 210c.

And that's it! See, it's easy!

So why elbow vape?
Again, summarizing what a lot of people have already said, it's really up to you, but a lot of people swear by it compared to the cyclone bowl method. The cyclone bowl method is the normal method, the elbow method is considered not using it really as intended (or maybe Arizer did intend this as a choice, not sure), but getting better results. Long story short, both methods work, but give you different results. It's nice to have the option though, as they have different purposes and different results. Read on...

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Pros to elbow method:
-All your material is packed into a tiny area and it can't move. All the hot air is forced through all you material at once, in a much smaller cavity then the cyclone bowl. The result is thicker and quicker vapor. You can disagree with this, and you can also suck my whip. :lol:

Cons to elbow method:
-You use up an elbow a lot quicker then a cyclone bowl. Why? Because it holds WAY less then the cyclone bowl. Which means you have to repack your elbow more often. With that said, you may not even make it past 1 elbow pack! :brow:

Pros to cyclone bowl:
-Set it and forget it. You can put a lot more material in the cyclone bowl, which means you won't be getting off your ass as much. This is probably good for groups of people sharing your epic vaporizer.

Cons to Cyclone bowl:
- This method could take you longer to get to your finish line as the vapor may not be as concentrated. You'll still extract the same amount of THC from your material; it may just take longer to do it.
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Whats the difference between the cyclone bowl and elbow?
--The cyclone bowl is like a big round globe. The heat comes up from the bottom, the material dances and spins around like a bingo ball machine, and in theory the heated air touches every side of each little piece uniformly. Vapor releases and continues out the top of the globe into your whip or balloon.
--The elbow sits on top of the cyclone bowl (or globe). It has a little screen pocket to stop any stray material from leaving the unit and flying into your lungs. That little pocket can be stuffed with material. All the hot air goes right past the empty cyclone bowl and smacks right into your packed wall of material all at once. And BAMMO your hit with a thick blast of milky vapor. Depending again on your material and how well you read my guide above. :D

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Other methods
--Some people only pack the elbow screen with fresh bud. Once that bud is used (ABV or Already Been Vaped), they dump it in the cyclone bowl and pack the elbow with fresh material. Yes, they BOTH can be used at the same time. I just blew your mind.


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Q and A:
1) Question: If you pack the elbow with bud, how does that affect the air flow? Won't it restrict the air path to the point where it will clog the tube?
Answer: No. Really, I was surprised. The air goes right through the bud in the elbow. Its M A G I C .

2) Question: If you pack material into the elbow, then turn it upside down, what keeps it from falling down into the cyclone bowl?
Answer: Well hopefully you packed it down enough not to fall out when you flipped it over. It really doesn't require much, just a very gentle tamp. Why does it not fall out? Like I said already, M A G I C.

3) Question: How hard is this really? Will I figure it out once I get my unit?
Answer: Dogh! Did you not read this post? It's so easy a 2yo could figure it out. No, you won't screw it up, I swear, you can't! I take that back.

4) Question: Won't you go through a lot more weed that way, DUDE? I mean if your frequently refilling the elbow, why not just use the cyclone bowl?? What a waste of material?
Answer: WHAT? No no no. You don't use MORE material, your just using less at a time. Its like switching the gas tank on a car. It gets the same MPG, just a smaller tank. And some say its more potent. It can be, but really your just getting your material in you faster. And MAGIC, don't forget the MAGIC.

5) Question: I still don't get it.
Answer: Seriously? You were suppose to get vaked AFTER reading this. Go sober up and read this again. :p
---Hey, Epic. What a fresh breath you bring to our community. LMFAO. Welcome!

I hope that helps. If I can answer any other questions or if there is anything I missed, please say so.

Cheers and happy vaping.
:D:peace:
 
VirtualRealist,

subliminaloser

Her Highnesty
SundayVaper said:
Hey Epic!

Personally I would suggest elbow packs for the whip only. I personally get milkier balloons using the cyclone and the fan on 1. I also think it's more efficient. As far as the packing goes, just put the elbow in your grinder and suck the herb up through the whip :ninja:

Anyways, I've just got the best herb I've had in months and my evil month old EQ is just staring at me with it's stupid error message... sigh

Have you contacted Arizer or the retailer you bought it from? Many people on this site seem to have had luck with getting replacements....
 
subliminaloser,

SundayVaper

Well-Known Member
subliminaloser said:
SundayVaper said:
Hey Epic!

Personally I would suggest elbow packs for the whip only. I personally get milkier balloons using the cyclone and the fan on 1. I also think it's more efficient. As far as the packing goes, just put the elbow in your grinder and suck the herb up through the whip :ninja:

Anyways, I've just got the best herb I've had in months and my evil month old EQ is just staring at me with it's stupid error message... sigh

Have you contacted Arizer or the retailer you bought it from? Many people on this site seem to have had luck with getting replacements....


