scorpioeq
Member
Hey All, I'm on a bit of a quest here...
I'm looking for anyone who can help with this type of temperature accuracy testing on the EQ (or at least point me in the right direction)...
From what I gather, the actual herb vape temp in the EQ is lower than what is set on the unit - but by how much? What's the actual temp in the bowl? It's nice to know what the heater is set at, but the actual vape temp would be much more useful.
This is my setup with the DDave mod short adapter...
http://screencast.com/t/G47p6qDME27K
Any help would be great! Thanks!
I'm looking for anyone who can help with this type of temperature accuracy testing on the EQ (or at least point me in the right direction)...
From what I gather, the actual herb vape temp in the EQ is lower than what is set on the unit - but by how much? What's the actual temp in the bowl? It's nice to know what the heater is set at, but the actual vape temp would be much more useful.
This is my setup with the DDave mod short adapter...
http://screencast.com/t/G47p6qDME27K
Any help would be great! Thanks!
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That's going to be a tough one, as there is temp variance even between EQ units.
And with a convection vape, draw speed will also impact oven temps.
If you want to get close, get a fast read cooking thermometer. Preheat your EQ for 15 minutes with adapter on. Hold thermometer at the screen inside the adapter and turn your fan on speed 1. When the temp stabilizes, record the reading and bump the fan to speed 2, do the same. The finally speed 3.
That will give you a good idea how your particular unit's oven temps range dependent on draw or fan speed.
scorpioeq
Member
That's going to be a tough one, as there is temp variance even between EQ units.
And with a convection vape, draw speed will also impact oven temps.
If you want to get close, get a fast read cooking thermometer. Preheat your EQ for 15 minutes with adapter on. Hold thermometer at the screen inside the adapter and turn your fan on speed 1. When the temp stabilizes, record the reading and bump the fan to speed 2, do the same. The finally speed 3.
That will give you a good idea how your particular unit's oven temps range dependent on draw or fan speed.
Hey, Yeah, I figured this might be a bit of a challenge. I considered the cooking thermometer, but am not sure how accurate they are at higher temperature as many of the non-digital ones only go up to 220F or so and even the digital ones may not measure high temps accurately.
Yeah, it makes sense that different EQs would perform differently as I think there have been 4 versions of the model, each with different max temperatures.
I would use your approach as well, measuring the temps at the screen for different fan speeds. I was just hoping someone here might have some scientific temperature measuring equipment lying around and be able to give a try
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Sds
Member
Hey, Yeah, I figured this might be a bit of a challenge. I considered the cooking thermometer, but am not sure how accurate they are at higher temperature as many of the non-digital ones only go up to 220F or so and even the digital ones may not measure high temps accurately.
Yeah, it makes sense that different EQs would perform differently as I think there have been 4 versions of the model, each with different max temperatures.
I would use your approach as well, measuring the temps at the screen for different fan speeds. I was just hoping somewhere here might have some scientific temperature measuring equipment lying around and be able to give a try
Totally understood. The EQ temp readout can be viewed as the SSV/DBV knob. A good reference point for your prefered vape sessions, but probably not as an accurate temp readout.
Though not a high tech piece of lab equip, below is one awesome thermometer. (also very useful when cooking a whole chicken on a charcoal bbq!) $10 and free shipping if you have amazon prime.
Weber 6492 Original Instant-Read Thermometer
http://www.amazon.com/Weber-6492-Original-Instant-Read-Thermometer/dp/B009IH0BZ0
32°F to 446°F according to the Owner's Guide
scorpioeq
Member
Yea, I was actually looking at that same thermometer earlier, but gave up on the idea b/c I wasn't sure how well it could handle the high temps (some reviews say the display malfunctions - but I didn't read if it was related to high temperatures or not). Anyway, I'll take another look at it though if that's what the manual says.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Well if you can get all the extraction from all the temps ranges in one elbow pack into one full bag. You will have succeeded with my goal and will become The Bagmaster of the EQ thread. Any takers? Who doesn't want a dirigible airship full of tasty vapor?
They probably have even made some small improvements since then.
Welcome to the thread. Yea I guess that is a lot of build up for 4 days of vaping. I suspect it might be the pack method and type of grind that may be contributing to amount of your ABV buildup. If you are experiencing problems with the 2nd or 3rd draw, then that is also a tell. You might want to try a coarser grind and try to get a better packing method that works for you. I find if I go too fine, it clogs the screens and the finer particles end up in the elbow or wand. Like you are experiencing.
How hard of a pack should I use? Well if you use your EQ wand, then you can apply the right amount of pressure to make the herbs stack better. Then when you draw, the finer particles won't clog in the screen mesh so much. Then the weak hits. You can perfect these thing and get better performance.
I use the straw draw method because the herbs seem to stack better in the elbow. Much like how a Barista tries to get the right pack with making an espresso.
