The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

[CuckFumbustion]

I've read ISO alcohol would degrade the Arizer PVC. Never tried it, but do advise you to cut a tiny piece off the end of the tubing and soak it in ISO as a test.

I wouldn't risk it. I know some have said certain types of whips were ok to soak or quickly rinse out, but in general, if it's not glass, I don't use ISO on it.

Thanks for bringing that up. Including testing a small portion. I didn't want to be the only one commenting on that. Have you heard anything negative about using it on silicone tubing?
Uh-oh, I've been using it full time on my PVC, will have to delve deeper. Do you think it is reactive with metal @DDave? Like my screens? Never saw anything visibly different when I use it on my stock hose, but I could be simply not seeing the difference with a visual inspection, if it was harmful in any matter. There is different types of PVC too. The colored silver surfer whip hose looks different than my clear PVC. Also there is a printed label that says 'NON-TOXIC PVC NSF-51' and other text printed on mine. That might shed some light on the subject.

Another aside, I've been told ANY type of clear food-safe material is anti-microbial by it's nature. Unlike a colored type of plastic. But I don't want to spread mis-information or muddy the waters for that matter. I do select food-safe hose that is designed to take higher temps. Like those designed for beverage manufacturers. Oh one more point. BPA? I have quite using BPA water bottles. Does this apply too? So much for a cut and dry answer. ......

Oh and just one more thing. certain plastics leech, like say when you keep tomato sauce in a plastic container. Gosh, I keep coming back with more questions than Detective Columbo.

 

[DDave]

Thanks for bringing that up. Including testing a small portion. I didn't want to be the only one commenting on that. Have you heard anything negative about using it on silicone tubing?
Uh-oh, I've been using it full time on my PVC, will have to delve deeper. Do you think it is reactive with metal @DDave? Like my screens? Never saw anything visibly different when I use it on my stock hose, but I could be simply not seeing the difference with a visual inspection, if it was harmful in any matter. There is different types of PVC too. The colored silver surfer whip hose looks different than my clear PVC. Also there is a printed label that says 'NON-TOXIC PVC NSF-51' and other text printed on mine. That might shed some light on the subject.

Another aside, I've been told ANY type of clear food-safe material is anti-microbial by it's nature. Unlike a colored type of plastic. But I don't want to spread mis-information or muddy the waters for that matter. I do select food-safe hose that is designed to take higher temps. Like those designed for beverage manufacturers. Oh one more point. BPA? I have quite using BPA water bottles. Does this apply too? So much for a cut and dry answer. ......

Oh and just one more thing. certain plastics leech, like say when you keep tomato sauce in a plastic container. Gosh, I keep coming back with more questions than Detective Columbo.

From what I've researched, it sounded like "leaching the plasticiser out" of the tubing. That may give you a good place to research further. If you do the small piece of tubing soak in ISO and it turns milky in color, I believe that's what's happening.

I've never washed out a whip. Did the ole rolling pin reclaim, then tossed it when I thought it was time.

I may just be paranoid, but if i'm inhaling through it, I don't want the chemical composition changed. That can bring a material from food-safe to not-so-safe. (melt a piece of food-grade plastic and you end up with chemicals. An extreme example, I know...)

 

[Creeper]

I've read ISO alcohol would degrade the Arizer PVC. Never tried it, but do advise you to cut a tiny piece off the end of the tubing and soak it in ISO as a test.

I wouldn't risk it. I know some have said certain types of whips were ok to soak or quickly rinse out, but in general, if it's not glass, I don't use ISO on it.

So that being said what would you recommend for PVC if I could kindly ask.

EDIT: missed the last 2 posts somehow, but I see my answer in them.

I will thumbs up Orange Cronic cleaner for glass, it's ISO and orange with probably some other doodads that is amazing non-diluted with glass. Was decent on metal screens but they had light usage. Also I store the used product as you can rewash components using it over and over again until it gets murky.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

From what I've researched, it sounded like "leaching the plasticiser out" of the tubing. That may give you a good place to research further. If you do the small piece of tubing soak in ISO and it turns milky in color, I believe that's what's happening.