Actually I've been offered by both the ebay vendor I bought it from and Arizer to send it in. I'm actually leaning with the vendor because they would just exchange the unit and Arizer's email said that they would either repair or exchange... well I've only had it since Xmas, so I'd just prefer a new unit. Also while Arizer's email service responded within 24 hours most of the time, it usually was the next day so it has taken all week of correspondence just to get it set to return to them. I assume the ebay vendor is likely home-based or something. They responded within an hour or two and would assume that the turnaround would be equally quick.

Sorry for babbling, I'm totally split from SMOKING beautiful nug with whatever substance was left when I let my swamp water evaporate too much lol
 
SundayVaper,

warren79

Active Member
Extreme Q - Question (merged)

Hi guys, 1st post.....AWSOME AWSOME AWSOME website....so much info.

Although there are already posts on the Extreme-Q, Nobody on here mentioned anything negitive about the glass pieces.

Im in South Africa and can get the HerbalAire or Extreme-Q for about the same price +- ($300 or R2500) vs Volcano ($1400 or R10 000) - HUGE price differance

I like the fact that the HerbalAire is more efficient BUT decided that at the end of FEB, Im getting me an Extreme-Q because - Its digital, looks attractive, and has a remote. Also, I often burn essential oils everyday so that is a function of the Extreme that Ill actually use.

However, Ive read of people complaining about the quality of the glass. Even read that 1 guy broke ALL his glass pieces, the 1st night he got the vape. Other people complain about breaking the glass when trying something as simple as removing it from the vape......is this all true? I haven't read anybody on here complaining about this though but I need to know so any comments welcome.

Thanks in advance.
 
warren79,

SundayVaper

Well-Known Member
I haven't had any issues with any of the glass, but I use it on carpeted floors. I think the most vulnerable time is when you take the cyclone bowl off and you put it on the table (and it's extremely hot). I think anyone could fashion that would secure and insulate the bowl. I just read about someone's elbow pieces being cracked, but I consider that more an exception than the norm.

They do offer a heavy duty bowl which is exactly the same, except it's made with what I'm assuming is gorilla glass.
 
SundayVaper,

warren79

Active Member
Thanks for the reply.....this is the only forum where people are NOT cpmplaining about the glass breaking from mere handling it...Will wait for some more replies because I almost changed my mind about this vape and went with the Herbalaire.
 
warren79,

CutePanda

Well-Known Member
I've had the EQV for about 2 weeks now and can't say anything bad about the glass.

One thing to be careful of is that the elbow will stick to the cyclone bowl and the cyclone bowl will stick to the heater. It's not a strong stick by any means, but be careful when you are taking a. the elbow off b. the cyclone bowl c. both the elbow and the cyclone bowl. I usually leave my EQV on for hours at a time with the cyclone bowl on it. When it's not being used, I try to turn the temperature down if I can remember.
 
CutePanda,

Hery Vappy

Active Member
Unless you are trashed or a complete klutz I wouldn't worry about the glass. The all glass pathway surely out weighs the risks of breakage.
 
Hery Vappy,

Tstat

Dead Foot Designs
Accessory Maker
Yea, it's glass and it can break. But it is not cheap glass or glass that is prone to breaking more than others. I personally love the fact that it has so much glass. I use it in conjunction with clear glass tubes and bubblers. It seems cleaner (and easier to clean).

I bought the herbalAire for my son because I know his track record with glass pipes and bongs. They always end up broken. Plus he only like to do bags. The herbaAire is a very durable vape, so if it gets knocked over there is not much risk of doing damage. The Q's glass pieces would break if knocked over or dropped.

So, I guess I am just saying that if you are someone who breaks things easily, I'd go with the Herbie. If you are like me and have expensive glass pieces and a special place to keep them, then the Q would fit right in. Hope this helps...
 
Tstat,

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
Hery Vappy said:
Unless you are trashed or a complete klutz I wouldn't worry about the glass. The all glass pathway surely out weighs the risks of breakage.

First, the pathway isn't all-glass. Air passes over the electronics before it is heated, and is exposed to the ceramic heater as it is heated. This doesn't bother me but there are people who care about such things.

I am prone to break glass, and I have dropped and broken a cyclone bowl and a stirring rod. The heater cover shattered once, although I am not sure how it happened. (This is an Extreme v3, not a Q; the heater cover is better protected in a Q.) I might have done it trying to remove a cyclone bowl while everything was hot, but I'm only guessing because I actually used it for a while after it broke. (It took a while before I figured out why it started drawing so poorly...)

As for the tuff bowl, it is simply a regular cyclone bowl wrapped in a protective Teflon tube. It is as ugly as sin. It will protect the cyclone bowl from impact but not from heat stress, and I had a tuff bowl crack on me, again possibly due to handling while hot. Further, the Teflon eventually dries and cracks from the heat, and pieces start to fall off, sometimes inside the unit.