Hold the elbow or wand over the goods, draw it in like a straw.
. Then tamp it down with the EQ wand. Maybe a firm press at the end. I actually use a special chillum as a 'straw' because the screens fit it like it was made for it. Then I can leave my elbow or wand in the EQ preheating and insert the screen. OR you can get the @DDave kit and have less problems with extraction. Check the links in my sig. and ask here and @DDave himself if you are interested. If you read say the last 5 pages or more of this thread, you can hear others tell there story once the Kit arrived in the mail. Hope this helps.
My bet is the people who reported failure left it in the meat while it cooked instead of getting a quick read and getting it out of the heat. Mine has worked for a year.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
In a single word - Calibration. I'm thinking that would also be a good method to measure the amount of heat your glass bowl can absorb and sustain with the fan running as a varible.
Yes, I am taking your idea and running with it as usual.Precisely why I would geek out and measure the glass bowl temp and heat loss with the fan running. Where the rubber meets the road.
Another wrinkle. Some EQ's have 3 sensors right? If I knew where their placement is, there may be a way to circumvent them and get the readings from all 3 sensors.
The EQ has an IR sensor. So if you can come up with a figure of how much of an inaccuracy there is. And create an app that has the calibration formula in the background.
So when someone used their phone's IR to control the EQ, The temp listed on the phone matches the Temp of the EQ more accurately. Just let the phone do the heavy math.
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kellya86
Herb gardener...
@Sds that is alot of build up for 4 days, it's been a while since Iv used an elbow, but I'm sure mine never got that dirty...
How much product are you putting through to get this???
How fine is your grind???
How much moisture is in the herb???
Do you stir the basket while in the elbow???
It seems to me that your problem is particulate matter rather that accumulation or oils....
Thats what it looks like in the pics anyway...
How much product are you putting through to get this???
How fine is your grind???
How much moisture is in the herb???
Do you stir the basket while in the elbow???
It seems to me that your problem is particulate matter rather that accumulation or oils....
Thats what it looks like in the pics anyway...
Sds
Member
Hi thanks for the reply,
About 1-1.5g per day goes through it (I don't find the extreme q particularly efficient).
The grind is pretty fine as I flip my metal grinder upside down and it's nearly like flour.
I just fill the elbow screen then gently pad it down with the stirrer tool.
I then let it sit and heat up for 5mins or so then pull long at a slow/medium speed.
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kellya86
Herb gardener...
Yeah definately don't grind that fine... and use half or a third of a basket to improve efficiency...
I highly recommend the @DDave kit for you, it maximises efficiency and performance, while giving you many different possibilities for delivery methods. Fast and hard to slow and long and everything in between.
I find it helps keep my tolerance in check...
The stock eq, as good as it is, does eat your herb,
I highly recommend the @DDave kit for you, it maximises efficiency and performance, while giving you many different possibilities for delivery methods. Fast and hard to slow and long and everything in between.
I find it helps keep my tolerance in check...
The stock eq, as good as it is, does eat your herb,
Sds
Member
Yeah I will have to start filling abit less.
I usually only get one good full pull off a basket, then maybe 1 or 2 little pulls.
I hear everyone else getting 4+ hits off an elbow pack.
Could this be because I've been grinding way too fine?
I still get high as shit. But it does use quite a bit of herb.
Yeah I actually am just waiting on 1inch screens and I'll have the ddave mod set up as well as the SSV water pipe adapter to replace the stock elbow.
This might be a silly question but the silicone I bought on ebay is 'food' grade. Is this OK or is 'medical' grade silicone an absolute must?
Thanks everyone
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Hi there @Sds Wasn't sure if you saw my long reply. That was at the bottom of my combined post. Hope this helps.Welcome to the thread. Yea I guess that is a lot of build up for 4 days of vaping. I suspect it might be the pack method and type of grind that may be contributing to amount of your ABV buildup. If you are experiencing problems with the 2nd or 3rd draw, then that is also a tell. You might want to try a coarser grind and try to get a better packing method that works for you. I find if I go too fine, it clogs the screens and the finer particles end up in the elbow or wand. Like you are experiencing.
How hard of a pack should I use? Well if you use your EQ wand, then you can apply the right amount of pressure to make the herbs stack better. Then when you draw, the finer particles won't clog in the screen mesh so much. Then the weak hits. You can perfect these thing and get better performance.
I use the straw draw method because the herbs seem to stack better in the elbow. Much like how a Barista tries to get the right pack with making an espresso.
Hold the elbow or wand over the goods, draw it in like a straw.
OR you can get the @DDave kit and have less problems with extraction. Check the links in my sig. and ask here and @DDave himself if you are interested. If you read say the last 5 pages or more of this thread, you can hear others tell there story once the Kit arrived in the mail. Hope this helps.