I've never washed out a whip. Did the ole rolling pin reclaim, then tossed it when I thought it was time.

I may just be paranoid, but if i'm inhaling through it, I don't want the chemical composition changed. That can bring a material from food-safe to not-so-safe. (melt a piece of food-grade plastic and you end up with chemicals. An extreme example, I know...)

Ok, never had the milky in color thing happen with the stock EQ or silicone hose. But I already dismissed the visible test as being reliable alone, as a means to rule out all potential problems.
Or I'm nitpicking.

If you believe the text on the stock hose, it seems like they put a lot of thought into what they chose if that is some sort of indicator, anyway.
If I find out the best method cleaning method for that particular grade of hose, I'll definitely pass it on. But in short not all PVC is the same. We know more about that with BPA water bottles and types of plastic and how they break down. Like say the plastic resin codes meant for recycling.

If you are sort of worried, then don't use any type of ISO on any PVC or silicone until anything more conclusive comes along. Already have one angle for research. Medical grade plastic. That will keep me busy. Looking for answers.

Never hurts to play it safe. With using your rolling pin. @DDave, The paranoid thing with that method, If you see hairline cracks start to form in the PVC. That is another area of hazard IMHO.

 

[Creeper]

This is true, also tubing is relatively cheap so best probably to treat it as a consumable part for safeties sake and replace it when in doubt.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

This is true, also tubing is relatively cheap so best probably to treat it as a consumable part for safeties sake and replace it when in doubt.

Yea, the path of least resistance. Still glad we had the discussion. It made me re-access what might be the best tubing to start off with as a replacement. For now I'm betting it is silicone hose. But, here we go again, not all silicone hose is the same. Some are treated with peroxide or cured ....with .....zzzz.

God I need to turn that left side of my brain off before I put everybody to sleep. Now I know why I can't sleep sometimes.

I would google 'food grade high temp silicone hose' and settle for that. Throw it out when it starts to form hairline cracks. And be glad others are willing to geek out and find a more 'correct' method.

 

[hoptimum]

Yea, the path of least resistance. Still glad we had the discussion. It made me re-access what might be the best tubing to start off with as a replacement. For now I'm betting it is silicone hose. But, here we go again, not all silicone hose is the same. Some are treated with peroxide or cured ....with .....zzzz.

God I need to turn that left side of my brain off before I put everybody to sleep. Now I know why I can't sleep sometimes.

I would google 'food grade high temp silicone hose' and settle for that. Throw it out when it starts to form hairline cracks. And be glad others are willing to geek out and find a more 'correct' method.

I never liked the PVC. If you mod with the SSV wand, you can use SSV tubing, which is a form of silicone

 

[DDave]

If you mod with the SSV wand, you can use SSV tubing, which is a form of silicone

Did 7th floor change their tubing?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ssv-iso-wand-hash.8298/#post-330191

 

[hoptimum]

Did 7th floor change their tubing?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ssv-iso-wand-hash.8298/#post-330191

Its the same, as far as I know. I believe its a composite silicone, which tastes better to me than PVC. I've not noticed the tubing collecting much debris inside the tubing. It gets brown eventually and I just toss it. Theres not enough there for me to mess with, though others might disagree. For collecting purposes, I think the glass accumulates more resin. The elbows especially, but also the SSV wand. @Vitolo has some whip cleaning videos and ISO is not involved

 

[Dr. Soxhlet]

I've never washed out a whip. Did the ole rolling pin reclaim, then tossed it when I thought it was time.