The bottom line is that these parts are glass and glass breaks. Hot glass is more fragile than cold glass. The glass parts of the Extreme sometimes stick, and this is when even the most careful user can break something. When your glass sticks never twist! Gently wiggle, or better yet cool the pieces down.
 
pakalolo,

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
Hery Vappy said:
I apologize to any people that I offended with my incorrect all glass pathway comment. :rolleyes:

I doubt anyone was offended, but someone could have been misled.
 
pakalolo,

Hery Vappy

Active Member
luckily it got straightened out. :lol:


Just playing pak, I'm honestly in awe of your (as well as a lot of other members) knowledge of vaporizers.
 
Hery Vappy,

sharkvszombie299

Well-Known Member
ordered an Extreme Q in celebration of not smoking any tobacco products for 6 months. Got it in the mail on a monday..broke the glass cover for the element on thursday. So heated. Its already on the way to arizer cause i didnt want to mess with the insides, how ever had i seen the instructions in this thread earlier i prob would have tried to fix it myself. Oh well they said they would have it fixed in two days max and shipped back within a week. I cant wait i miss my Q so much:mad::mad::mad:
 
sharkvszombie299,

warren79

Active Member
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Hery Vappy said:
Hot glass is more fragile than cold glass. The glass parts of the Extreme sometimes stick, and this is when even the most careful user can break something. When your glass sticks never twist! Gently wiggle, or better yet cool the pieces down.

I thought that the bowl has to be removed while hot, if it cools down it would stick too much. Anyway Ill probably have mine in 2 weeks or so, then Ill figure it out.

I just hope that if anything does break that it can be replaced.I wouldn't like to break something that can't be replaced, then sit with a dead unit thats virtually brand new.
 
warren79,

SundayVaper

Well-Known Member
warren79 said:
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Hery Vappy said:
Hot glass is more fragile than cold glass. The glass parts of the Extreme sometimes stick, and this is when even the most careful user can break something. When your glass sticks never twist! Gently wiggle, or better yet cool the pieces down.

I thought that the bowl has to be removed while hot, if it cools down it would stick too much. Anyway Ill probably have mine in 2 weeks or so, then Ill figure it out.

I just hope that if anything does break that it can be replaced.I wouldn't like to break something that can't be replaced, then sit with a dead unit thats virtually brand new.

The glass is more fragile, but the cyclone is actually much harder to handle because even with the black (unsure of the material) coating over it, it can still be hot as hell. Now that I think about it, that "Ove Glove" on tv would be a nice included accessory to go with the rest. :)
 
SundayVaper,

Bluntcrush

Director of Vapor Research Labs™
Does anyone know where I can purchase a modified cyclone bowl that lowers the position of the flowers closer to the heat? I have seen some on here (last summer) I think were made custom, and I was wondering if someone has a source. Also are these effective? I use mostly the elbow method for bags and whip, but I would like a little thicker vapor without higher heat. Any help would be appreciated!
 
Bluntcrush,

fidget

Well-Known Member
Bluntcrush said:
Does anyone know where I can purchase a modified cyclone bowl that lowers the position of the flowers closer to the heat? I have seen some on here (last summer) I think were made custom, and I was wondering if someone has a source. Also are these effective? I use mostly the elbow method for bags and whip, but I would like a little thicker vapor without higher heat. Any help would be appreciated!

+1
 
fidget,

Papoose

Well-Known Member
Good morning all,

After much research I decided to get the Q for my first vape. I wanted one with a bag feature and I couldn't justify spending $700 on a Volcano. I ordered mine from KJ Rockwise on Monday and it cost $271 after taxes with free shipping within Canada. It arrived yesterday and man oh man is is a cool piece of technology!

I have to say that I am absolutely shocked as to how little weed I needed to use in order to achieve the desired effects. I literally used a pinch of weed for my initial test, set the Q to 180C and filled up my first bag. That one bag gave me 4 huge, 99.9% lung-capacity hits and needless to say I was pretty destroyed after that. It was a way different "high" that what I was used to after my 20 years of smoking via other methods and so smooth! No coughing or anything like that and I can't believe I waited this long to purchase a vape.

In closing I would just like to say thank you to all those who posted their knowledge in this thread. It is because of people like you that I was able to unpack my unit and use it successfully right out of the box without any headaches whatsoever. Kudos, people!
 
Papoose,

Tstat

Dead Foot Designs
Accessory Maker
Yes, the Q is certainly a great little machine.

Question: Where is the best place for replacement tubing and what size for the Q? I looked in vaporpedia but did not see it there. I know it has been discussed here, but I can't find it...
 
Tstat,

Tstat

Dead Foot Designs
Accessory Maker
OK, I remember someone talking about this. I don't think I want opaque tubing, though...
 
Tstat,

SundayVaper

Well-Known Member
Tstat said:
Yes, the Q is certainly a great little machine.

Question: Where is the best place for replacement tubing and what size for the Q? I looked in vaporpedia but did not see it there. I know it has been discussed here, but I can't find it...
I believe the tubing that comes with the EQ is 1/4" ID 3/8" OD. Obv want something medical/food safe. Honestly, I don't think $15 for a whole new whip from Arizer is a bad deal, but then I don't know if your intention is to replace your current whip or build a longer one...
 
SundayVaper,
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