I have gotten 500f Food Grade silicone hose from beverage distributors. Usually matching the I.D. (Inner Diameter) of my pathway. You want something heat resist.
Used @DDave's in the kit and ordered my own off of ebay.
If you do get the kit from @DDave, He puts 2 long silicone hoses that fit the wands. Plus the screens are of a better mesh. Which would also help with the clog problems you are having.
drclaw
Well-Known Member
Any way you could clarify what you mean by that? I'm not sure how flipping my grinder upside down would cause the grind to change at all unless I am missing something. Just a handheld "Spacecase/Sharpstone" style grinder? I've often felt my grind was a bit too coarse and would love to know a different method for changing the consistency without having to purchase a new/second grinder. Thanks in advance for any guidance you could provide.
Thanks to everyone in this community actually, super helpful group. Just got the @DDave mod from the @DDave himself on eBay and couldn't be happier with the results.
Nugg
Well-Known Member
It sounds like @Sds is using a 4 piece grinder. As the herb is broken down it falls through into a storage compartment. The holes are sized to give a course/medium grind (usually) so by flipping the grinder upside down the herb doesn't fall through and gets broken down to a finer grind.
If you have a 2 piece grinder you just need to grind longer to get it finer.
When I combusted I chopped my weed in a round bottomed shot glass with thin pointy scissors. If I already have some course ground herb and change vapes and need it finer I still resort back to the shot glass method rather than trying to put ground herbs back in my grinder.
If you have a 2 piece grinder you just need to grind longer to get it finer.
When I combusted I chopped my weed in a round bottomed shot glass with thin pointy scissors. If I already have some course ground herb and change vapes and need it finer I still resort back to the shot glass method rather than trying to put ground herbs back in my grinder.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Welcome to the thread @drclaw I own a 4pc SCS and can get 3 types of grinds out of it. 1st being the normal way.
If you have a 3 or 4 pc grinder. You can grind everything into the inside bowl, Once ground. Flip over the grinder. Grind everything that falls between the holes into the grinding section. Those particles will become twice ground. But wait....
I actually came up with a THIRD step of my own to that even, if you want to go even finer.
After doing the above. I flip the grinder right side up again. Then lift the top section straight up 90 degrees. The heavier particles will fall back into the grinder. Take the top lid and tamp it into say a coffee filter, spill tray, or yogurt lid. Put the top back on. Upside down grind. Right side up again. Lift 90 degrees, tamp, Repeat. Separating the finest from the fine.If you try this, tell me what you think. I think I'm the only one I know who does this method. Mentioned it twice. But haven't got a reaction towards it at FC. Which is weird, because there is usually at least one person who would make mention of it.
Now with my Haze and my SCS, I can go 5X. My Haze pulls apart more than shreds. But the final step will be the SCS tamp step at the end. Not that there would be a practical reason.
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KingKannon
Member
Hello all,
I've been reading/ studying lol this forum in anticipation for my EQ to arrive tomorrow. I already ordered and received the ddave mod and a SSV elbow piece along with a 3/8 whip for better airflow. I currently have the original Pax (going on 2 yrs) and I Love it... I definitely do not go anywhere with out my pax and some 'pre-grinded' herb. So now i will have an awesome portable and desktop vapes.. Man Im so excited and I hope that this thing hits, cause the pax hits like a champ.
I've been reading/ studying lol this forum in anticipation for my EQ to arrive tomorrow. I already ordered and received the ddave mod and a SSV elbow piece along with a 3/8 whip for better airflow. I currently have the original Pax (going on 2 yrs) and I Love it... I definitely do not go anywhere with out my pax and some 'pre-grinded' herb. So now i will have an awesome portable and desktop vapes.. Man Im so excited and I hope that this thing hits, cause the pax hits like a champ.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Welcome to the forum. I owned a PAX first for 2+ years. And Have my EQ and the @DDave kit from the man himself. Is that what you mean?
Or did you find a short bowl somewhere and an SSV wand for your setup? Just to clarify. So you've read some posts. Cool. I'd read even further back on this thread and get familiar more to ease the anticipation.
You can conserve a lot more materials and have convection power right from the get go with the EQ. PAX is great at what it does as a convection vape. But it seems to use more. Let us know how things go. I presume you will be getting a new one with the latest kit.
Arizer doesn't go public with minor changes, upgrades or newer parts. Let us know if you think you got something a little different then us. We like to be apprised of anything new.
KingKannon
Member
I owned a PAX first for 2+ years. And Have my EQ and the @DDave kit from the man himself. Is that what you mean?
I purchased the ddave bowl hopefully from @DDave himself from his ebay page. And, I brought the ssv whip from So yes that's what I meant. I will definitely let everyone know how's I think the two compare or any differences that I noticed in the EQ that have not previously been posted.