I don't bother washing either. What I do is pull a suitably sized screw through the tube with a strand of wire. The reclaim is pulled through the tube this way. Doesn't get the tube completely clean, but the reclaim is ready to use.
The tube is good enough to use till that "honey" is nice and thick again.
The EQ can supply you with loads of "wand hash" like this.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

This says 'food grade vinyl tubing.' If you are referring to there replacement hose. It looks like it's selling point is more about the convenience factor then food safe. But IDK, Here is the blurb below. One of the options is clear tubing. Looked into it further online. I guess what 'is PVC' and what 'is Vinyl' overlap. Because there is different types of both. That type of distinction.
I did italicized where it mentioned being better that silicone.
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"This premium quality hose we offer is the best hose on the market. Made of food grade vinyl tubing, it is far better than silicon tubing because it does not collect all the dirt and oils from you hands. The hose is made just for us to give to you. It is made in 3/8 inch inner diameter so it can slip on and off your wand or any other accessories. Choose from Clear, Black, Blue, Green, Red, Magenta, Lime Green, Purple, and Yellow."

 

[kellya86]

What the only reason it's better is because dirt doesn't stick to the outside think I'll stick with my nice flexable silicone tube.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

What the only reason it's better is because dirt doesn't stick to the outside think I'll stick with my nice flexible silicone tube.

Not necessarily the only reason, but the only reason why it says it is the 'best hose on the market'. If the SSV doesn't heat up the tubing in any fashion, it might be the best choice for the SSV wand. Not knocking it at all. But with my EQ, heat can be a factor. So I choose 'food grade high temp silicone hose' rated at 500f (260C) to avoid conflating the matter. Plus it is pliable for other jobs. Like my silicone adapters.
This discussion has caused me to re-access all things tubing. Certain types of vinyl are used in medical equipment, which sounds better than say food-safe as an example. But that vinyl might not necessarily be heat resistant. So many distinctions that can be made.

I would google 'food grade high temp silicone hose' and settle for that. Throw it out when it starts to form hairline cracks. And be glad others are willing to geek out and find a more 'correct' method.

What I do is pull a suitably sized screw through the tube with a strand of wire.

Yea, that's what I got out of it so far including @Dr. Soxhlet's method of reclaim. (Thanks for the tip. @Dr. Soxhlet !) Then be extra thrifty and use @DDave's rolling pin method to squeeze that last bit, just before I throw it out.

 

[kellya86]

Has anyone here ever placed a thermocouple into the eq cyclone bowl, just above screen, where herb would be, to draw up a table of actual vaping temps for the eq. Would be nice to see how far off it is. Would need to be run through elbow and tube to produce equivalent results. And I think all eqs may be slightly different too. Also would need a table for ddave mod too. If this has been done can anyone point me in the right direction. If not I will do it.

 

[bella]

I just use liquid soap and water to clean tubing and follow up with a thorough water rinse. I use iso on pretty much everything else.

 

[Dr. Soxhlet]

I just use liquid soap and water to clean tubing and follow up with a thorough water rinse. I use iso on pretty much everything else.

Just ordered the complete Ddave Kit on ebay. Can't wait and I too undoubtedly will be dancing around the package when it gets here. !!

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Just ordered the complete Ddave Kit on ebay. Can't wait and I too undoubtedly will be dancing around the package when it gets here. !!

This one goes out to @Dr. Soxhlet proud owner of a new @DDave kit. Maestro please cue up 'Alley Cat' by Bent Fabric.
Anna One, Anna two.....

 

[DDave]

This one goes out to @Dr. Soxhlet proud owner of a new @DDave kit. Maestro please cue up 'Alley Cat' by Bent Fabric.
Anna One, Anna two.....

Oh My! I don't believe I just watched that! Hahaha

@CuckFumbustion , you never mentioned having a pony tail?

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Oh My! I don't believe I just watched that! Hahaha

@CuckFumbustion , you never mentioned having a pony tail?

Yea, I was going through my 'Chris Elliot doing a Marlon Brando impersonation phase.' Paul Shaffer would indulge me from time to time.

Still want to find the first clip where I saw Chris Elliot as himself doing nearly the same dance. Still scouring the web for that one. Most thought I was referring to this little guy below.
But whatever does it for you. It's all good.
It all started with a thread here at FC asking 'what do you first when you get a new vaporizer' or something. After giving a serious answer, I finished with 'I dance around the package when it arrives.' Then I remembered the David Letterman skit. 3 or more running jokes later. Others still thought it was the PBJT banana. Which was in a similar enough vein anyway. Had links to the skit. But still PBJT, PBJT, PBJT. Then today was the day for Chris to come out of hiding.

But if you buy a DDave kit, do what feels right, FCers. Just don't deny yourself that urge to do this or .
No matter how silly you think you look. Can't look any more ridiculous than Chris did.

 

[DDave]

I only went for the 30 quid kit so no wooden block. I'm sure it will be fine.
I know its just one of them things that can happen ordering anything from anywhere. I know its not ddave fault and this seems to be the first time he has had any issues. It's not even an issue anyway. Just a little delay.
When it arrives, I will use it, and as long as I like it (which I'm sure I will), I will order another kit and see how long that one takes.

@kellya86 Just checked USPS tracking and discovered....
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Your item was processed through a facility in UNITED KINGDOM on September 30, 2015 at 9:06 pm. The item is currently in transit to the destination.
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I believe in this case it may not be too early for a @CuckFumbustion arbitrary banana dance!

 

[TomC1315]

The short piece of hose that's used for filling bags on the EQ gets pretty darn warm when I vape a small amount (.1 - .15 gram) in the cyclone bowl with fan speed 1 ... I'm wondering if the 'food grade high temp silicone hose' that CuckFumbustion mentioned a few posts ago would be a worth while upgrade.

Does anyone know the inner diameter of the EQ's tubing?

 

[lazylathe]

@DDave
Your EQ kit just arrived!!
Testing to commence shortly!
Thank for the extras!!!

Stupid question time!!
Why are there two different sizes of your cyclone bowl?
I have a small one and a medium one, both shorter than the original bowl.

Also are the stems meant for direct draw or for connecting to the tubing?

If I missed the item description from an earlier post, would you just link me to it?

Just looking at the short bowl sitting on the EQ makes it look turbo charged all of a sudden!!

 

[DDave]

@DDave
Your EQ kit just arrived!!
Testing to commence shortly!
Thank for the extras!!!

Stupid question time!!
Why are there two different sizes of your cyclone bowl?
I have a small one and a medium one, both shorter than the original bowl.

Also are the stems meant for direct draw or for connecting to the tubing?

If I missed the item description from an earlier post, would you just link me to it?

Just looking at the short bowl sitting on the EQ makes it look turbo charged all of a sudden!!

@lazylathe

Glad to hear the kit's arrived!

Check out this link, specifically Power and Smooth sections for explanation of the various adapters...

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d...izer-eq-vtower-vapes.19018/page-2#post-845759

If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Looking forward to hearing how everything works for you!

Vape On!

 

[TomC1315]

lazylathe ... those are great questions - the same one's I've been wondering about.

Looking forward to DDave's or anyone else's responses and to reading lazyhlathe's results/opinions :-)

 

[DDave]

@DDave
Your EQ kit just arrived!!
Testing to commence shortly!
Thank for the extras!!!

Stupid question time!!
Why are there two different sizes of your cyclone bowl?
I have a small one and a medium one, both shorter than the original bowl.

Also are the stems meant for direct draw or for connecting to the tubing?

If I missed the item description from an earlier post, would you just link me to it?

Just looking at the short bowl sitting on the EQ makes it look turbo charged all of a sudden!!

Oops...

In regards to the stems (wands), you can direct draw, but don't recommend it. The opposite end from the ground glass joints don't get hot enough to burn, but the vapor will be hot!

The whip tube fits inside the wand. (can also go around the outside, but you have to be as strong as Superman or @Nugg!) You can cut it to the size you prefer.

The Arizer elbow fits nicely as well. So wand-whip tube-Arizer elbow-(your favorite water tool 18mm) make a sweet setup!